The eBay BS Game: Questionable items, Stephen King signatures, sellers

[andyg75]

How about this (https://www.ebay.com/itm/STEPHEN-KING-HAND-SIGNED-THE-GIRL-WHO-LOVED-TOM-GORDON-Paperback/392239330277?hash=item5b534933e5:g:ThUAAOSwU0hcV0y A&autorefresh=true) gem?

I’m on the fence...

This makes my eyes bleed 😳😳

[MikeDuke]

I saw a few more that were shall we say, questionable. It's like they aren't even trying anymore.

[darkseer]

All it takes is one sucker even at $75.00. Can't get over how some of these sellers still have a 100 % rating

[amd013]

Man thats so bad, even if you've never seen a SK signature, you should still know that's fake.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Ebayer selling junk:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Signed-First-Edition-The-Bazaar-Of-Bad-Dreams/113671015696?hash=item1a77520d10:g:N9MAAOSwJihcetf H

Mulleins

[MikeDuke]

Ebayer selling junk:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Signed-First-Edition-The-Bazaar-Of-Bad-Dreams/113671015696?hash=item1a77520d10:g:N9MAAOSwJihcetf H

Mulleins
Like I said, are they even trying anymore? It doesn't seem like that to me.

[sgc1999]

comments?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Owen-King-SIGNED-Sleeping-Beauties-HC-DJ-1st-VF-2017/113696315375?epid=237594821&hash=item1a78d417ef:g:LeMAAOSwuXxcl1Vj

[jsmcmullen92]

comments?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Owen-King-SIGNED-Sleeping-Beauties-HC-DJ-1st-VF-2017/113696315375?epid=237594821&hash=item1a78d417ef:g:LeMAAOSwuXxcl1VjThe fact that it is remaindered makes me think no good. If you had one or the other sigs possibly, but how do you manage to get both sigs on a book that was after all the tours on a remainder shelf.

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[HONKYTONKSMASH]

comments?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Owen-King-SIGNED-Sleeping-Beauties-HC-DJ-1st-VF-2017/113696315375?epid=237594821&hash=item1a78d417ef:g:LeMAAOSwuXxcl1Vj

That one is garbage

[Cook]

comments?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Owen-King-SIGNED-Sleeping-Beauties-HC-DJ-1st-VF-2017/113696315375?epid=237594821&hash=item1a78d417ef:g:LeMAAOSwuXxcl1VjThe fact that it is remaindered makes me think no good. If you had one or the other sigs possibly, but how do you manage to get both sigs on a book that was after all the tours on a remainder shelf.

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Owen's signature is very real, King's ???
I wouldn't own it.

[amd013]

Ok I won this auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/stephen-king-under-the-dome-uk-version-signed-and-numbered/173832955880?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

There is no mention of any defects, and he only provides picture of one side of the slipcase. But when I get it I see these defects on the other side:

Scuff Marks:
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/utd_defect1.jpg

Major bumped corner:

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/utd_defect2.jpg

Just notice the seller does not offer returns. So what is the best course of action? Do I ask for a return anyway? Or ask for a partial refund or just open a complaint with ebay?

[lotuz]

eBay's Money Back Guarantee states the following:


If the item you received doesn't match the description in the original listing, or if it arrived faulty or damaged, you're covered under the eBay Money Back Guarantee. You can return it even if the seller's returns policy says they don't accept returns.

I think you would have a good reason to straight up return the item, making the case that it "arrived faulty or damaged." I'm not an eBay expert, so this is just what I would do. Others should weigh in as well...

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Ok I won this auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/stephen-king-under-the-dome-uk-version-signed-and-numbered/173832955880?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

There is no mention of any defects, and he only provides picture of one side of the slipcase. But when I get it I see these defects on the other side:

Scuff Marks:
http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/utd_defect1.jpg

Major bumped corner:

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/utd_defect2.jpg

Just notice the seller does not offer returns. So what is the best course of action? Do I ask for a return anyway? Or ask for a partial refund or just open a complaint with ebay?

Yeah id definitely get a return..even if he doesnt offer them..This guy has been trying to sell all this stuff on fb at silly prices while being extremely vague on condition


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[Randall Flagg]

Contact the seller via the resolution center and request a return as the book has damage that wasn't disclosed. Attach the pics of damage to the request. If he declines, escalate the request (ebay/PP will give the buyer a little time to respond, so be patient), ultimately, ebay will very likely rule in your favor, and likely even issue a return shipping label.

[amd013]

Thanks everyone for the advise. Will do as RF suggests.

[amd013]

Thanks everyone for the advise. Will do as RF suggests.

Ok, he has offered a partial refund, and it sounds like he will accept the return if I go that route. I have until Sunday to decide. He has offered a $50 refund, so that would make the cost $250.

I am not a stickler about having no defects in my books, but if there are defects I prefer to know ahead of time so I can make a decision if it is worth it or not. This book, isn't exactly a needful thing for me, so having a pristine copy is not a big deal, but if I am accepting a defect want to make sure I am paying a reasonable price.

So what do you think, is $250 a reasonable cost given the defects?

Thanks,
Mike

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Thanks everyone for the advise. Will do as RF suggests.

Ok, he has offered a partial refund, and it sounds like he will accept the return if I go that route. I have until Sunday to decide. He has offered a $50 refund, so that would make the cost $250.

I am not a stickler about having no defects in my books, but if there are defects I prefer to know ahead of time so I can make a decision if it is worth it or not. This book, isn't exactly a needful thing for me, so having a pristine copy is not a big deal, but if I am accepting a defect want to make sure I am paying a reasonable price.

So what do you think, is $250 a reasonable cost given the defects?

Thanks,
Mike

There’s definitely more than $50 worth of damage there IMO. I wouldnt pay 250 for it in the current condition


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[Brian861]

Thanks everyone for the advise. Will do as RF suggests.

Ok, he has offered a partial refund, and it sounds like he will accept the return if I go that route. I have until Sunday to decide. He has offered a $50 refund, so that would make the cost $250.

I am not a stickler about having no defects in my books, but if there are defects I prefer to know ahead of time so I can make a decision if it is worth it or not. This book, isn't exactly a needful thing for me, so having a pristine copy is not a big deal, but if I am accepting a defect want to make sure I am paying a reasonable price.

So what do you think, is $250 a reasonable cost given the defects?

Thanks,
Mike

It'd bug the hell of me, Mike. But as long as you're good with it, is all that matters.

Edit: Chad makes a good point as well.

[Randall Flagg]

Counter offer for a $75 rebate.
Be polite, but clear that if not $75 , you respectfully would want to return the book.

[Randall Flagg]

If the signature doesn't fit, walk away and quit:


Stephen King SIGNED The Dark Tower: Song of Susannah 1st Edition Softcover Book

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-SIGNED-The-Dark-Tower-Song-of-Susannah-1st-Edition-Softcover-Book/254186713422?hash=item3b2eb5714e:g:FPEAAOSwJihco-js)$5.50
Apr-2 15:584 bids
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[Room 217 Caretaker]

Exactly! "When in doubt, don't pull the money out"

Mulleins

[St. Troy]

When it sucks, hold onto your bucks...

[jsmcmullen92]

When it sucks, hold onto your bucks...

Unless it's a woman... sorry couldn't resist

[Br!an]

If it's shit, don't buy it.

[Randall Flagg]

If the sig looks weird...


keep your money under your beard

[Stockerlone]

What do you think ???
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Q3sAAOSwJ85cpmPz/s-l1600.jpg

[The Library Policeman]

Not keen on that one, Frank.

[frik]

A "NO" from me as well, Frank.

sk

[Merlin1958]

If the signature doesn't fit, walk away and quit:


Stephen King SIGNED The Dark Tower: Song of Susannah 1st Edition Softcover Book

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-SIGNED-The-Dark-Tower-Song-of-Susannah-1st-Edition-Softcover-Book/254186713422?hash=item3b2eb5714e:g:FPEAAOSwJihco-js)$5.50
Apr-2 15:584 bids
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Exactly! "When in doubt, don't pull the money out"

Mulleins


When it sucks, hold onto your bucks...



When it sucks, hold onto your bucks...

Unless it's a woman... sorry couldn't resist


If it's shit, don't buy it.


If the sig looks weird...


keep your money under your beard

Ahhh, so everybody is a fucking poet these days, huh? lol lol


If you do not already know it, you're likely not a fucking poet, you self deluded cretins!!!! lol

[Brian861]

Pure sweetness right here, ladies and gents:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Peter-Straub-Signed-Black-House-/372635176576?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Pure sweetness right here, ladies and gents:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Peter-Straub-Signed-Black-House-/372635176576?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

hahahaha....OK, he wins the BS trophy today. Wow, pathetic!

Mulleins

[Phalucha]

[QUOTE=Brian861;1144044]Pure sweetness right here, ladies and gents:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Peter-Straub-Signed-Black-House-/372635176576?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

hahahaha....OK, he wins the BS trophy today. Wow, pathetic!

He even changed pens for added authenticity

[wizardsrainbow]

[QUOTE=Brian861;1144044]Pure sweetness right here, ladies and gents:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Peter-Straub-Signed-Black-House-/372635176576?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

hahahaha....OK, he wins the BS trophy today. Wow, pathetic!

He even changed pens for added authenticity

King sig is awful and a forgery...pretty sure Straub sig is legit...and a lot of people do not know this, but Black House 1st editions only have a number line that ends in 2 (like this auction picture), and says First Trade Edition underneath.

[stm08007]

https://imgur.com/z19f3Xl
https://imgur.com/z19f3Xl

thoughts on this one? if not, why not? (I'm very much a novice!)

[Br!an]

https://imgur.com/z19f3Xl
https://imgur.com/z19f3Xl

thoughts on this one? if not, why not? (I'm very much a novice!)

I'm going with no. Seek other opinions.

A tiny picture without context doesn't help either.

[Randall Flagg]

Probably legit, but as mentioned a picture with context would help.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Not only is this BS the items this seller has sold is also:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-HAND-SIGNED-Pet-Sematary-1st-Edition-Print-Excellent-Condition/254205094754?hash=item3b2fcdeb62:g:AtkAAOSwevtcugE 4

Mulleins

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Wouldnt touch it..its no bueno


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[Munnecom]

What about this one (https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dark-Tower-The-Drawing-of-the-Three-Signed-By-Stephen-King/202658606112?epid=1263020&hash=item2f2f64ec20:g:pq0AAOSw1wBcu7it)? Phil Hale’s inscription and signature look good to me, but I don’t like the “King” part of SK’s signature.

I am far from an expert though...

[Brian861]

What about this one (https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dark-Tower-The-Drawing-of-the-Three-Signed-By-Stephen-King/202658606112?epid=1263020&hash=item2f2f64ec20:g:pq0AAOSw1wBcu7it)? Phil Hale’s inscription and signature look good to me, but I don’t like the “King” part of SK’s signature.

I am far from an expert though...

No expect here either but, that one looks an easy no.

[peripheral]

No bueno...

[Randall Flagg]

Hale probably good, King is no bueno.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

While that sig looks like total ass..it was from that member with other personalized sigs..this DOTT and Wastelands were from his collection (through fb and now ebay)

[TnTzDad]

Honkytonk is correct. This is the same Paul that sold to so many of us within the last few weeks. His last name is shown both listings. Hard to believe he'd be listing with fake sigs.

[webstar1000]

While that sig looks like total ass..it was from that member with other personalized sigs..this DOTT and Wastelands were from his collection (through fb and now ebay)

Yep. 100%


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[Randall Flagg]

Canadian 3rd print. Thus not worth much at all:
STEPHEN KING RICHARD BACHMAN "THE LONG WALK" UNREAD FIRST PRINTING SEE BELOW

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/STEPHEN-KING-RICHARD-BACHMAN-THE-LONG-WALK-UNREAD-FIRST-PRINTING-SEE-BELOW/163666425996?hash=item261b47788c:g:VnMAAOSw4ARcww0 4)$200.00
Apr-26 06:530 bids
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[Randall Flagg]

Plain old crap:


The Dark Half HAND SIGNED by Stephen King FIRST PRINT Hardcover Book

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dark-Half-HAND-SIGNED-by-Stephen-King-FIRST-PRINT-Hardcover-Book/273842544917?hash=item3fc249a115:g:ZOsAAOSw7Wxc12y c)$102.50
May-11 17:4619 bids
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[darkseer]

Plain old crap:


The Dark Half HAND SIGNED by Stephen King FIRST PRINT Hardcover Book

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dark-Half-HAND-SIGNED-by-Stephen-King-FIRST-PRINT-Hardcover-Book/273842544917?hash=item3fc249a115:g:ZOsAAOSw7Wxc12y c)$102.50
May-11 17:4619 bids
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Looks like someone was drinking too much coffee that day :emot-roflolmao:

[Randall Flagg]

What a fucking moron.


First Addition Carrie By Stephen King. Only Opened To Take Picture.

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/First-Addition-Carrie-By-Stephen-King-Only-Opened-To-Take-Picture/352662866798?hash=item521c584b6e:g:5Y0AAOSwp4pc2Pl K)Brand New
$3,000.00
May-13 10:030 bids
or Best Offer
+$2.75 shipping

[kingfan2323]

keep up the great work, guys! OH. . . and always some good laughs on this thread.

[Brian861]

What a fucking moron.


First Addition Carrie By Stephen King. Only Opened To Take Picture.

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/First-Addition-Carrie-By-Stephen-King-Only-Opened-To-Take-Picture/352662866798?hash=item521c584b6e:g:5Y0AAOSwp4pc2Pl K)Brand New
$3,000.00
May-13 10:030 bids
or Best Offer
+$2.75 shipping

Addition :wtf:

[amd013]

What a fucking moron.


First Addition Carrie By Stephen King. Only Opened To Take Picture.

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/First-Addition-Carrie-By-Stephen-King-Only-Opened-To-Take-Picture/352662866798?hash=item521c584b6e:g:5Y0AAOSwp4pc2Pl K)Brand New
$3,000.00
May-13 10:030 bids
or Best Offer
+$2.75 shipping

Well, in his defense he never claimed it was a first Edition. Personally, I am holding out for a 1st subtraction. :)

[Randall Flagg]

Well, in his defense he never claimed it was a first Edition. Personally, I am holding out for a 1st subtraction. :)
Would that be thus worth less...?

[Randall Flagg]

I hate felt pens...they stink...


STEPHEN KING SIGNED 'THE OUTSIDER' 1st EDITION/1st PRINTING HARDCOVER BOOK w/COA

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-THE-OUTSIDER-1st-EDITION-1st-PRINTING-HARDCOVER-BOOK-w-COA/183811308935?hash=item2acc01fd87:g:50oAAOSw~Ndc2v1 F)Brand New
$1,599.99
May-14 10:40or Best Offer
+$19.05 shipping


https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/50oAAOSw~Ndc2v1F/s-l225.jpg

[Lot guy]

I hate felt pens...they stink...


STEPHEN KING SIGNED 'THE OUTSIDER' 1st EDITION/1st PRINTING HARDCOVER BOOK w/COA

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-THE-OUTSIDER-1st-EDITION-1st-PRINTING-HARDCOVER-BOOK-w-COA/183811308935?hash=item2acc01fd87:g:50oAAOSw~Ndc2v1 F)Brand New
$1,599.99
May-14 10:40or Best Offer
+$19.05 shipping


https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/50oAAOSw~Ndc2v1F/s-l225.jpg

Saw this get signed, definitely legit. For some reason a guy pulled out a sharpie for an IT mask to get signed and he continued using it for the half dozen books he signed.

[Garrell]

I am putting "greyfell art and books" on Ebay on the avoid list. He does custom slipcases. First one was damaged (by USPS?) and he aid he would replace it, didn't happen and no response since. Before I received the damaged case, I also had ordered a case to be built for Needful Things. Case arrives and is too small. Gave him positive feedback anyway and was willing to just eat the lose on it. Spent $140+ on 2 cases and have crap to show for it. Hate that because I was looking forward to several more purchases from him but I will no longer consider him a source for slipcases.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

I am putting "greyfell art and books" on Ebay on the avoid list. He does custom slipcases. First one was damaged (by USPS?) and he aid he would replace it, didn't happen and no response since. Before I received the damaged case, I also had ordered a case to be built for Needful Things. Case arrives and is too small. Gave him positive feedback anyway and was willing to just eat the lose on it. Spent $140+ on 2 cases and have crap to show for it. Hate that because I was looking forward to several more purchases from him but I will no longer consider him a source for slipcases.

Yeah hes been discussed here quite a bit...his sigs are also questionable at best (i wouldnt touch them)

[Munnecom]

Take a look at this beauty (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Geralds-Game-1st-edition-Signed-by-Stephen-King-1992-Hardcover/254238831957?epid=920879&hash=item3b31d0b555:g:kDAAAOSwJHJc5BPZ) in “very good” condition!

[Phalucha]

What do collectors think about the signed dust-jackets listed a few days ago?

[Garrell]

I didn’t really care if they were legit. They were too hard to see for the most part.

[Randall Flagg]

Worthless.

[Randall Flagg]

Not worth $1:


Stephen King -flat-SIGNED-MISERY-1st ed HC w DJ VG/NF

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-flat-SIGNED-MISERY-1st-ed-HC-w-DJ-VG-NF/293099934417?hash=item443e1e12d1:g:n~EAAOSwO1Fc5ee C)$275.00
May-22 17:26or Best Offer
+$4.00 shipping

[Phalucha]

Worthless.

Thanks for input.

[Garrell]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190603/a0c431be63535d447b7ce02f4b5a6102.jpg
Saw this Pet Semetary on eBay. Signed, only $400. Lol


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[Tommy]

Can't get these to show up on the thread for some reason but opinions anyone? Thanks


http://i.imgur.com/3X0F4aE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4KuCi7b.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fLHyZdl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LwawncO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wOwwIHx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Xh2eVUq.jpg

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Can't get these to show up on the thread for some reason but opinions anyone? Thanks


http://i.imgur.com/3X0F4aE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4KuCi7b.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fLHyZdl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LwawncO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wOwwIHx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Xh2eVUq.jpg

No bueno


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[tippy4]

I had to really look at them.......they look good at first glance......but I believe I see hesitation marks.

[webstar1000]

Yeah they look real good. I am apt to lean to yes... do you have pics with more light?

[Tommy]

Yeah they look real good. I am apt to lean to yes... do you have pics with more light?

I can post some more late tonight.

[Ari_Racing]

11/22/63 seem real to me. The other ones I have some doubts.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

11/22/63 seem real to me. The other ones I have some doubts.

I agree with what Ari posted. I think 11/22/63 is a legit signature. Not convinced on the others.

Mulleins

[Garrell]

11/22/63 seem real to me. The other ones I have some doubts.

Same thoughts

[tippy4]

I think the are both good....

[Garrell]

The tops of the K on TCOTW look iffy to me

[OneFathom]

Without hesitation —*both FAKE. Wouldn't touch either one of them. Just another half-ass botch job. Please do not buy these books.

[webstar1000]

Without hesitation —*both FAKE. Wouldn't touch either one of them. Just another half-ass botch job. Please do not buy these books.

They are definitely not half assed botch jobs. This guy is good..... and I bet you good enough to fool a good many people.


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[Tommy]

Without hesitation —*both FAKE. Wouldn't touch either one of them. Just another half-ass botch job. Please do not buy these books.

I had no intention of selling them.

[peripheral]

A local (well, New Zealand, so more local to Jimi) bookseller of good reputation has received a significant collection of King from a deceased estate, and this item was among it. He is wondering about the authenticity of this inscription. I've provided my own opinion, but he was interested to see a consensus of opinions from some of the collectors on here, before deciding to list the book in his inventory. I will provide the seller the link to this thread.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/Screen_Shot_2019-06-18_at_8_41_46_am.png

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Nope

[webstar1000]

Not even close for me!


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[Room 217 Caretaker]

No sir!

Mulleins

[Garrell]

No x4

[Randall Flagg]

Sadly, not legit. Not even close.

[surly]

I'm not sure how many opinions are required for a consensus, but allow me to add to the chorus: big no.

[peripheral]

Thanks so much, everyone. Very helpful. Cheers

[Stockerlone]

2x SK signatures......

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAyNFg2OTI=/z/kpwAAOSwJ2pb5vGS/$_72.JPG

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cMIAAOSwVLVdDpz6/s-l300.jpg

[Randall Flagg]

Just doesn't work:
SIGNED Stephen King -THE EYES OF THE DRAGON 1st Ed/ HCwDJ- VG/VG

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/SIGNED-Stephen-King-THE-EYES-OF-THE-DRAGON-1st-Ed-HCwDJ-VG-VG/293131145773?hash=item443ffa522d:g:viAAAOSwCo1c5el o)$179.00
Jun-23 20:220 bids
$370.00
Buy It Now
+$4.00 shipping

[knightmare]

This look legit to you guys?

http://i68.tinypic.com/nqv1mt.png

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

This look legit to you guys?

http://i68.tinypic.com/nqv1mt.png

Yep


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[knightmare]

This look legit to you guys?

http://i68.tinypic.com/nqv1mt.png

Yep


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Thank you!

[knightmare]

Any Thomas Harris fans have an opinion on this? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190704/8379e2cb120b4722ca7b2d9403b12c5f.jpg

seeking: ANYTHING DT related #246
Ready Plyer One Sub Press S/L

Yes from me, had 4-5 I know were right through my hands. Not a professional, though.

[Randall Flagg]

This look legit to you guys?

http://i68.tinypic.com/nqv1mt.png
Typical contemporary cramped King sig. Not pretty, but legit.

[knightmare]

This look legit to you guys?

http://i68.tinypic.com/nqv1mt.png
Typical contemporary cramped King sig. Not pretty, but legit.




Any Thomas Harris fans have an opinion on this? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190704/8379e2cb120b4722ca7b2d9403b12c5f.jpg

seeking: ANYTHING DT related #246
Ready Plyer One Sub Press S/L

Yes from me, had 4-5 I know were right through my hands. Not a professional, though.Thanks a lot for the response. Far from expert too. Well we know the limited edition below is real and I know they change but man. Not very close as far as individual letters, ect. Shit idk. Ha! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190704/dc487bf73a2ab3c872193c28d668866d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190704/2c640972c55e54852c1de394ceb7f87d.jpg

seeking: ANYTHING DT related #246
Ready Plyer One Sub Press S/L

Is that SubPress lettered SotL? :)

[lotuz]

Any Thomas Harris fans have an opinion on this? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190704/8379e2cb120b4722ca7b2d9403b12c5f.jpg

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I have three Harris signatures in front of me, and none are 100% consistent with those. Two distinct differences: all of mine have loops in the top of the "h" in Thomas that do not connect to the "T", and the "H" in Harris has a single crosswise line and is not attached to the "a".

HOWEVER - all of mine are in signed, limited editions with tipped in sheets, so he was signing them on a flat surface and presumably in no hurry. Until Cari Mora his signature was legendarily scarce, and so I haven't purchased any verified "wild" signatures. Perhaps this is one of those. If knightmare has seen such signatures, he might be the one to defer to in this case!

[knightmare]

This look legit to you guys?

http://i68.tinypic.com/nqv1mt.png
Typical contemporary cramped King sig. Not pretty, but legit.



Any Thomas Harris fans have an opinion on this? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190704/8379e2cb120b4722ca7b2d9403b12c5f.jpg

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I have three Harris signatures in front of me, and none are 100% consistent with those. Two distinct differences: all of mine have loops in the top of the "h" in Thomas that do not connect to the "T", and the "H" in Harris has a single crosswise line and is not attached to the "a".

HOWEVER - all of mine are in signed, limited editions with tipped in sheets, so he was signing them on a flat surface and presumably in no hurry. Until Cari Mora his signature was legendarily scarce, and so I haven't purchased any verified "wild" signatures. Perhaps this is one of those. If knightmare has seen such signatures, he might be the one to defer to in this case!

Please don’t defer to me. It’s a good point about scarcity and I just used a mental image of what I always considered a fairly simple sig. that’s very good input...

[Randall Flagg]

FYI, we are a Stephen King concentrated site. I don't want to have people posting and soliciting opinions on signatures from other authors (except for perhaps Richard Bachman).

[jsmcmullen92]

Any Thomas Harris fans have an opinion on this? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190704/8379e2cb120b4722ca7b2d9403b12c5f.jpg

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[kingfan2323]

FYI, we are a Stephen King concentrated site. I don't want to have people posting and soliciting opinions on signatures from other authors (except for perhaps Richard Bachman).

Deleted my posts. Sorry.

[Randall Flagg]

FYI, we are a Stephen King concentrated site. I don't want to have people posting and soliciting opinions on signatures from other authors (except for perhaps Richard Bachman).

Deleted my posts. Sorry.
I don't wish to delete them, I just want going forward to concentrate (in this thread) primarily on Stephen King. We have a "Other authors" section on the site, and perhaps questions should be posted there.

[kingfan2323]

FYI, we are a Stephen King concentrated site. I don't want to have people posting and soliciting opinions on signatures from other authors (except for perhaps Richard Bachman).

Deleted my posts. Sorry.
I don't wish to delete them, I just want going forward to concentrate (in this thread) primarily on Stephen King. We have a "Other authors" section on the site, and perhaps questions should be posted there.Totally agree. Didn't realize how badly I was going to derail the thread. Ha! No biggie.

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[knightmare]

Thoughts? Looks rough to me, but I’m just learning

http://i67.tinypic.com/2rxv0ig.jpg

[peripheral]

It’s good :thumbsup:

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Yep, bueno :thumbsup:

[knightmare]

Well thanks! Bought it then...

[tippy4]

I had an offer in to the guy for $125...shoulda pulled the trigger at $150.

[knightmare]

I had an offer in to the guy for $125...shoulda pulled the trigger at $150.

tippy, how many of those Suntup Misery gift editions do you have to sell for $175?

[tippy4]

I think I am down to two.

[knightmare]

Okay, another one for you guys consideration:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mxr728.png

Thanks again

[OneFathom]

Okay, another one for you guys consideration:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mxr728.png

Thanks again

Also trash. Both are fake.

[knightmare]

Okay, another one for you guys consideration:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mxr728.png

Thanks again

Also trash. Both are fake.

Okay thanks, could you tell me why you think so. Which part, I’d like to be able to start recognizing this on my own.

[Randall Flagg]

Every letter in that one is bad.

[knightmare]

Okay, another one for you guys consideration:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2mxr728.png

Thanks again

Also trash. Both are fake.

Okay thanks, could you tell me why you think so. Which part, I’d like to be able to start recognizing this on my own.

This seller, primusfan1, actually harassed me about not wanting a fake signature:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-Misery-SIGNED-1st-printing-PSA-DNA/223580060476?hash=item340e68fb3c:g:EXkAAOSwV79dGdF v

They paid PSA to look at their auction and it says it's "likely genuine" which does NOT sound like a ringing endorsement.

They said I shouldn't buy things I can't afford, I referred them to my store.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Yeah he has sold a few "questionable"(fake) sigs in the past....PSA brings this quote to mind "If you want me to take a dump in a box, and mark it guaranteed I will... I've got spare time"

[Randall Flagg]

When it comes to verifying items signed by Stephen King, a PSA is almost always worthless, and occasionally worse than that. Putting a sticker in a valuable book is a detriment.



It's free, and we don't always agree, but a person should just come here for valued opinions.

[knightmare]

When it comes to verifying items signed by Stephen King, a PSA is almost always worthless, and occasionally worse than that. Putting a sticker in a valuable book is a detriment.



It's free, and we don't always agree, but a person should just come here for valued opinions.

Right, PSA will pass virtually anything in that initial process and aren't much good past that. He will get a closer look at his listings by the fraud department now. That's one great thing about an anchor store is the full on merchant support vs. the call and talk to an ebay bot

[Johnny007]

With the tdt.org as an asset for legitimate signatures, it doesn't make any sense to rely on opinions from PSA, etc. for authenticity. I will never hold a signed SK book with a certificate from one of those organizations.

John

[knightmare]

With the tdt.org as an asset for legitimate signatures, it doesn't make any sense to rely on opinions from PSA, etc. for authenticity. I will never hold a signed SK book with a certificate from one of those organizations.

John

I know I'm enjoying the services :)

[knightmare]

A new one, I know greyfell has some questionable stuff so I’ll start here:

http://i65.tinypic.com/xf426s.jpg

[OneFathom]

A new one, I know greyfell has some questionable stuff so I’ll start here:

http://i65.tinypic.com/xf426s.jpg

Greyfell's stuff is trash. Do not entertain any of its listings, no matter how good the prices seem.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Yep^

Definitely avoid

[knightmare]

A new one, I know greyfell has some questionable stuff so I’ll start here:

http://i65.tinypic.com/xf426s.jpg

Greyfell's stuff is trash. Do not entertain any of its listings, no matter how good the prices seem.

So this is graded as fake?

[Randall Flagg]

IMO, the image is too blurry to say anything but no.
If it isn't clear, do not endear.

[webstar1000]

Grey fell is total
Slime. Do not buy nothing from that loser.

[knightmare]

I’m gonna buy it and send it to JSA. Maybe they can get their come uppins if it’s fake

[Lot guy]

There are some legit Viking bookplates like this, I purchased one from an ex Viking employee, this one is too blurry to tell

[knightmare]

Agreed, it was the only picture in the listing. If it passes then there’s a JSA cert which makes it easier to sell, although I’ve been hoping for a Needul Things....they listed it as “Needless Things”

[tippy4]

Signed Lisey's Story (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-LISEYS-STORY-Scribner-2006-1st-HC-DJ-SIGNED/133107942107?hash=item1efdda02db:g:zH8AAOSwVEJdJTF x)

Crap Sandwich

[Terrymorton]

I’ve purchased a lot of slipcases from greyfell. From all the feedback you guys given I’m starting to wonder if they are really made of acid free/archival material. Can anyone ease my mind?

[amd013]

Signed Lisey's Story (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-LISEYS-STORY-Scribner-2006-1st-HC-DJ-SIGNED/133107942107?hash=item1efdda02db:g:zH8AAOSwVEJdJTF x)

Crap Sandwich

And the signature looks bad too! :wink:

[knightmare]

Signed Lisey's Story (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-LISEYS-STORY-Scribner-2006-1st-HC-DJ-SIGNED/133107942107?hash=item1efdda02db:g:zH8AAOSwVEJdJTF x)

Crap Sandwich

Yeah, I can see ones like that where it's obviously a labored signature. The details, though, I'm still learning.

[tippy4]

And here is a crap salad to go wth the above crap sandwich:

Signed Regulators (https://www.ebay.com/itm/STEPHEN-KING-signed-hardcover-THE-REGULATORS-first-printing-1996-JSA-PSA-10/333263458479?hash=item4d980cd0af:g:C1cAAOSwTs5dJoi 5)

[kingfan2323]

And here is a crap salad to go wth the above crap sandwich:

Signed Regulators (https://www.ebay.com/itm/STEPHEN-KING-signed-hardcover-THE-REGULATORS-first-printing-1996-JSA-PSA-10/333263458479?hash=item4d980cd0af:g:C1cAAOSwTs5dJoi 5)Sounds like a crappy Lunch! What is the giveaway on this one, Tippy?

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[tippy4]

As forgeries go it's not bad....but a forgery nonetheless.

The slant is wrong.

[Randall Flagg]

Not saying it's fake, but a very odd signature and date.


Signed Stephen King First Edition 1991 The Waste Lands Dark Tower III HC w/DJ

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Signed-Stephen-King-First-Edition-1991-The-Waste-Lands-Dark-Tower-III-HC-w-DJ/293152609847?hash=item444141d637:g:Y74AAOSwy9hdK9L N)Pre-Owned
$107.50
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[knightmare]

Thoughts?

https://pic8.co/sh/tTyx87.png

[frik]

Thoughts?

https://pic8.co/sh/tTyx87.png

Bad - very bad!

sk

[webstar1000]

Thoughts?

https://pic8.co/sh/tTyx87.png

NONONONONONONONONON

[knightmare]

Thoughts?

https://pic8.co/sh/tTyx87.png

NONONONONONONONONON

I'm thinking you guys think it's bad. Thanks :)

[Randall Flagg]

No bueno!

[knightmare]

Okay, here's another...they also took a massive lowball offer from me which is a bad sign:

http://i68.tinypic.com/2d7u2a9.png

[Randall Flagg]

Pass.

[knightmare]

They do have a good reputation at least:

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=alice738&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560&rt=nc&iid=143330043204&sspagename=VIP%3Afeedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

You pass because you're sure it's fake or just not worth the risk?

[webstar1000]

They do have a good reputation at least:

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=alice738&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560&rt=nc&iid=143330043204&sspagename=VIP%3Afeedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

You pass because you're sure it's fake or just not worth the risk?

Its fake.

[knightmare]

All I need, I'll let them know it's time to cancel the transaction

[Randall Flagg]

They do have a good reputation at least:

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=alice738&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560&rt=nc&iid=143330043204&sspagename=VIP%3Afeedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

You pass because you're sure it's fake or just not worth the risk?

Pass is a nice way of saying it's fake.

[Randall Flagg]

Not saying it's fake, but a very odd signature and date.


Signed Stephen King First Edition 1991 The Waste Lands Dark Tower III HC w/DJ

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Signed-Stephen-King-First-Edition-1991-The-Waste-Lands-Dark-Tower-III-HC-w-DJ/293152609847?hash=item444141d637:g:Y74AAOSwy9hdK9L N)Pre-Owned
$107.50
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Still interested in thoughts on this.

[The Library Policeman]

Not saying it's fake, but a very odd signature and date.


Signed Stephen King First Edition 1991 The Waste Lands Dark Tower III HC w/DJ

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Signed-Stephen-King-First-Edition-1991-The-Waste-Lands-Dark-Tower-III-HC-w-DJ/293152609847?hash=item444141d637:g:Y74AAOSwy9hdK9L N)Pre-Owned
$107.50
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Still interested in thoughts on this.

That looks legit to me. As if King was cramped for space - but legit.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Not saying it's fake, but a very odd signature and date.


Signed Stephen King First Edition 1991 The Waste Lands Dark Tower III HC w/DJ

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Signed-Stephen-King-First-Edition-1991-The-Waste-Lands-Dark-Tower-III-HC-w-DJ/293152609847?hash=item444141d637:g:Y74AAOSwy9hdK9L N)Pre-Owned
$107.50
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Still interested in thoughts on this.

I thinks its legit; couple of their other ones are also odd...The GG looks fine, the Needful is indeed odd...All "Joseph" sigs..Yeah im good with them

[Br!an]

Not saying it's fake, but a very odd signature and date.


Signed Stephen King First Edition 1991 The Waste Lands Dark Tower III HC w/DJ

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Signed-Stephen-King-First-Edition-1991-The-Waste-Lands-Dark-Tower-III-HC-w-DJ/293152609847?hash=item444141d637:g:Y74AAOSwy9hdK9L N)Pre-Owned
$107.50
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Still interested in thoughts on this.

I don't like it.

Too much strangeness. He might have signed it while drunk. :orely:

[knightmare]

Not saying it's fake, but a very odd signature and date.


Signed Stephen King First Edition 1991 The Waste Lands Dark Tower III HC w/DJ

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Signed-Stephen-King-First-Edition-1991-The-Waste-Lands-Dark-Tower-III-HC-w-DJ/293152609847?hash=item444141d637:g:Y74AAOSwy9hdK9L N)Pre-Owned
$107.50
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Still interested in thoughts on this.

For my purposes if it's fake feel free to not be nice...

[knightmare]

Another for consideration:

http://i67.tinypic.com/o86tqs.png

[peripheral]

I think that the Waste Lands is legit, despite the funky “S”. The American Short stories is legit.

[Br!an]

Not saying it's fake, but a very odd signature and date.


Signed Stephen King First Edition 1991 The Waste Lands Dark Tower III HC w/DJ

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/Signed-Stephen-King-First-Edition-1991-The-Waste-Lands-Dark-Tower-III-HC-w-DJ/293152609847?hash=item444141d637:g:Y74AAOSwy9hdK9L N)Pre-Owned
$107.50
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Still interested in thoughts on this.

For my purposes if it's fake feel free to not be nice...

Judging signatures is more art than science. At least when done from online pics.

Some forgeries look "good" and some legit signatures appear sketchy. If there is any real doubt then I don't find it worth the risk. Sometimes I'll say it's fake and sometimes I'll be a little less sure and say I don't like it.

Some forgery sellers also sell legit signatures. If they offer and then defend anything questionable, I don't buy anything from them. If they pull the questionable item, they could be legit with a bad item.

[Br!an]

I think that the Waste Lands is legit, despite the funky “S”. The American Short stories is legit.

Would you want to own the Waste Lands though?

The Short Stories looks good.

[knightmare]

Once again, thank you for the expertise gentlemen & women....

[knightmare]

Okay this looks like garbage to me...am I wrong?

http://i67.tinypic.com/2cwlcp1.png

[Randall Flagg]

Another for consideration:

http://i67.tinypic.com/o86tqs.png
Too ugly and cramped to be fake.
Legit

[Br!an]

Okay this looks like garbage to me...am I wrong?

http://i67.tinypic.com/2cwlcp1.png

Too right.

[peripheral]

I think that the Waste Lands is legit, despite the funky “S”. The American Short stories is legit.

Would you want to own the Waste Lands though?

The Short Stories looks good.

Excellent question: No... Not typical enough of his sig.

[Stockerlone]

Is this a SK signature from the 1980's ?

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Mzk0WDYxMQ==/z/x6gAAOSwnhldLky2/$_72.JPG

[frik]

Is this a SK signature from the 1980's ?

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Mzk0WDYxMQ==/z/x6gAAOSwnhldLky2/$_72.JPG

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6467/YCXkNQ.jpg

Hope this helps, Frank.

sk

[Cook]

I personally would steer clear of this one..


Is this a SK signature from the 1980's ?

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Mzk0WDYxMQ==/z/x6gAAOSwnhldLky2/$_72.JPG

[peripheral]

I wouldn't want it, either...

[knightmare]

Okay, good close look at this one, let me know your thoughts please:

http://i64.tinypic.com/15xn3t3.png

[webstar1000]

Okay, good close look at this one, let me know your thoughts please:

http://i64.tinypic.com/15xn3t3.png

NOPE

[Br!an]

No

[knightmare]

Hmm...this is a greyfell. They live only about an hour away. I'm wondering should I just do a return or have it authenticated (it's the only way ebay will just automatically do the return)...anyone else do this with them, do they make it difficult?

[webstar1000]

Hmm...this is a greyfell. They live only about an hour away. I'm wondering should I just do a return or have it authenticated (it's the only way ebay will just automatically do the return)...anyone else do this with them, do they make it difficult?

HE IS A KNOWN POS FORGERY COCK SUCKER. Fuck that guy.

[knightmare]

Hmm...this is a greyfell. They live only about an hour away. I'm wondering should I just do a return or have it authenticated (it's the only way ebay will just automatically do the return)...anyone else do this with them, do they make it difficult?

HE IS A KNOWN POS FORGERY COCK SUCKER. Fuck that guy.

How does he have no negative feedback then...perhaps I should have it authenticated to expose him...

[OneFathom]

Hmm...this is a greyfell. They live only about an hour away. I'm wondering should I just do a return or have it authenticated (it's the only way ebay will just automatically do the return)...anyone else do this with them, do they make it difficult?

Greyfell's items are trash. To date, I've not seen a single authentic SK-signed item for sale. Do not waste time (or your money) having this authenticated. There are no better experts out there than on this site. It's fake.

[knightmare]

Hmm...this is a greyfell. They live only about an hour away. I'm wondering should I just do a return or have it authenticated (it's the only way ebay will just automatically do the return)...anyone else do this with them, do they make it difficult?

Greyfell's items are trash. To date, I've not seen a single authentic SK-signed item for sale. Do not waste time (or your money) having this authenticated. There are no better experts out there than on this site. It's fake.

Believe me, this site is all I need...that being said ebay will not care about a forum and for me to really have this done correctly without them wiggling out I'd have to have it authenticated, provide that proof, and then bring in my personal merchant support. There are new rules in place to protect top rated sellers and almost all of it makes sense and is good but it actually protects sellers who deal in fake items unintentionally (i've brought it up to them) so this has to be done with every t crossed...

[Randall Flagg]

Just open a PP (presuming you paid via PP) dispute and tell them that the definitive resource for Stephen King information, and signature verification collectively and unanimously said it's a bogus signature. Feel free to attach images from this page (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showwiki.php?title=Stephen+King+Signatures+1980-Present&redirect=no) to prove the signature is fake. I'd use the images from 1989 forward.

[knightmare]

I am not worried about the money. I can make one call to ebay and have that back quickly. I am saying I'm considering ensuring the feedback for the seller reflects what they are selling. As you can guess ebay protects buyers in some ways because money is money. They do not like people selling fake items, that I do know, but if it's a grey area then they will do what they can to keep that money rolling in. Screenshots from a forum will not mean a thing to them, even if some of them in merchant support were to be members. As I said, it's my number one source but that's not how the world of ebay works and frankly for good reason. People could just get into a frenzy over something they don't understand and point to it when talking to ebay support.

I did notice they aren't even a top rated seller and they don't offer free returns so this comes down to how much I'm driven to expose them. I've taken down about 10 accounts over the past couple of years for dealing in fake signatures, mostly on music stuff. I have allowed them to get neutral feedback by also refunding me the costs associated with proving it was fake, but only one even chose that illustrating just how much these folks value money over a decent business.

I'll say this, starting up a claim in Paypal is likely the worst way for me to do this b/c of my status with ebay. They would say "why in the world wouldn't you just call us". With my type of store you get individuals with a direct number and they have common sense discretion rather than the normal ebay support everyone else gets that takes forever to get to and they are just reading off a sheet.

[Br!an]

That signature screams forgery!!!

[Room 217 Caretaker]

This guy has sold and continues to sell garbage:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/beherenowmartin/m.html?_trksid=p3692

Mulleins

[knightmare]

This guy has sold and continues to sell garbage:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/beherenowmartin/m.html?_trksid=p3692

Mulleins

Yeah, his Dark Half one is particularly bad.

[Randall Flagg]

Most are clearly fakes, but IT might be legit, but without closeup o signature impossible to tell. Also could be a BCE. Lastly, the pics in his auction conflict with his description, as all the auctions say Tommyknockers in the description.

What a dummy.


SIGNED First Edition Christine BOOK Stephen King Shining Firestarter Carrie Cujo

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/SIGNED-First-Edition-Christine-BOOK-Stephen-King-Shining-Firestarter-Carrie-Cujo/133120162486?hash=item1efe947ab6:g:-o8AAOSwEWZdNTjD)$1.25
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SIGNED First Edition IT BOOK Stephen King Shining Firestarter Misery Carrie Cujo

(https://www.ebay.com/itm/SIGNED-First-Edition-IT-BOOK-Stephen-King-Shining-Firestarter-Misery-Carrie-Cujo/133120161165?hash=item1efe94758d:g:B5MAAOSwmd1dNTY P)$5.50
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+$15.00 shipping

[knightmare]

Hmm...this is a greyfell. They live only about an hour away. I'm wondering should I just do a return or have it authenticated (it's the only way ebay will just automatically do the return)...anyone else do this with them, do they make it difficult?

HE IS A KNOWN POS FORGERY COCK SUCKER. Fuck that guy.

So, because he's down the road and I see people like even Betts sell the cases I wrote a message to Greyfell about this signature. You guys were all unanimous in your thumbs down on it, and I let him know I had experts tell me it wasn't legit and I had a conundrum b/c I didn't want to waste money on COA and needed to know what information he had.

This was his reply:

"Apologies in advance for the tome that follows and the issue. First, I too share your disdain for the anything that is not authentic. My very first purchase on eBay in 2001 was a 'signed' copy of Suttree by Cormac McCarthy which turned out later - in the very worst of circumstances with McCarthy himself actually pointing it out - not to be a legitimate signing. I'd given it as a gift to a friend who showed it to him as he wanted his opinion on the slipcase I'd made for it. I'm not sure who was more mortified - him when he was told, or me when I was. To be fair, it all turned out well and I got to meet McCarthy and ended in getting quite a few books signed and picked up some future business. But having gone through that I never want to see a fake signature again.

I do also have to say that I have had a lot of King books over the years and I deal with most of the major King collectors in the country - mainly because I make cases for most of them - so I'd be quite interested to know who those people are that think the signing is not legit. I'm hopeful its not one of the small number of people who have made it onto my naughty list in the past for non-payment of custom slipcases orders and who I refuse to complete work for any more. Personally I don't have an issue with the signing. The plate itself was made from the signature page of a damaged copy of Christine that I purchased in New Orleans post Hurricane Katrina. The small collection it came from had belonged to Hettie Simpson (an acquaintance of Anne Rice) whose home had suffered flooding damage."

Thoughts? Elaborate story or what? I'll say this, sometimes someone is brought up with disdain but very few match the feelings about this guy. On the other side, most times I call someone out they get very defensive and try to weasel out of it. He offered to take a return. I'm likely just going to send it back and likely get blocked from buying from him in the future which is fine. With that, I was wondering what you guys think about this explanation and why the vitriol level is so high.

Thanks

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Hmm...this is a greyfell. They live only about an hour away. I'm wondering should I just do a return or have it authenticated (it's the only way ebay will just automatically do the return)...anyone else do this with them, do they make it difficult?

HE IS A KNOWN POS FORGERY COCK SUCKER. Fuck that guy.

So, because he's down the road and I see people like even Betts sell the cases I wrote a message to Greyfell about this signature. You guys were all unanimous in your thumbs down on it, and I let him know I had experts tell me it wasn't legit and I had a conundrum b/c I didn't want to waste money on COA and needed to know what information he had.

This was his reply:

"Apologies in advance for the tome that follows and the issue. First, I too share your disdain for the anything that is not authentic. My very first purchase on eBay in 2001 was a 'signed' copy of Suttree by Cormac McCarthy which turned out later - in the very worst of circumstances with McCarthy himself actually pointing it out - not to be a legitimate signing. I'd given it as a gift to a friend who showed it to him as he wanted his opinion on the slipcase I'd made for it. I'm not sure who was more mortified - him when he was told, or me when I was. To be fair, it all turned out well and I got to meet McCarthy and ended in getting quite a few books signed and picked up some future business. But having gone through that I never want to see a fake signature again.

I do also have to say that I have had a lot of King books over the years and I deal with most of the major King collectors in the country - mainly because I make cases for most of them - so I'd be quite interested to know who those people are that think the signing is not legit. I'm hopeful its not one of the small number of people who have made it onto my naughty list in the past for non-payment of custom slipcases orders and who I refuse to complete work for any more. Personally I don't have an issue with the signing. The plate itself was made from the signature page of a damaged copy of Christine that I purchased in New Orleans post Hurricane Katrina. The small collection it came from had belonged to Hettie Simpson (an acquaintance of Anne Rice) whose home had suffered flooding damage."

Thoughts? Elaborate story or what? I'll say this, sometimes someone is brought up with disdain but very few match the feelings about this guy. On the other side, most times I call someone out they get very defensive and try to weasel out of it. He offered to take a return. I'm likely just going to send it back and likely get blocked from buying from him in the future which is fine. With that, I was wondering what you guys think about this explanation and why the vitriol level is so high.

Thanks

Well firstly any COA you get is a waste of money. They mean nothing...The PSAs, DNAs, JSAs and whatever the hell else dont know their ass from their elbow with King sigs... Any experienced King collector will steer away rather than toward a COA signature(regardless).

This guy has been known among the community as a 'seller of questionable sigs"...for quite a long time really. Its not one collector saying "stay away"(someone on this idiot's theoretical naughty list)...its an entire group of experienced collectors. I personally wouldnt have anything this guy is selling..from his shitty looking cases to his "questionable" sigs

[knightmare]

JSA has very high standards and from my experience they would rather reject something questionable than pass it. PSA & DNA will pass almost anything close.

That's been my experience.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

My experience (and most others I know) has not been similar to yours. I think JSA is a joke but of course..just my opinion..I will say without a shadow of a doubt..the grand majority will run from your "authenticated" books...even if the sig is legit(a toss up at best)

[knightmare]

Always good to hear about other's experiences. Did you send in to them and get opposite of expectation? I've done about 25 and only a couple went a different direction and they had good reasoning. With that, it's not like it's going to be perfect for sure.

I'll say this, it's way better than the ebay seller offering their own COA :)

I actually got tricked by an elaborate Australian seller who had a signed Bob Marley LP. I was super excited and when I got it in they had "Australian's top authentication" with a LOA almost identical to what JSA will provide. It looked totally legit. With that, I wanted a LOA from a US company so sent it to JSA and....it failed. Talked to them about and they said the LOA was about as good a fake. A deeper dive and I found out that this "company" in Australia was the seller themselves and they even hosted a site where you could put in the number associated with the authentication and it would bring up the report. It looked totally professional. At that price level of ripping people off they could afford to do all that I guess. Amazing how deep this bullshit can go. I try to buy/sell mostly S/L to avoid that concern but there's something really nice about a signed trade 1st print.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Always good to hear about other's experiences. Did you send in to them and get opposite of expectation? I've done about 25 and only a couple went a different direction and they had good reasoning. With that, it's not like it's going to be perfect for sure.

I'll say this, it's way better than the ebay seller offering their own COA :)

I actually got tricked by an elaborate Australian seller who had a signed Bob Marley LP. I was super excited and when I got it in they had "Australian's top authentication" with a LOA almost identical to what JSA will provide. It looked totally legit. With that, I wanted a LOA from a US company so sent it to JSA and....it failed. Talked to them about and they said the LOA was about as good a fake. A deeper dive and I found out that this "company" in Australia was the seller themselves and they even hosted a site where you could put in the number associated with the authentication and it would bring up the report. It looked totally professional. At that price level of ripping people off they could afford to do all that I guess. Amazing how deep this bullshit can go. I try to buy/sell mostly S/L to avoid that concern but there's something really nice about a signed trade 1st print.

Just seeing them out in the wild, man. Ive seen so many JSA authentic seals of approval on obviously forged books...Reminds me of the Tommy Boy line "Do you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will...I have Spare time" .I wouldnt ever send anything in...Im only talking about King of course(as thats the only sig i have a half ass clue about)... You are right..the bullshit does indeed go deep(hence this thread)

[knightmare]

I'm betting they are better at some than others, and I can't see a better source than this group here. I'll probably never buy a King book without this seal of approval.

[Randall Flagg]

Obviously my opinion could be considered biased, but I know of no other website where there are more than a dozen serious, and a handful of super collectors that are available to render their expertise and evaluate King signatures.

[knightmare]

Obviously my opinion could be considered biased, but I know of no other website where there are more than a dozen serious, and a handful of super collectors that are available to render their expertise and evaluate King signatures.

It didn't take me long to figure out this was ground zero for good information on it.

[Lot guy]

JSA is as much a joke as the rest

[Lot guy]

Take some time to research Steve Grad and James Spence(JSA), the results should speak volumes

[erxbooks]

Hi All

Can I get some opinions on this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/thumbs/drawing2.jpg

[knightmare]

Hi All

Can I get some opinions on this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/thumbs/drawing2.jpg

Can you post it larger?

[The Library Policeman]

Hi All

Can I get some opinions on this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/thumbs/drawing2.jpg

It’s impossible to tell with that size of picture.

[Br!an]

He posted the thumbnail. Here's the full pic...

It's no good.

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/drawing2.jpg

[The Library Policeman]

Yep not good. Thanks Brian.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Nope!

[erxbooks]

Hi All

Can I get some opinions on this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/thumbs/drawing2.jpg

Thanks. Next time I will make sure to attach a larger image. I greatly appreciate all the help.

[Br!an]

Hi All

Can I get some opinions on this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/thumbs/drawing2.jpg

Thanks. Next time I will make sure to attach a larger image. I greatly appreciate all the help.

In the gallery you need to select the image you want to post. There are three choices for higher resolution images. You accidentally selected the thumbnail (smallest pic at the top) image. Just right click the regular image under the thumbnails to share or left click the regular image and right click the larger image that comes up. I did the last option with your pic to post the largest picture.

[knightmare]

Okay, bought this from a very trusted source, but it was shipped from the person consigned from. I have been told by a very trusted source their opinion, but want to put it out for everyone else.

Thanks:

http://i63.tinypic.com/35l8dom.jpg

[webstar1000]

POOP. 100%

[peripheral]

No bueno...

[knightmare]

Thanks...while disappointing it does illustrate to me a good lesson that everything should run through here first unless I see it signed myself.

Also, thanks go out to the friend who reached out to let me know before I was part of the problem as well.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Yeah seen this earlier(and discussed)...it’s definitely garbage ..

[knightmare]

Where did you see it earlier? I just got this in yesterday.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Ebay where you had it listed??


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[knightmare]

Where did you discuss it? I guess outside the boards. That’s how word got to me, I suppose.

Please feel free to reach out to me direct if you ever see anything in the future.

[knightmare]

Thoughts?

http://i68.tinypic.com/2hhezv6.jpg

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Its fine


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[knightmare]

Nice, thanks. It’s the 11/22/63 on eBay for anyone else interested. If not I’m grabbing it at that opening bid.

[tippy4]

FULL DARK NO STARS (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Full-Dark-No-Stars-Signed-Stephen-King-2010-First-Edition-First-Printing/352732532580?hash=item52207f4f64:g:GnYAAOSw01JdOko 6)

Total CRAP.

The JUST AFTER SUNSET this seller is selling might be legit...but its a bad photo.

[tippy4]

Nice, thanks. It’s the 11/22/63 on eBay for anyone else interested. If not I’m grabbing it at that opening bid.

You should looks closely at the picture....looks like some page separation.

[bdwyer19]

Nice, thanks. It’s the 11/22/63 on eBay for anyone else interested. If not I’m grabbing it at that opening bid.

It looks like there is a tear in the spine on the second picture.

EDIT: What Rick said!

[knightmare]

thoughts on this sig sk4.jpg

Has to be hosted online, that’s a file name from your computer

[darkseer]

Thank you

[knightmare]

How does this look
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipO8_3tdq0GCS8vfkTONt1fIJB0Lbl9jwFexPBOT

Google photos sharing doesn’t function like it used to. Upload it to tinypic or similar, it will give you a link which will function here.

Tinypic is going away soon, though.

[darkseer]

http://i64.tinypic.com/2cy0ilj.jpg



Thoughts

[The Library Policeman]

Looks real.

[darkseer]

Looks real.

Thanks, Dead Zone in good condition they want $150

[knightmare]

Thoughts on this one?

http://i64.tinypic.com/n14cg0.jpg

[Randall Flagg]

http://i64.tinypic.com/2cy0ilj.jpg



Thoughts
That is the real deal. I 100% endorse this inscription and signature.

[Randall Flagg]

Thoughts on this one?

http://i64.tinypic.com/n14cg0.jpg
IMO, not legit. The K is very weird.

[tippy4]

http://i64.tinypic.com/2cy0ilj.jpg



Thoughts
That is the real deal. I 100% endorse this inscription and signature.

As do I.

Signed on The Dead Zone Tour.

I have seen two books signed the very next day.

[The Library Policeman]

Thoughts on this one?

http://i64.tinypic.com/n14cg0.jpg

Wouldn’t be 100% comfortable owning it.

[darkseer]

Thanks for the replies on the signature. Turns out it is a BCE, I went ahead and got it anyway because of early signature. The dust cover is rough so I'll replace that.
Still pretty happy, Thanks again for the help.

[tippy4]

Thoughts on this one?

http://i64.tinypic.com/n14cg0.jpg
IMO, not legit. The K is very weird.

By any chance is this a signed copy of From a Buick 8?

[knightmare]

Thoughts on this one?

http://i64.tinypic.com/n14cg0.jpg
IMO, not legit. The K is very weird.

By any chance is this a signed copy of From a Buick 8?

It is. I made an offer, they accepted. Since the thinking is that it's fake I'm going to request to cancel.

Or is there something else I am missing?

[tippy4]

Thoughts on this one?

http://i64.tinypic.com/n14cg0.jpg
IMO, not legit. The K is very weird.

By any chance is this a signed copy of From a Buick 8?

It is. I made an offer, they accepted. Since the thinking is that it's fake I'm going to request to cancel.

Or is there something else I am missing?

I knew this was FAB8 because I have seen several copies of that title with this style of signature.....all signed in the lower right hand corner of the book.

Like in this (https://www.ebay.com/itm/STEPHEN-KING-From-a-Buick-8-Large-Print-Edition-SIGNED-FIRST-EDITION/191879076742?hash=item2cace25b86:g:6BAAAOSw5dNWkDD L) auction.......

There is just something too perfect about these. Too horizontal.....like he is signing on a line.

I would rather have this (https://www.ebay.com/itm/FROM-A-BUICK-8-2002-STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-BECKETT-CERTIFIED-1ST-EDITION-FINE/123220497548?hash=item1cb083948c:g:7u4AAOSww7RbNoT B:sc:USPSPriority!92835!US!-1) one or this (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stephen-King-From-A-Buick-8-TRUE-First-Edition-SIGNED-28-00-SCRIBNER/293138039531?hash=item44406382eb:g:CuEAAOSwoR9dGWA m) one.


I am not saying that the one you posted an image of is a fake...or the one I posted in my first link is either......just making an observation.

[knightmare]

Nice, good eye

[knightmare]

Well, update. I took what was said and, unlike some in the past, there wasn't a rain of shit on the signature just questions so I sent a message to them. They have a decent story, much better than most and while I'm taking a risk and may be a total sucker I'm going to pay and see if I can get this checked out in person by someone who is trusted.

That leads me to ask, while I've had experience with JSA being better and more stringent on the exact same items as PSA, DNA, Beckett I hear loud and clear even they can't be trusted on a King signature and I am wondering who could authenticate and be trusted? Send it off to David at Betts? Thanks

[Brian861]

That TDZ inscription is a beaut!

Brooks. The second book that Rick said he'd rather own is from a trusted member here by the user name of OneFathom (Colin). Great guy to deal with and his stuff is legit. PM him to make deals off eBay.

[Randall Flagg]

No offense to David at Betts, but I think even he would agree that tippy, and several others here (myself included) are as good at judging sigs as he is.

[zelig]

No offense to David at Betts, but I think even he would agree that tippy, and several others here (myself included) are as good at judging sigs as he is.

Agreed. Was going to say the same thing. You want the best expert advice on King signatures. You got it right here.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

But we dont have any stickers to give.....damn :biggrin:

[Br!an]

But we dont have any stickers to give.....damn :biggrin:

Here you go...

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/medium/SKsticker.JPG

[knightmare]

Fair enough, anyone want to volunteer to have me ship it to them for appraisal? It can be given the virtual stamp of approval or disapproval...

[knightmare]

Didn’t I read somewhere that someone knows King? I’m sure he wouldn’t mind authenticating it himself lol

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

Didn’t I read somewhere that someone knows King? I’m sure he wouldn’t mind authenticating it himself lol

You'd be better off getting the opinions of the experienced members of this forum...seriously man, use this thread for its intended purpose...receiving help on questionable signatures in books you are considering, pointing out bs artists on ebay etc. I could be wrong but I doubt anyone here wants to "authenticate" anything for you and issue you a COA so that you can slap their seal of approval stamp on it and list in your ebay store.. If all you are after is the warm and fuzzies of a sticker then you probably are better off with the JSA,DNA,PSA whatever nonsense...

[Randall Flagg]

I'm more than happy to render an opinion here, but don't really wish to have books sent to me.

[tippy4]

I'm more than happy to render an opinion here, but don't really wish to have books sent to me.

What he said.

[knightmare]

I spent a second thinking about this and I'm going to go ahead and ask:

I felt people were being honest with the opinion they weren't 100% sure and "it's too perfect" and "I wouldn't own it". I'm used to "THAT'S THE SPAWNHELL OF SATAN'S DIRTY DIAPER of GARBAGE" or "That's legit".

It's kind of a damned if I do or damned if I don't. I don't want to buy or sell fake items, but the word I'm given is there isn't anyone I can fully trust outside these boards because if I do send it off to JSA I'm told that's irrelevant (which I respectfully disagree with but that's based on non-King items) and nobody, as you put it, "wants to "authenticate" anything for you and issue you a COA so that you can slap their seal of approval stamp on it and list in your ebay store."

I understand you guys don't relate that I both have an ebay store AND am a collector who buys thing he wants and also wants them to be legit for personal and professional reasons, but if the sentiment is that I should only use this thread on ebay listings and purchases if I don't intend to relist I would appreciate that being said outright. I'll move along, no problem. I did it on the Pride and Joy thread b/c, although it was brought up by someone who floods the classifieds here with prices at what it would cost less ebay fees at best, I shouldn't be having a Pride and Joy I'm also selling. Meanwhile anyone who contacts me from here I give as good a deal as I can, with consignment sales being my only major interference. I do that, if nothing else, as a thank you for the help.

I am of the feeling that collectors can come in all shapes, sizes, approach and psychology and make an attempt as a current book seller to not make assumptions or pass judgment. I am NOT a Stephen King expert (obviously), but I would say I'm pretty close on Easton Press and have happily helped dozens of potential sellers better understand what they are dealing with and are up against. I allow for the idea that I should just tell them that they can only receive my help if they don't intend to sell Easton Press is an approach others employ and don't have a problem with that, either. This doesn't mean how I feel about it is right, but that's my approach so I metaphorically walk into a place like this with that mentality.

So, if anyone wants to be objectively definitive on these boards about this signature either way I'll roll with that. Usually that's what I receive and I act accordingly. If not, I'm not sure why it's unreasonable to find a solution where I can avoid being in a grey area when there is such a deep network of people who communicate about the realities. Or, if I need to get to stepping, that's not something I was hoping for, but I'm seeking help and if me using this thread for that isn't appropriate please just be direct.

Edit: Paul (zelig)...I'm totally serious about this, if you want me to remove my ebay listings of your books I will in a minute. I have zero intention of not possessing your items. The prices I have are where I am almost certain that if they actually sold them that I could acquire another in minutes with my typical tidy profit (people think it's crazy, but this happens fairly often). I have the mentality (not shared by everyone for sure) that simply having them listed in the store brings people in and they look at other things, of which I have hundreds and hundreds priced very competitively. That's established by my own past thinking of "wow, if they like that then let's see what else they like that I may could afford". I truly find what you are doing to be a moment in time where I stop in awe and while most of my store is in a "library of inventory" yours will be on display in my new home. I won't be offended at all if your opinion is that this detracts from what you are doing, I am of the feeling that it gets the word out (as it did to me). That's the last thing I want to do, but I'm also not deluded into thinking what I do will have any real impact either way on your business.

Thanks for the help in the past, either way. This group is very helpful.

[knightmare]

I'm more than happy to render an opinion here, but don't really wish to have books sent to me.

What he said.

These were put up as I wrote that in reply to HonkeyTonkSmash. I appreciate the help and i totally understand not wanting books sent to you. Just looking for clarity. Thanks

[Br!an]

It is hard to tell if a signature is legit when it is cut and pasted out of context. The picture should be a high resolution shot of enough of the page to be able to see placement, angle, size, etc.. When it is an out of context pic then there is less to go by.

[knightmare]

It is hard to tell if a signature is legit when it is cut and pasted out of context. The picture should be a high resolution shot of enough of the page to be able to see placement, angle, size, etc.. When it is an out of context pic then there is less to go by.

That's good insight as I was just thinking a large pic of the signature, maybe this helps:

http://i67.tinypic.com/24y4raf.png

[Brian861]

Didn’t I read somewhere that someone knows King? I’m sure he wouldn’t mind authenticating it himself lol

You'd be better off getting the opinions of the experienced members of this forum...seriously man, use this thread for its intended purpose...receiving help on questionable signatures in books you are considering, pointing out bs artists on ebay etc. I could be wrong but I doubt anyone here wants to "authenticate" anything for you and issue you a COA so that you can slap their seal of approval stamp on it and list in your ebay store.. If all you are after is the warm and fuzzies of a sticker then you probably are better off with the JSA,DNA,PSA whatever nonsense...

Damnit! I was hoping for an official TDT.org COA :cry: I mean, the sight has business cards and bookmarks, so why not!

[The Library Policeman]

I think as most of us are book collectors who visit this thread - if the consensus is that there is doubt over the authenticity of a signature we are considering buying - then that’s enough for most of us to not want it in our collection.
No problem to me personally if you’re buying the books to sell on, but you should do what others have suggested. If the consensus here is the sig is 100% authentic then buy it. If there is even an element of doubt then leave the signature alone. That’s what myself and others do/have done.

[tippy4]

If you asked which way I am leaning....I would say I am leaning toward it being legit.

There is just something that bothers me with the fact I have seen several of these with the signature in the same place and as level as they are (King tends to slant up to the right).

I have no idea the conditions or situations these books were signed under.

Still......you must admit it was weird that I KNEW it was a signed copy of FAB8.

[knightmare]

If you asked which way I am leaning....I would say I am leaning toward it being legit.

There is just something that bothers me with the fact I have seen several of these with the signature in the same place and as level as they are (King tends to slant up to the right).

I have no idea the conditions or situations these books were signed under.

Still......you must admit it was weird that I KNEW it was a signed copy of FAB8.

It was weird (and impressive) b/c I thought you had simply seen the listing. The thing is, and this could have been a mistake on my part, but it being similar to others didn't hurt it for me right away because I thought potentially it was how signed them all during that tour/sitting. The seller had a story that checked out about him being at a location very near where they live currently at a date and location which checked out, a willingness to sign an affidavit (I know, not really anything but still), and a willingness to refund. With all that combined with a price of only $180 it seemed a risk worth taking. I get on the other side of the coin they could all be the same b/c the same forger did them all but the story on that I expected to hear was "the guy who sold it to me had blah blah blah".

I also get how elements of doubt keep people from buying, that's a strong choice and one I certainly can align with. That being said, this price was very good and as I said, the consensus wasn't that it wasn't real. I feel like this horse has children who have also been beaten to death at this point but every time I think I understand things something else like page placement is pointed out and I learn a little more.

[Joe315]

King almost needs to start using his own authentication sticker like jk Rowling does. Might even get people to stop bugging him for signatures on the street.

[zelig]

Still......you must admit it was weird that I KNEW it was a signed copy of FAB8.

Because you know your shit Rick!

Knightmare, as with any sale on the secondary market, the seller can pitch it at whatever price point they wish. It’s certainly not my place to ask sellers to remove listings, nor would I.

In terms of the ‘flipper’ or reseller discussion, I have no problem with people making a profit. We all need to make a living. What I don’t like is if let’s say a book is listed at a price point that is exponentially above the market price, and someone comes along who doesn’t know the market, is a new collector, is a little ‘green’, whatever, and makes a rash decision to pull the trigger and make the purchase. To me, that individual just got ripped of. It happened to me in the very early days of my collecting, so maybe I’m overly sensitive to it. I just feel that collectors should be treated in a way that we would like to be treated ourselves. So in a general sense, whenever I see a book priced excessively high, it turns me off. Just my opinion. We’re all in this together. There are enough scum buckets in the outside world who try to take advantage of us all day, every day. I would like to know there is a safe haven in our little world where we all get a fair deal and everyone wins.

[Brian861]

Well stated, Paul! +1

[The Library Policeman]

Yep ditto, Paul.

[knightmare]

Still......you must admit it was weird that I KNEW it was a signed copy of FAB8.

Because you know your shit Rick!

Knightmare, as with any sale on the secondary market, the seller can pitch it at whatever price point they wish. It’s certainly not my place to ask sellers to remove listings, nor would I.

In terms of the ‘flipper’ or reseller discussion, I have no problem with people making a profit. We all need to make a living. What I don’t like is if let’s say a book is listed at a price point that is exponentially above the market price, and someone comes along who doesn’t know the market, is a new collector, is a little ‘green’, whatever, and makes a rash decision to pull the trigger and make the purchase. To me, that individual just got ripped of. It happened to me in the very early days of my collecting, so maybe I’m overly sensitive to it. I just feel that collectors should be treated in a way that we would like to be treated ourselves. So in a general sense, whenever I see a book priced excessively high, it turns me off. Just my opinion. We’re all in this together. There are enough scum buckets in the outside world who try to take advantage of us all day, every day. I would like to know there is a safe haven in our little world where we all get a fair deal and everyone wins.

I’ll take the Suntup listings I don’t have repeats down then.