The eBay BS Game: Questionable items, Stephen King signatures, sellers

[carlosdetweiller]

Have we talked about this one before ?????

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIGHTMARES-in-the-SKY-by-Stephen-King-Signed_W0QQitemZ120222707806QQihZ002QQcategoryZ378 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It looks familiar.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

That is a definite forgery. trinitylinebooks is a known, long time seller of forgeries.

[goheat]

Have we talked about this one before ?????

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIGHTMARES-in-the-SKY-by-Stephen-King-Signed_W0QQitemZ120222707806QQihZ002QQcategoryZ378 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It looks familiar.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

That is a definite forgery. trinitylinebooks is a known, long time seller of forgeries.

Yeah, it's just too 'clean,' especially the way Stephen is written. Plus, SK usually signs at an angle. And, as you say, trinityline is another scuzzy seller! :shoot:

[jemaher]

Have we talked about this one before ?????

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIGHTMARES-in-the-SKY-by-Stephen-King-Signed_W0QQitemZ120222707806QQihZ002QQcategoryZ378 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It looks familiar.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

That is a definite forgery. trinitylinebooks is a known, long time seller of forgeries.

Yeah, it's just too 'clean,' especially the way Stephen is written. Plus, SK usually signs at an angle. And, as you say, trinityline is another scuzzy seller! :shoot:

I agree it is a forgery, but it is close enough to suck in some unsuspecting buyer

[Randall Flagg]

99 King books in .pdf format. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-Kings-Lot-of-99-E-Books_W0QQitemZ260211693512QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4710 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) I wonder about CR issues.

[Randall Flagg]

How can this person have the nerve to list this as a 1st/1st?

Stephen King Book Night Shift 1st/1st (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Book-Night-Shift-1st-1st_W0QQitemZ310022774467QQihZ021QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[jhanic]

Because he's either ignorant or dishonest. I feel sorry for anyone who ends up buying this because it's a "First Edition".

John

[Hutch]

How can this person have the nerve to list this as a 1st/1st?

Stephen King Book Night Shift 1st/1st (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Book-Night-Shift-1st-1st_W0QQitemZ310022774467QQihZ021QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I emailed the seller when it listed... it's a $15.95 priced later.

[Hutch]

Have we talked about this one before ?????

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIGHTMARES-in-the-SKY-by-Stephen-King-Signed_W0QQitemZ120222707806QQihZ002QQcategoryZ378 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It looks familiar.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

That is a definite forgery. trinitylinebooks is a known, long time seller of forgeries.

Yeah, it's just too 'clean,' especially the way Stephen is written. Plus, SK usually signs at an angle. And, as you say, trinityline is another scuzzy seller! :shoot:

I agree it is a forgery, but it is close enough to suck in some unsuspecting buyer

If you can get a clear close-up image of the signature from the seller you'll find it to be probably traced with hesitation.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

99 King books in .pdf format. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-Kings-Lot-of-99-E-Books_W0QQitemZ260211693512QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4710 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) I wonder about CR issues.

Definately illegal. They have 25mb of books in pdf format. I checked mine. I have 660mb. :cyclops:

[Brice]

I must confess I am a bit jealous.

*wonders what all you have*

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I must confess I am a bit jealous.

*wonders what all you have*

I also have every King story on Word docs. You know my email address.

[Randall Flagg]

Rose Madder signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-Rose-Madder-1995-1st-HC-DW_W0QQitemZ150217227295QQihZ005QQcategoryZ377QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Pathetic

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2082/rosemadderbadsigsj8.jpg

[Randall Flagg]

Hard to tell on a baseball, (http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-BASEBALL-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ290030123058QQihZ019QQcategoryZ144 33QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l124 7QQcmdZViewItem) but I don't think this is King's signature. And at 2K, it would be felonious to sell a fake.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2546/baseballxy0.jpg

[jhanic]

Both are terrible.

John

[Bev Vincent]

Rose Madder signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-Rose-Madder-1995-1st-HC-DW_W0QQitemZ150217227295QQihZ005QQcategoryZ377QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Pathetic


Looks like it was done with an Etch-A-Sketch

[NeedfulKings]

Rose Madder signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-Rose-Madder-1995-1st-HC-DW_W0QQitemZ150217227295QQihZ005QQcategoryZ377QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Pathetic


Looks like it was done with an Etch-A-Sketch

I half expected the listing to say "King signed this for me while in the back of a bus on a really bumpy road."

:P

If you're gonna fake a sig, why a bookplate??? Duh!

As for the baseball, It would be nice to have an authentic object of similar proportion to compare. It does look sloppy/ugly. I'm sure that a baseball is not an easy thing to sign, but still...

[goheat]

Gahhh, what a piece of scat! I like the description, " a signature in biro..." :nope:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Song-of-susannah-book-signed-autograph-Stephen-King_W0QQitemZ110226292290QQihZ001QQcategoryZ15699 9QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Bev Vincent]

If you're gonna fake a sig, why a bookplate??? Duh!

Because they have no confidence in their ability to create the fake signature and a bookplate lets them try and try and try again, until they get it "right."

I'd hate to see the ones they threw away.

[Matt]

:rofl:

Yeah, if that one was the best

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Here's a better baseball....

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Signed-Baseball-w-COA_W0QQitemZ290207817874QQihZ019QQcategoryZ27260Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[goheat]

More crapola. Wow, according to the description, "When I obtained this PIECE in aucion , it was valued at approximately $2795!" I'm thinking $27.95 for the frame...

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-AKA-John-Swithen-Richard-Bachman-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ250218281837QQihZ015QQcategoryZ58Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Randall Flagg]

It actually-for the right price is a decent piece. One would need to remove the bogus signature, and if they had a legitimate signature on a card or bookplate insert it in the space and it would be cool.
I'd buy it for the aforementioned $27.95.

[Randall Flagg]

I deeply wonder about this signature:
DARK TOWER IV: WIZARD AND GLASS STEPHEN KING SIGNED 1st (http://cgi.ebay.com/DARK-TOWER-IV-WIZARD-AND-GLASS-STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-1st_W0QQitemZ260211841224QQihZ016QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x282/zoidsmith/WGsig.jpg

[Brice]

Me too! I think someone might have ruined a perfectly good book. :(

[Calla_Wolf]

I deeply wonder about this signature:
DARK TOWER IV: WIZARD AND GLASS STEPHEN KING SIGNED 1st (http://cgi.ebay.com/DARK-TOWER-IV-WIZARD-AND-GLASS-STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-1st_W0QQitemZ260211841224QQihZ016QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x282/zoidsmith/WGsig.jpg

Several people have asked me about this - It's CRAPPOLA

[Hutch]

I deeply wonder about this signature:
DARK TOWER IV: WIZARD AND GLASS STEPHEN KING SIGNED 1st (http://cgi.ebay.com/DARK-TOWER-IV-WIZARD-AND-GLASS-STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-1st_W0QQitemZ260211841224QQihZ016QQcategoryZ29223Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x282/zoidsmith/WGsig.jpg

it's fake. The seller has been offering fakes on and off for many years.
They were on the first list of habitual forgers at SKfakes

[Room 217 Caretaker]

T.M.I Authentics WHO????

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-AKA-John-Swithen-Richard-Bachman-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ250218281837QQihZ015QQcategoryZ58Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[tippy4]

I had an interesting thing happen this weekend.

I emailed a buyer on ebay about an auction for a signed DT6. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110226292290)

I let the buyer know the signature was a fake, and he replied back to me thanking me for the information and wanted to know how I knew it was a fake.

I told him I was a long time King collector, but if he had more questions, he could come here and ask the other collectors.

Turns out he is an author, and he told me he would like to send me a signed copy of his latest book for free for giving him this information.

www.thomasocallaghan.com

Normally I would not stick my nose in other people's business like that, but he paid a lot and I thought he might want to know.

One of the few times in life a good deed is actually rewarded! :rock:

[jhanic]

Good job, Tippy!!

John

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I had an interesting thing happen this weekend.

I emailed a buyer on ebay about an auction for a signed DT6. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110226292290)

I let the buyer know the signature was a fake, and he replied back to me thanking me for the information and wanted to know how I knew it was a fake.

I told him I was a long time King collector, but if he had more questions, he could come here and ask the other collectors.

Turns out he is an author, and he told me he would like to send me a signed copy of his latest book for free for giving him this information.

www.thomasocallaghan.com

Normally I would not stick my nose in other people's business like that, but he paid a lot and I thought he might want to know.

One of the few times in life a good deed is actually rewarded! :rock:

Well done Tippy, both for telling him and getting rewarded.

[Fsmdr]

Good for you, Tippy!.

[Matt]

I think that's a great story and it really shows that a nice guy doesn't always finish last.

[super sam]

Any opinions on this signature:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/supersam98/Thinnersigned.jpg

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Any opinions on this signature:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/supersam98/Thinnersigned.jpg

Looks good to me.

[jhanic]

I'm not sure, but it could be okay.

John

[wizardsrainbow]

Looks ok to me.

[Hutch]

Any opinions on this signature:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/supersam98/Thinnersigned.jpg

The signature is authentic.

[super sam]

Thanks all for your help! :)

[Calla_Wolf]

Yup - looks good

[Hutch]

What do you folks think of this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-Blaze-Stephen-King-LIMITED-1ST-SlipCase-MINT_W0QQitemZ350030718914QQihZ022QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Per the seller :
"~ LIMITED SLIPCASE EDITION ~"

Does anyone know the limitation of this edition? And dopey me I thought it was just an aftermarket slipcase with a trade first.

[Randall Flagg]

The slipcase was done by The Overlook Connection (http://www.overlookconnection.com/).
They are also doing a limited number of cases for Duma Key.
As to how many cases produced, one would have to ask Dave @ Overlook.

[Airtraffic]

That is great Tippy...and that new book the author has sounds good. Maybe I'll pick it up.

[Hutch]

The slipcase was done by The Overlook Connection (http://www.overlookconnection.com/).
They are also doing a limited number of cases for Duma Key.
As to how many cases produced, one would have to ask Dave @ Overlook.

Regardless ... it's still only an aftermarket slipcase and not a limited edition of Blaze...or am I missing something?

[jhanic]

You're not missing anything. The only thing limited is the Overlook slipcase.

John

[Hutch]

You're not missing anything. The only thing limited is the Overlook slipcase.

John

Are you sure?

There were 1,500,000 first editions/first printing of Four Past Midnight printed. After that there were no more true firsts printed. Does that mean it was a limited edition ... of one and a half million copies?

If I get a vasectomy... will that make my 2 daughters limited editions?

[Bev Vincent]

This is where we get down to sloppy terminology. Technically, there were 1,500,000 first printings of Four Past Midnight. Subsequent printings were of the same edition. The edition only changes when the book is redesigned or content is changed. That's why the 4PM edition isn't limited--they can and do go back to press as often as necessary to meet their needs.

[Hutch]

This is where we get down to sloppy terminology. Technically, there were 1,500,000 first printings of Four Past Midnight. Subsequent printings were of the same edition. The edition only changes when the book is redesigned or content is changed. That's why the 4PM edition isn't limited--they can and do go back to press as often as necessary to meet their needs.

so Bev, what do you think about the limited edition of Blaze above?

[Bev Vincent]

Malarky. Overlook Connection makes no claim that the slipcase is at all limited (http://www.overlookconnection.com/product_info.php?products_id=5234). The book certainly isn't limited--not in any meaningful quantity. I'd say someone is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, to borrow a phrase. It is what it is -- a first edition/first printing in an after market slipcase. Worth $50 tops -- $25 for the book and $25 for the slipcase.

[jhanic]

You're not missing anything. The only thing limited is the Overlook slipcase.

John

Are you sure?

There were 1,500,000 first editions/first printing of Four Past Midnight printed. After that there were no more true firsts printed. Does that mean it was a limited edition ... of one and a half million copies?

If I get a vasectomy... will that make my 2 daughters limited editions?

:rofl:

I guess so! It all depends on your definition of limited!

John

[Scoogs]

Ugh, they haven't made a slipcase yet that I don't consider hideous. Why the heck would I spend money to put a book into something so ugly? (and poorly designed)

[Matt]

Hmmm...this is interesting information.

I got a slipcase as a gift for my Born Arc from TOC--he had planned to donate some for the giveaway as well. :orely:

[Bev Vincent]

Dave Hinchberger from Overlook has been a buddy of mine for many, many years. He sent me all three of his recent slipcases -- the one for Blaze and the ones for the hardcover edition of Gunslinger Born and the individual Marvel comics. I probably wouldn't have purchased them, but I like having all the comics and ancillary booklets gathered in one case.

[Matt]

That's pretty much how I feel Bev. I am not sure if it is something I would intentionally shop but its great to have a simple place for them to all be together.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Dave Hinchberger from Overlook has been a buddy of mine for many, many years. He sent me all three of his recent slipcases -- the one for Blaze and the ones for the hardcover edition of Gunslinger Born and the individual Marvel comics. I probably wouldn't have purchased them, but I like having all the comics and ancillary booklets gathered in one case.

I like the 3 of them all together in the slipcases as well, but I had to buy them. I don't have any friends. :cry:

[Cutter]

The Green Mile (http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-signed-THE-GREEN-MILE-book-PIC-PROOF_W0QQitemZ270048115617QQihZ017QQcategoryZ378Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQ cmdZViewItem)

This guy has about 5 Stephen king signatures he selling for around $500 each. I'm not the best judge, but I don't feel comfortable with this guy at all.

[wizardsrainbow]

The Green Mile (http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-signed-THE-GREEN-MILE-book-PIC-PROOF_W0QQitemZ270048115617QQihZ017QQcategoryZ378Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQ cmdZViewItem)

This guy has about 5 Stephen king signatures he selling for around $500 each. I'm not the best judge, but I don't feel comfortable with this guy at all.


Total crapola in my opinion.

[carlosdetweiller]

The Green Mile (http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-signed-THE-GREEN-MILE-book-PIC-PROOF_W0QQitemZ270048115617QQihZ017QQcategoryZ378Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQ cmdZViewItem)

This guy has about 5 Stephen king signatures he selling for around $500 each. I'm not the best judge, but I don't feel comfortable with this guy at all.

I agree. Almost certainly a forgery.

[tippy4]

That Green Mile above is beyond a doubt a fake.

Here is one that was up for a short time.

STEPHEN KING SIGNED & DATED 6/5/02 "ON WRITING" MEMOIR (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130201578926)

I believe it to be a forgery...but one that is better than most.

The private auction and the fact I have seen some less than genuine items from that seller in the past make me 99% sure it is a fake.

[jhanic]

I agree. The "g" in King looks all wrong to me.

John

[Hutch]

The Green Mile (http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-signed-THE-GREEN-MILE-book-PIC-PROOF_W0QQitemZ270048115617QQihZ017QQcategoryZ378Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQ cmdZViewItem)

This guy has about 5 Stephen king signatures he selling for around $500 each. I'm not the best judge, but I don't feel comfortable with this guy at all.

If they are real .... they are not real good. They could be authentic. Signed on the run as shown in the images. Regardless if real or fake they are too sloppy to make it to my collection.

[Calla_Wolf]

The Green Mile (http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-signed-THE-GREEN-MILE-book-PIC-PROOF_W0QQitemZ270048115617QQihZ017QQcategoryZ378Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQ cmdZViewItem)

This guy has about 5 Stephen king signatures he selling for around $500 each. I'm not the best judge, but I don't feel comfortable with this guy at all.

If they are real .... they are not real good. They could be authentic. Signed on the run as shown in the images. Regardless if real or fake they are too sloppy to make it to my collection.

I'm with Dave (hmmm....Dave, did I ever disagree with you? LOL)

[Cutter]

Dave Hinchberger from Overlook has been a buddy of mine for many, many years. He sent me all three of his recent slipcases -- the one for Blaze and the ones for the hardcover edition of Gunslinger Born and the individual Marvel comics. I probably wouldn't have purchased them, but I like having all the comics and ancillary booklets gathered in one case.
Yea Unfortunately I bought the one for Blaze and as everyone can see it's pretty ugly. But I like the Gunslinger Born slipcases, they are more attractive and it is nice having a slipcase for the comics, as they are usually a little awkward on a bookshelf.

[Hutch]

The Green Mile (http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-signed-THE-GREEN-MILE-book-PIC-PROOF_W0QQitemZ270048115617QQihZ017QQcategoryZ378Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQ cmdZViewItem)

This guy has about 5 Stephen king signatures he selling for around $500 each. I'm not the best judge, but I don't feel comfortable with this guy at all.

If they are real .... they are not real good. They could be authentic. Signed on the run as shown in the images. Regardless if real or fake they are too sloppy to make it to my collection.

I'm with Dave (hmmm....Dave, did I ever disagree with you? LOL)

there may have been couple of times when you had an opinion other than mine. After reading my thoughts you agreed with me. Not too many though over the last 7-10 years. Has it been that long?

[artan]

...Do you think this is good?

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250219770371&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015

I'm not expert in king's signature, so the opinion of all of you can help me

8)

[Hutch]

...Do you think this is good?

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250219770371&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015

I'm not expert in king's signature, so the opinion of all of you can help me

8)

Yes .. it's good

[Randall Flagg]

It looks good to me. It is also consistent with King's signature when he toured the USA in 1994 on a motorcycle, stopping at independent bookstores and signing ~200 copies of Insomnia at each stop.
Let me know if you are going to bid. I am interested in it, but don't want to inflate the price for a friend from the board.

[Matt]

That's pretty much all you need right there :lol:

[artan]

It looks good to me. It is also consistent with King's signature when he toured the USA in 1994 on a motorcycle, stopping at independent bookstores and signing ~200 copies of Insomnia at each stop.
Let me know if you are going to bid. I am interested in it, but don't want to inflate the price for a friend from the board.

Hutch and Jerome, thanks for help...

Yes, I was interested in it, the white background is very nice, but he/she has put reserve on the book :angry: and I don't know if my budget will be enough.

Of course, you are free to bid on it and I will send you a PM in these days with details of my decisions...Jerome you are a gentleman!!!

[Randall Flagg]

I will pass on bidding. I have a signed Insomnia already.
Good luck if you choose to bid.

[artan]

I will pass on bidding. I have a signed Insomnia already.
Good luck if you choose to bid.

I have sent an e-mail to the seller...He/She doesn't ship to Italy, US only.
Sometimes this it's very frustrating!!!!!!

:nope:

Please feel free to go on with the bidding. If I don't have the chance of buying this book I like the idea that the book is won by someone who deserve it ;)

[Matt]

You could have them ship to me if you want Artan, I will ship it out to you. :couple:

[artan]

Thanks a lot Matt, you are great...next time I will ask to you :) :couple:

But I was so disappointed that I didn't follow the auction till the end!

:shoot:

[artan]

AUTOGRAPHED softcover book by Stephen King, "The Colorado Kid"

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280204925902&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018

You set the BS meter, real or fake?

[jhanic]

The It looks okay to me, but the Colorado Kid is definitely a fake.

John

[tippy4]

I will pass on bidding. I have a signed Insomnia already.
Good luck if you choose to bid.

I have sent an e-mail to the seller...He/She doesn't ship to Italy, US only.
Sometimes this it's very frustrating!!!!!!

:nope:

Please feel free to go on with the bidding. If I don't have the chance of buying this book I like the idea that the book is won by someone who deserve it ;)

I won this auction.

I probably paid more than I should have, but the auction states the book is perfect, and I do not have a signed copy of this title in my collection.

[jhanic]

Tippy, that's a good enough reason to bid as any! Congratulations!

John

[Randall Flagg]

I won this auction.
I probably paid more than I should have, but the auction states the book is perfect, and I do not have a signed copy of this title in my collection.

I thought you bid "high", but if it's perfect-given the weakness of the US dollar, perhaps you and Artan can work out a mutually beneficial deal.:thumbsup:

[Room 217 Caretaker]

I have tried so hard to explain to this person her auctions are fine, but her price doesn't fit the book.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cujo-Stephen-King-1st-Edition-Hardback-1981_W0QQitemZ110231495401QQihZ001QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Am I missing something here?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Randall Flagg]

No, you are not missing something. They will get the message when the item does not sell. I would say w/o a dj, the book isn't worth $15.

[Hutch]

I have tried so hard to explain to this person her auctions are fine, but her price doesn't fit the book.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cujo-Stephen-King-1st-Edition-Hardback-1981_W0QQitemZ110231495401QQihZ001QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Am I missing something here?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

I think you should not have intervened. There's a whole bunch of good reasons not to. Foremost would be if the person was evil or vindictive they may take offense and may retaliate by email or worse.
I would feel differently if there were some inaccuracies in the description.

Just a thought.

[Rahfa]

Yeah, you can't email people a "suggestion" about their listing price...All I would assume is the person just wanted it cheaper.

It's easy for us to sit here and be fully 100 percent aware that the price is irrational...but the lister THINKS they're price is actually correct. They won't get the message when the item doesn't sell, because they don't have the background to know the reason WHY it didn't sell, you know?

Way back when, I listed that 4-in-1 Heinemenn volume (Carrie, Night Shift, Salem's, Shining) first edition for some stupid buy-it-now bid - like $20. Of course it sold immediately (and, funny, nobody warned me the price was too low!), so I assumed - incorrectly - that every first edition I had was worth crazy money. It took me some time before I figured out that was not the case...

Point being, it's not anybody's business except the seller's what stupid price, high or low, they list an item for...if you're not bidding on it, it's not polite and it's doing them a favor to give them "advice" about the price. Who are we to say somebody's auctions are "fine" or "not fine" or whatever, you know?

Sounds harsher than I mean it, but you know what I mean...:grouphug:

This of course does not apply to inaccuracies or fakes...

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Yeah, you can't email people a "suggestion" about their listing price...All I would assume is the person just wanted it cheaper.

It's easy for us to sit here and be fully 100 percent aware that the price is irrational...but the lister THINKS they're price is actually correct. They won't get the message when the item doesn't sell, because they don't have the background to know the reason WHY it didn't sell, you know?

Way back when, I listed that 4-in-1 Heinemenn volume (Carrie, Night Shift, Salem's, Shining) first edition for some stupid buy-it-now bid - like $20. Of course it sold immediately (and, funny, nobody warned me the price was too low!), so I assumed - incorrectly - that every first edition I had was worth crazy money. It took me some time before I figured out that was not the case...

Point being, it's not anybody's business except the seller's what stupid price, high or low, they list an item for...if you're not bidding on it, it's not polite and it's doing them a favor to give them "advice" about the price. Who are we to say somebody's auctions are "fine" or "not fine" or whatever, you know?

Sounds harsher than I mean it, but you know what I mean...:grouphug:

This of course does not apply to inaccuracies or fakes...

I don't think your being harsh. But, I don't want everyone to think I was rude or contacted her to make her feel stupid. In two different contacts I told her I would be happy to help so she won't waste Ebay fees. Again, I was trying to be helpful NOT hurtful.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Calla_Wolf]

You have to remember as well that some people just WON'T be told

[Rahfa]

I totally understand what you were trying to do, and you had good intentions. And you know where that road will take you! Haha...

[Calla_Wolf]

RIDICULOUS PRICE (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STEPHEN-KING-THE-SHINING-1ST-EDITION-HB-US-EXCELLENT_W0QQitemZ380001027195QQihZ025QQcategoryZ 270QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

To be fair, the seller does state, several times, that it's a BCE.....the buyer is an idiot to pay this sort of money.

And this, as far as I can tell, is the large format hardback...so it doesn't even resemble the US 1st.

Makes me so P***ed Off !!!

[Randall Flagg]

I think you should start hunting down BCE's and putting them up for sale. Looks quite lucrative.:panic:
Really though, someone has paid quite a bit for what to most collectors is worthless.

[jhanic]

How did a guy in Cyprus get a UK edition of Duma Key signed by King? And how about the signature?

UK Duma Key signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220211790295QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

[carlosdetweiller]

How did a guy in Cyprus get a UK edition of Duma Key signed by King? And how about the signature?

UK Duma Key signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220211790295QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

Definite forgery.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

How did a guy in Cyprus get a UK edition of Duma Key signed by King? And how about the signature?

UK Duma Key signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220211790295QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

Definite forgery.

Agreed

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Hutch]

How did a guy in Cyprus get a UK edition of Duma Key signed by King? And how about the signature?

UK Duma Key signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220211790295QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

Definite forgery.

Agreed

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Here are the steps you’ll need to report forgery through ebay:

1) Click “Report this item” at the very bottom of the page for that particular item

2) For Step 1 select “Counterfeits and copyright violations “; for Step 2 select “Bootlegs and other Counterfeit Media“; for Step 3 select “Counterfeit Autographs” and click Continue

3) click Email Us

4) click send

[Randall Flagg]

The final step is:
5. Don't hold your breath. Ebay doesn't always pull the item.

[CRinVA]

Oh so true RF!!!!

#1 ebay priority is Sales = $$$$

[goheat]

Some more apparent phonies: :nope:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-CUJO-1st-Ed-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ320226890424QQihZ011QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-Signed-Stephen-King-1st-1st-Printing-Insomnia-DJ_W0QQitemZ180223022899QQihZ008QQcategoryZ29223QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Randall Flagg]

They both look pretty bad to me.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Guess who... Renaisance Actions trying to hide under another ID.

[Chooch]

How did a guy in Cyprus get a UK edition of Duma Key signed by King? And how about the signature?

UK Duma Key signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220211790295QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

Definite forgery.

Agreed

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Here are the steps you’ll need to report forgery through ebay:

1) Click “Report this item” at the very bottom of the page for that particular item

2) For Step 1 select “Counterfeits and copyright violations “; for Step 2 select “Bootlegs and other Counterfeit Media“; for Step 3 select “Counterfeit Autographs” and click Continue

3) click Email Us

4) click send

And yet the auctions ends like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220211790295&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

[Randall Flagg]

The final step is:
5. Don't hold your breath. Ebay doesn't always pull the item.






How did a guy in Cyprus get a UK edition of Duma Key signed by King? And how about the signature?

UK Duma Key signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220211790295QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

Definite forgery.

Agreed

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Here are the steps you’ll need to report forgery through ebay:

1) Click “Report this item” at the very bottom of the page for that particular item

2) For Step 1 select “Counterfeits and copyright violations “; for Step 2 select “Bootlegs and other Counterfeit Media“; for Step 3 select “Counterfeit Autographs” and click Continue

3) click Email Us

4) click send

And yet the auctions ends like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220211790295&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

See step 5 above.

[tippy4]

Here is a clever idea, sell a S/L with two fake signed 1sts...

3 SIGNED Stephen King Books - Cujo Ltd, Dark Tower 3, 4 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330219377386)

Idiot wrecked two perfectly good books!

[Hutch]

One good and two fake in one lot
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-SIGNED-Stephen-King-Books-Cujo-Ltd-Dark-Tower-3-4_W0QQitemZ330219377386QQihZ014QQcategoryZ29223QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Randall Flagg]

Trying to sell two sows ears with a silk purse.

[goheat]

Guess who... Renaisance Actions trying to hide under another ID.

Yeah, I didn't catch that graphic in the listing. They are scum... :shoot:

[Chooch]

The final step is:
5. Don't hold your breath. Ebay doesn't always pull the item.






How did a guy in Cyprus get a UK edition of Duma Key signed by King? And how about the signature?

UK Duma Key signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220211790295QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

Definite forgery.

Agreed

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Here are the steps you’ll need to report forgery through ebay:

1) Click “Report this item” at the very bottom of the page for that particular item

2) For Step 1 select “Counterfeits and copyright violations “; for Step 2 select “Bootlegs and other Counterfeit Media“; for Step 3 select “Counterfeit Autographs” and click Continue

3) click Email Us

4) click send

And yet the auctions ends like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220211790295&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

See step 5 above.

I am not the internet police nor do I care what others spend their money on...I would not inform Ebay just because they are all about the $$$ and it would'nt do any good. What gripes me is that people fall for the greed of others...How many times have any of us seen articles about fraudulent Signatures and beware them? I've seen perhaps a dozen on the internet...but yet the auction ends like that!!!

[artan]

LISEY'S STORY...If this is good...It's ugly...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-LISEYS-STORY-Signed-First-Edtion-NEW_W0QQitemZ130204023023QQihZ003QQcategoryZ377QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The Stand...bah...
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-THE-STAND-w-Author-SIGNATURE-1st-Ed-BOOK_W0QQitemZ250225280430QQihZ015QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Randall Flagg]

The Stand sig is terrible, but there is a possibility the Lisey's Story sig is legit-albeit "ugly".

[carlosdetweiller]

The Stand sig is terrible, but there is a possibility the Lisey's Story sig is legit-albeit "ugly".

The Lisey's Story sig looks a bit off to me, too, but I suspect it is good based on the seller. He has a good reputation and I have dealt with him very successfully before.

[Cutter]

The Stand sig is terrible, but there is a possibility the Lisey's Story sig is legit-albeit "ugly".
Agreed the Stand is very bad

[Chooch]

wow...this guy has alot of signed copys of a UK Edition

http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220212592361QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Hutch]

The final step is:
5. Don't hold your breath. Ebay doesn't always pull the item.






How did a guy in Cyprus get a UK edition of Duma Key signed by King? And how about the signature?

UK Duma Key signed (http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220211790295QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

John

Definite forgery.

Agreed

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Here are the steps you’ll need to report forgery through ebay:

1) Click “Report this item” at the very bottom of the page for that particular item

2) For Step 1 select “Counterfeits and copyright violations “; for Step 2 select “Bootlegs and other Counterfeit Media“; for Step 3 select “Counterfeit Autographs” and click Continue

3) click Email Us

4) click send

And yet the auctions ends like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220211790295&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

See step 5 above.

I am not the internet police nor do I care what others spend their money on...I would not inform Ebay just because they are all about the $$$ and it would'nt do any good. What gripes me is that people fall for the greed of others...How many times have any of us seen articles about fraudulent Signatures and beware them? I've seen perhaps a dozen on the internet...but yet the auction ends like that!!!

Did you or anyone else report it to ebay with enough time to end it? ( a few days) I would like to believe that if enough people are reporting the same item or the same seller that action could take place. But if only one or two of us are reporting the auctions... nothing will ever happen.
Let's do an experiment and all report the next obvious fake that has several days left at auction and see what happens. Let's monitor how many of us report it. I'm in ... how about you?

[Chooch]

Yes lets see where it goes I would also like to see a post or a thread for the names of known frauds so that at least we here can refer to so we wont get rooked

[Chooch]

wow...this guy has alot of signed copys of a UK Edition

http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220212592361QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ill start by doing this listing...anyone else?

[Chooch]

wow...this guy has alot of signed copys of a UK Edition

http://cgi.ebay.com/Duma-Key-Stephen-King-Signed-by-Author-Autograph-RARE_W0QQitemZ220212592361QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ill start by doing this listing...anyone else?

I reported this idiot but the auction only has 2 days left. He only does 3 day auctions and if you look at his feedback all items are private...probally so no one can see he has multiple same item listings...what a scam!!

[Randall Flagg]

I notified.

[Hutch]

I notified.

I notified that one... but I don't know if it's enough time due to the short length of the auction.

How about this one as our test? Right now it has 6 days and 15 hours left
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-PHOTO-DISPLAY-L-K_W0QQitemZ160218561682QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14433QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've reported it ...have you?

[Randall Flagg]

I've reported it ...have you?
Done.

[Brice]

I also reported it.

[carlosdetweiller]

Done.

[jhanic]

Done a while ago.

John

[wizardsrainbow]

also reported

[Chooch]

Done

[shnnrc01]

done

[Hutch]

I notified.

I notified that one... but I don't know if it's enough time due to the short length of the auction.

How about this one as our test? Right now it has 6 days and 15 hours left
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-PHOTO-DISPLAY-L-K_W0QQitemZ160218561682QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14433QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've reported it ...have you?

Only eight members reporting thus far. I was hoping for a much higher level of participation.

[Calla_Wolf]

I notified.

I notified that one... but I don't know if it's enough time due to the short length of the auction.

How about this one as our test? Right now it has 6 days and 15 hours left
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-PHOTO-DISPLAY-L-K_W0QQitemZ160218561682QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14433QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've reported it ...have you?

Only eight members reporting thus far. I was hoping for a much higher level of participation.

Make that Nine

[Ari_Racing]

where's the link to report it? I'm looking for it but I didn't find it so far.

[Brice]

It's under other options at the bottom of the listing.

[Hutch]

where's the link to report it? I'm looking for it but I didn't find it so far.

You can find it by scrolling down to the very bottom of the page of the auction

[shibus]

I'm in.

[Ari_Racing]

Done.

[John Blaze]

I notified.

I notified that one... but I don't know if it's enough time due to the short length of the auction.

How about this one as our test? Right now it has 6 days and 15 hours left
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-PHOTO-DISPLAY-L-K_W0QQitemZ160218561682QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14433QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've reported it ...have you?

Only eight members reporting thus far. I was hoping for a much higher level of participation.

Make that Nine

Well guys, I was going to join you on reporting this, but in the listing itself it says
This is a wonderful STEPHEN KING matted and framed autograph display. It is much clearer than the image may suggest. The signature is a very good one, nice and clean. It's an excellent reproduction of the original from my personal collection.

Why are we reporting this then? Anyone who purchases anything on EBAY should be smart enough to read the complete listing first. I just don't think it's right this guy is gonna get nailed by us for selling what he clearly is stating to be a reproduction, unless that itself is illegal, which I don't think it is.

[Brice]

I notified.

I notified that one... but I don't know if it's enough time due to the short length of the auction.

How about this one as our test? Right now it has 6 days and 15 hours left
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-PHOTO-DISPLAY-L-K_W0QQitemZ160218561682QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14433QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've reported it ...have you?

Only eight members reporting thus far. I was hoping for a much higher level of participation.

Make that Nine

Well guys, I was going to join you on reporting this, but in the listing itself it says
This is a wonderful STEPHEN KING matted and framed autograph display. It is much clearer than the image may suggest. The signature is a very good one, nice and clean. It's an excellent reproduction of the original from my personal collection.

Why are we reporting this then? Anyone who purchases anything on EBAY should be smart enough to read the complete listing first. I just don't think it's right this guy is gonna get nailed by us for selling what he clearly is stating to be a reproduction, unless that itself is illegal, which I don't think it is.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sell a reproduction of someone's signature without their authorization Bruno.

[Hutch]

I notified.

I notified that one... but I don't know if it's enough time due to the short length of the auction.

How about this one as our test? Right now it has 6 days and 15 hours left
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-PHOTO-DISPLAY-L-K_W0QQitemZ160218561682QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14433QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've reported it ...have you?

Only eight members reporting thus far. I was hoping for a much higher level of participation.

Make that Nine

Well guys, I was going to join you on reporting this, but in the listing itself it says
This is a wonderful STEPHEN KING matted and framed autograph display. It is much clearer than the image may suggest. The signature is a very good one, nice and clean. It's an excellent reproduction of the original from my personal collection.

Why are we reporting this then? Anyone who purchases anything on EBAY should be smart enough to read the complete listing first. I just don't think it's right this guy is gonna get nailed by us for selling what he clearly is stating to be a reproduction, unless that itself is illegal, which I don't think it is.

I saw that but thought it was in reference to the photograph. If there is confusion we'll have to try this again with a better item and at least a 7 day auction.

[Rahfa]

I notified.

I notified that one... but I don't know if it's enough time due to the short length of the auction.

How about this one as our test? Right now it has 6 days and 15 hours left
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-PHOTO-DISPLAY-L-K_W0QQitemZ160218561682QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14433QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've reported it ...have you?

Only eight members reporting thus far. I was hoping for a much higher level of participation.

Make that Nine

Well guys, I was going to join you on reporting this, but in the listing itself it says
This is a wonderful STEPHEN KING matted and framed autograph display. It is much clearer than the image may suggest. The signature is a very good one, nice and clean. It's an excellent reproduction of the original from my personal collection.

Why are we reporting this then? Anyone who purchases anything on EBAY should be smart enough to read the complete listing first. I just don't think it's right this guy is gonna get nailed by us for selling what he clearly is stating to be a reproduction, unless that itself is illegal, which I don't think it is.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sell a reproduction of someone's signature without their authorization Bruno.

It's not illegal...it might be a copyright infringement if King wanted to complain, but it's certainly not a crime...anyone stupid enough to bid on this auction deserves what they get.

[Hutch]

I've reported this one...have you?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Insomnia-Signed-First-Edition-First-Print_W0QQitemZ220214338958QQihZ012QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[goheat]

I've reported this one...have you?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Insomnia-Signed-First-Edition-First-Print_W0QQitemZ220214338958QQihZ012QQcategoryZ2922 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Gee, you mean that's not real? :nope:

Heh, I reported it as well...

[Matt]

I have verified that this is indeed a First Edition, First Printing thru the official Stephen King Website at www.StephenKing.com . It utilizes the numberline on the copyright page to verify this fact. The numberline on this book is 1 3 5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2.

Sure, it may be a first but it says nothing about the signature. <_<

[Randall Flagg]

I have reported it.
Next!

[jhanic]

Done.

John

[Chooch]

And I thought that was such a good deal...heh heh...Reported!

I still think we need a list of Fraud sellers so we can refer too!

[artan]

I agree with you Chooch...

Reported, too!

[carlosdetweiller]

I still think we need a list of Fraud sellers so we can refer too!


That might be problematic. Ceri "Calla_wolf" ran a site called SKFakes for a number of years. I'll let him describe the difficulties if he is so inclined. But basically you would have an evolving and constantly changing list as new eBay sellers (or old sellers with new eBay ID's) emerged. Putting someone on the list can sometimes make them angry and litigious. Someone would need to keep it updated on a nearly daily basis and then be open for potential threats of lawsuits. Personally I would want no part of it.

[Fsmdr]

Done

[Chooch]

I still think we need a list of Fraud sellers so we can refer too!


That might be problematic. Ceri "Calla_wolf" ran a site called SKFakes for a number of years. I'll let him describe the difficulties if he is so inclined. But basically you would have an evolving and constantly changing list as new eBay sellers (or old sellers with new eBay ID's) emerged. Putting someone on the list can sometimes make them angry and litigious. Someone would need to keep it updated on a nearly daily basis and then be open for potential threats of lawsuits. Personally I would want no part of it.

I agree mostly, however, we are inclined to throw those names around on the site. And a fake is a fake I dont care how you dice it. I can understand the necessiaty for keeping it updated and being problematic but joe blow on Ebay needs to have their feet held to the fire for taking advantage of unsuspecting people dont you think?

[Rahfa]

I still think we need a list of Fraud sellers so we can refer too!


That might be problematic. Ceri "Calla_wolf" ran a site called SKFakes for a number of years. I'll let him describe the difficulties if he is so inclined. But basically you would have an evolving and constantly changing list as new eBay sellers (or old sellers with new eBay ID's) emerged. Putting someone on the list can sometimes make them angry and litigious. Someone would need to keep it updated on a nearly daily basis and then be open for potential threats of lawsuits. Personally I would want no part of it.

I agree mostly, however, we are inclined to throw those names around on the site. And a fake is a fake I dont care how you dice it. I can understand the necessiaty for keeping it updated and being problematic but joe blow on Ebay needs to have their feet held to the fire for taking advantage of unsuspecting people dont you think?

Yeah, the lawsuit threat is not worth worrying about...theoretically, someone would have to prove the item is REAL before they can sue, so it's not something that could actually be done, since it would be a fake item...it's just empty threats...

However...actually maintaining a site like Calla did takes a lot of time and effort...and for what? So some goofball that doesn't do his research gets burned on a bad auction? And, you'd still have to put up with threats, empty or not...

Someone like Hutch or Stu actually has a bone to pick, since they are trying to sell signed items as more of a business, and they lose money when bad items drives prices down...but beyond reporting fake items to ebay, and mentioining names on this site, I'm not sure what else there is to do about it. Yes, hold their feet to fire, but for most of us, this is just a hobby...

[Chooch]

I still think we need a list of Fraud sellers so we can refer too!


That might be problematic. Ceri "Calla_wolf" ran a site called SKFakes for a number of years. I'll let him describe the difficulties if he is so inclined. But basically you would have an evolving and constantly changing list as new eBay sellers (or old sellers with new eBay ID's) emerged. Putting someone on the list can sometimes make them angry and litigious. Someone would need to keep it updated on a nearly daily basis and then be open for potential threats of lawsuits. Personally I would want no part of it.

I agree mostly, however, we are inclined to throw those names around on the site. And a fake is a fake I dont care how you dice it. I can understand the necessiaty for keeping it updated and being problematic but joe blow on Ebay needs to have their feet held to the fire for taking advantage of unsuspecting people dont you think?

Yeah, the lawsuit threat is not worth worrying about...theoretically, someone would have to prove the item is REAL before they can sue, so it's not something that could actually be done, since it would be a fake item...it's just empty threats...

However...actually maintaining a site like Calla did takes a lot of time and effort...and for what? So some goofball that doesn't do his research gets burned on a bad auction? And, you'd still have to put up with threats, empty or not...

Someone like Hutch or Stu actually has a bone to pick, since they are trying to sell signed items as more of a business, and they lose money when bad items drives prices down...but beyond reporting fake items to ebay, and mentioining names on this site, I'm not sure what else there is to do about it. Yes, hold their feet to fire, but for most of us, this is just a hobby...

Yes indeed, very true...hobbie (as expensive as it can be) none the less

[Hutch]

I still think we need a list of Fraud sellers so we can refer too!


That might be problematic. Ceri "Calla_wolf" ran a site called SKFakes for a number of years. I'll let him describe the difficulties if he is so inclined. But basically you would have an evolving and constantly changing list as new eBay sellers (or old sellers with new eBay ID's) emerged. Putting someone on the list can sometimes make them angry and litigious. Someone would need to keep it updated on a nearly daily basis and then be open for potential threats of lawsuits. Personally I would want no part of it.

I agree mostly, however, we are inclined to throw those names around on the site. And a fake is a fake I dont care how you dice it. I can understand the necessiaty for keeping it updated and being problematic but joe blow on Ebay needs to have their feet held to the fire for taking advantage of unsuspecting people dont you think?

Yeah, the lawsuit threat is not worth worrying about...theoretically, someone would have to prove the item is REAL before they can sue, so it's not something that could actually be done, since it would be a fake item...it's just empty threats...

However...actually maintaining a site like Calla did takes a lot of time and effort...and for what? So some goofball that doesn't do his research gets burned on a bad auction? And, you'd still have to put up with threats, empty or not...

Someone like Hutch or Stu actually has a bone to pick, since they are trying to sell signed items as more of a business, and they lose money when bad items drives prices down...but beyond reporting fake items to ebay, and mentioining names on this site, I'm not sure what else there is to do about it. Yes, hold their feet to fire, but for most of us, this is just a hobby...

Yes indeed, very true...hobbie (as expensive as it can be) none the less

It not only drives value down for those of us selling. It drives the value down for anyone who has signed books in their collection.

[Rahfa]

Yes, it clearly - and annoyingly - drives down the value across the board...which is why I stay away from signed trades.

As long as you combine Ebay's anonymity with thieves and with morons, there will always be a problem. We have very limited recourse.

Like I said, I'm all for reporting people to ebay...at least it's something proactive we can do...but to ask somebody to maintain a 'fakes' site like Calla did is asking a lot. I collect lots of signed books; King happens to be the only author where a lot of fake sigs float around.

It sucks...if there was some sort of magic bullet to fix it, that would be great.

[jhanic]

King happens to be the only author where a lot of fake sigs float around.

J.K.Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter books, has lots of fakes floating around out there too. I'd NEVER buy one of hers from eBay.

John

[carlosdetweiller]

King happens to be the only author where a lot of fake sigs float around.

J.K.Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter books, has lots of fakes floating around out there too. I'd NEVER buy one of hers from eBay.

John

I think there are LOTS of fake sigs on eBay involving LOTS of authors. I'm pretty familiar with King's sig so I feel like I can do pretty well separating real from fake on my own. But signed books from other authors I collect really worry me on eBay. Thomas Harris in particular. That is one I would buy ONLY from a reputable dealer. I just don't have the experience for any other author.

[Rahfa]

I should have clarified....King is the only author who I collect where there are lots of fake sigs floating around...

Yeah, J.K. Rowling is another one you can't trust...her REAL signature is so bad, I wouldn't care if I knew it was real. Hunter Thompson is a bad one, too. But he has a couple s/l's.

Most books I try hard to get are signed by the author in front of me (or sent to them), and they aren't of any significant monetary value anyway. I have all the presidential candidates, for example, but they're all personalized to me, so it's not like I'm selling them.

[shnnrc01]

done

[Cutter]

I should have clarified....King is the only author who I collect where there are lots of fake sigs floating around...

As we all know now, Joe Hill has a ridiculous amount of fake sigs on eBay. It’s sad.

[Calla_Wolf]

All Genuine In My Opinion....EXCEPT KING (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PRIME-EVIL-ARC-SIGNED-BY-STEPHEN-KING-RAMSEY-CAMPBELL_W0QQitemZ250227198318QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3 77QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[Rahfa]

What a waste of an otherwise geninely signed book...

[artan]

Maybe I'm wrong...but what you think of this signature?

Signed Nightmares & Dreamscapes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Autograph-Signed-Nightmares-Dreamscapes_W0QQitemZ270171527062QQihZ017QQcategor yZ29223QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

[Calla_Wolf]

Maybe I'm wrong...but what you think of this signature?

Signed Nightmares & Dreamscapes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Autograph-Signed-Nightmares-Dreamscapes_W0QQitemZ270171527062QQihZ017QQcategor yZ29223QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Drivel

[jhanic]

Yecch!!

John

[Chooch]

Maybe I'm wrong...but what you think of this signature?

Signed Nightmares & Dreamscapes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Autograph-Signed-Nightmares-Dreamscapes_W0QQitemZ270171527062QQihZ017QQcategor yZ29223QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Drivel

Looks like a bad tracing

[wizardsrainbow]

Signed UK Blaze - total crap. I am going to report this one:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLAZE-BY-STEPHEN-KING-BACHMAN-FIRST-EDITION-SIGNED-RARE_W0QQitemZ220214326728QQihZ012QQcategoryZ270QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[goheat]

Signed UK Blaze - total crap. I am going to report this one:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLAZE-BY-STEPHEN-KING-BACHMAN-FIRST-EDITION-SIGNED-RARE_W0QQitemZ220214326728QQihZ012QQcategoryZ270QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I reported it too, but there's only <7 hours left, so I doubt EBay will do anything about it...

[goheat]

Wow, I think this one is close to a new low. Can't even spell 'Stephen' correctly. Ouch! :arg:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Geralds-Game-Stephen-King-signed-book-1992_W0QQitemZ230234249241QQihZ013QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Matt]

:rofl:

There is no "g" in Stephen

[jhanic]

Reported. At least, so far, there are only two bidders.

John

[Hutch]

:rofl:

There is no "g" in Stephen

Been out all day... reported all. Love the " g " in Stephen :nope:

[CRinVA]

All I can say is Wow! (http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-MIST-MOVIE-SCRIPT-SIGNED-BY-STEPHEN-KING-RPT_W0QQitemZ370036725237QQihZ024QQcategoryZ104416 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) That Sig is not even close!

[Bev Vincent]

All I can say is Wow! (http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-MIST-MOVIE-SCRIPT-SIGNED-BY-STEPHEN-KING-RPT_W0QQitemZ370036725237QQihZ024QQcategoryZ104416 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) That Sig is not even close!

And note this from the auction description: "Signatures are preprints taken from our inventory of original signatures." Doesn't that translate to: "fake"

[Matt]

:lol:

In my book it does

[Patrick]

So it is a copy of a fake signature? Oh geez.

[Chooch]

Wow, I think this one is close to a new low. Can't even spell 'Stephen' correctly. Ouch! :arg:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Geralds-Game-Stephen-King-signed-book-1992_W0QQitemZ230234249241QQihZ013QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It looks like a "R" in King also....LOL

[Brice]

So it is a copy of a fake signature? Oh geez.


But, it is an authentic copy of a fake signature.

[alinda]

I come in here from time to time just to check out what you guys are
talking about. I can recall many a time you all agreed that a signature was fake but damn a copy of a fake? I hope no-one buys it! Do you report your suspicions to e-bay then? Wow! Thats a shame.





So it is a copy of a fake signature? Oh geez.

[Patrick]

So it is a copy of a fake signature? Oh geez.


But, it is an authentic copy of a fake signature.
:rofl:

---------

Welcome to the Corner, Alinda. Thanks for stopping by. A number of people here will report fake sigs to eBay. What, if anything, eBay does about it remains open for debate and discussion.

[what]

any thoughts on this? artist signed SoS (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-DARK-TOWER-VI-Song-of-Susannah-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ220217333519QQihZ012QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) - stated trade edition not AE

[namelessnpoor]

any thoughts on this? artist signed SoS (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-DARK-TOWER-VI-Song-of-Susannah-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ220217333519QQihZ012QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) - stated trade edition not AE

It is legitimate, i have bought and sold many books with that seller and he is trust worthy, i also have a copy of that book that i got from him. The artist, Darrel Anderson, obtained 250 trade edition copies and signed themand sold them on his website, so they are not the artsit edition, its a regular 1st edition with his signature, i say its worth the $40 or so he is asking.

[what]

any thoughts on this? artist signed SoS (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-DARK-TOWER-VI-Song-of-Susannah-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ220217333519QQihZ012QQcategoryZ292 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) - stated trade edition not AE

It is legitimate, i have bought and sold many books with that seller and he is trust worthy, i also have a copy of that book that i got from him. The artist, Darrel Anderson, obtained 250 trade edition copies and signed themand sold them on his website, so they are not the artsit edition, its a regular 1st edition with his signature, i say its worth the $40 or so he is asking.

Thanks... I'm learning as i go with this collecting thing!

[Randall Flagg]

It looks like a trade edition that was signed by Anderson. Perhaps he sold some through his website. I am not sure in my mind if that makes it more valuable than the signed AE, although I guess if Anderson only signed 250 this way, it is 'rarer".

[jhanic]

Agreed. Fred (riverlintrader) is a good guy. I've also gotten a number of items from him, including a remarqued Song of Susannah (Taheen).

John

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Riverlintrader is a good seller. I have 3 signed books on their way to me from him right now.

[Rahfa]

It looks like a trade edition that was signed by Anderson. Perhaps he sold some through his website. I am not sure in my mind if that makes it more valuable than the signed AE, although I guess if Anderson only signed 250 this way, it is 'rarer".

Actually, Riverlin (Fred) specifically contracted with Anderson to sell them...I don't have a copy, but he did a pretty good job with the whole presentation.

[goheat]

Ahh, an old scum-seller returns! Such quality fakes, with bleeding ink.

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&satitle=stephen+king&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&saprclo=&saprchi=&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&seller=1&sass=tazzdan1952&fsop=32%26fsoo%3D2&fgtp=

[Hutch]

Ahh, an old scum-seller returns! Such quality fakes, with bleeding ink.

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&dfsp=32&satitle=stephen+king&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&saprclo=&saprchi=&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&seller=1&sass=tazzdan1952&fsop=32%26fsoo%3D2&fgtp=

I reported all of them

[Calla_Wolf]

Same here

[Cutter]

Same here
Ditto

[Calla_Wolf]

One to AVOID (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120245461105&ssPageName=STRK)

Traced - and, unfortunately, they've done a pretty good job of it

[Chooch]

One to AVOID (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120245461105&ssPageName=STRK)

Traced - and, unfortunately, they've done a pretty good job of it

Reported

[Hutch]

One to AVOID (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120245461105&ssPageName=STRK)

Traced - and, unfortunately, they've done a pretty good job of it

as reported in the skfakes forum http://skfakes.proboards46.com/v45index.cgi?action=recent

The Eyes of the Dragon has a serious flaw. Outwardly the signature looks pretty good... the flaw is that it's a 1979 style signature in a 1987 book. AN IMPOSSIBILITY.
When you supersize the image there is some wobble to some of the letters in Jennifer and the "h" in wishes.

[wizardsrainbow]

Not that I was considering the book, but I probably would have been tripped up on this one. Just goes to show you that you have to be pretty careful when buying an inscribed book these days.

[namelessnpoor]

What is the opinion on this signature, the seller should be fine, just wondering why the sig and inscrition are in 2 different pens ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Salems-Lot-Signed-1st-1st-dj-HC-Rare_W0QQitemZ330228384798QQihZ014QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[carlosdetweiller]

What is the opinion on this signature, the seller should be fine, just wondering why the sig and inscrition are in 2 different pens ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Salems-Lot-Signed-1st-1st-dj-HC-Rare_W0QQitemZ330228384798QQihZ014QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My guess is that they were written at different times. I've got a copy of 'SALEM'S LOT with the signature and date (October 17, 1975) written with the same blue ink and in the same location on the page. I think Hutch has one, too. That was around the official release date of the book and I suspect King signed several that way at that time.

Perhaps at some later date King gave one of his signed copies of the book to the library and wrote the dedication at that time. Just a guess.

[Daghain]

Anyone else find it interesting that there is no picture of this signature? And I think it would be worth more:

HC 1st (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SIGNED-BOOK-1st-Dark-Tower-The-Gunslinger_W0QQitemZ130215034730QQihZ003QQcategory Z29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[tippy4]

There is a picture of the signature.

It's on a bookplate.

[wizardsrainbow]

What do you think of this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/wizard1.jpg

[Hutch]

What do you think of this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/wizard1.jpg

What signature?

[Hutch]

What is the opinion on this signature, the seller should be fine, just wondering why the sig and inscrition are in 2 different pens ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Salems-Lot-Signed-1st-1st-dj-HC-Rare_W0QQitemZ330228384798QQihZ014QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My guess is that they were written at different times. I've got a copy of 'SALEM'S LOT with the signature and date (October 17, 1975) written with the same blue ink and in the same location on the page. I think Hutch has one, too. That was around the official release date of the book and I suspect King signed several that way at that time.

Perhaps at some later date King gave one of his signed copies of the book to the library and wrote the dedication at that time. Just a guess.

I agree with Bob, I think both the inscription and signature are authentic although placed in the book at different times with different pens. Both do match his handwriting from the same period ( circa 1975 ).

[wizardsrainbow]

What do you think of this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/wizard1.jpg

What signature?

Thanks. I suspected as much. True signed trade editions of Wizard & Glass are quite rare. The one I own I bought from you, inscribed to KelLee Larson (Susan's handwriting in the story), formerly of Grant books.

BTW, is that a picture of YOU in your sig?

[jhanic]

What do you think of this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/wizard1.jpg

What signature?

Wiz, I think he's referring to the fact that the picture of the signature isn't showing up. At least on my browser.

John

[wizardsrainbow]

What do you think of this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/wizard1.jpg

What signature?

Wiz, I think he's referring to the fact that the picture of the signature isn't showing up. At least on my browser.

John

oh, I can see it on my screen. hmmmm

[turtlex]

Wiz - Yeah, I can't see it either. But I trust you all :D.

PS : Cool Hand Luke in HD last weekend. Sa-weet !

[wizardsrainbow]

try this

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/wizard1.jpg

[turtlex]

Now that, I see!

Edited to Add - Actually now I can see them all.

It's magic!

[jhanic]

I can see them all now.

I think one thing that bothers me about the signature is the lines on either side of the "g" in King. I don't think I've ever see that before.

John

[Hutch]

What do you think of this signature?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/519/wizard1.jpg

What signature?

Thanks. I suspected as much. True signed trade editions of Wizard & Glass are quite rare. The one I own I bought from you, inscribed to KelLee Larson (Susan's handwriting in the story), formerly of Grant books.

BTW, is that a picture of YOU in your sig?


I don't like the signature at all. I hope it's not one you've already purchased.

And yes that is me in the signature...The look on my face is the one I carry with me all winter here in Minnesota. I'm 50 now I wonder how stern and miserable I'll look at 60.

[wizardsrainbow]

Dave-

Thankfully, no I do not own it. It is on eBay (one of those long-term BIN or make an offer auctions). It was up with no picture. I emailed the seller and they added the picture right away. I didn't like it too much either. If it had been a good one, I'd have paid the BIN price of $295, but as it is not, I will leave it alone.

Thanks for the input. And...my mind's eye did not picture you with as beard.

[Daghain]

There is a picture of the signature.

It's on a bookplate.

Man, how the heck did I miss that? My bad.

I see it's up to $102.50 now.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

This thread can be removed at a later date but need help right now.

I couldn't make the King signing in DC so I was very excited to buy a stated first edition Duma Key off Ebay. In fact, I even sent a second email having the person verify it was a first edition before I bought it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330229955304&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=014

I received the book yesterday and it counts down to the number 2. This person is arguing with me and this is her statement:

Dear mulleins,

I fully understand of the numbers and how to determine a first
edition. This is different though. The book does in fact say that
it is a first edition in print. Secondly, I received this book the
day it first came out, out of Stephen King's hand. If you would
like, I can send you verification, stating it is in fact a first
edition.

- coffeeinbed


I've asked this person to come to this site to get help understanding that it is in fact a 2nd print.

I'm trying real hard not to go through Ebay and Paypal with this issue.

Any help with this person would be greatly appreciated.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Duma Key 1st Edition copyright page states:
First Scribner hardcover edition January, 2008
Full number line:
1 3 5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2

The one you have been sold is a 2nd impression. This is not what you bid on. She answered your question incorrectly, and needs to give you your money back.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

This thread can be removed at a later date but need help right now.

I couldn't make the King signing in DC so I was very excited to buy a stated first edition Duma Key off Ebay. In fact, I even sent a second email having the person verify it was a first edition before I bought it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330229955304&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=014

I received the book yesterday and it counts down to the number 2. This person is arguing with me and this is her statement:

Dear mulleins,

I fully understand of the numbers and how to determine a first
edition. This is different though. The book does in fact say that
it is a first edition in print. Secondly, I received this book the
day it first came out, out of Stephen King's hand. If you would
like, I can send you verification, stating it is in fact a first
edition.

- coffeeinbed


I've asked this person to come to this site to get help understanding that it is in fact a 2nd print.

I'm trying real hard not to go through Ebay and Paypal with this issue.

Any help with this person would be greatly appreciated.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

One more thing. Before I used the buy it now feature I asked the following question and received an answer:

Question & Answer Answered On

Q: Hello coffeeinbed I'm interested in your signed copy of Duma Key however I want to make sure it is a true First Edition and not a 2nd or 3rd print. Mulleins Apr-20-08
A: Yes it is. I tried taking a photograph to verify it, but I couldn't zoom in enough to make it legible. It is in-fact a First Edition.

[Randall Flagg]

The book is a second print.
Technically it is a First Edition, second printing, but collectors know that when a person ask "Is it a first edition?", that would mean a full numberline.
Since you asked them to confirm it was not a 2nd or 3rd "print", you made it clear what you were looking for.
No offense to the person, but a King signed 2nd Print Duma Key is worth quite a bit less than a King signed 1st/1st Duma Key. I'd say less than half what you paid.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

The book is a second print.
Technically it is a First Edition, second printing, but collectors know that when a person ask "Is it a first edition?", that would mean a full numberline.
Since you asked them to confirm it was not a 2nd or 3rd "print", you made it clear what you were looking for.
No offense to the person, but a King signed 2nd Print Duma Key is worth quite a bit less than a King signed 1st/1st Duma Key. I'd say less than half what you paid.

Thanks RF,

I'm trying real hard to get this person to come over here and see this information. I did make it very clear in my question "comfirming it was not a 2nd or 3rd print.

This is becoming a $250 nightmare. I was so excited to get the book because I couldn't attend the event.

Anyway, thanks again.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[EXPLORER]

THERE WERE VALID DUMA KEY 1ST EDITION, 1ST PRINTINGS UP AT THE TIME OF THIS LISTING WHICH SPECIFIED THE NUMBERLINE 13579108642 .
YOUR seller was asked questions and chose to remain ignorant.
Sarasota News and Books had signed 1st edition 2nd printings on sale in their store prior to an event they sponsored. Mr King had come in and signed several. I know as I obtained a few. I kept going back and buying some hoping to come across a 1st, 1st . I did find one there. LATER At the event , There were flat-signed firsts available 1st edition, 1st printings. I grabbed whatever I could there . http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080328/NEWS/803280336 YOUR SELLER MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCE...BUT SHOULD BE

[Matt]

Very interesting information here. And I am glad I'm reading it because its important to clarify the editions I have for the giveaway in the description for them.

Its being given away so not a big deal but I want to make sure people know what they are getting.

So what if your signed copy of Duma Key's number line says...

3 5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2

[jhanic]

So what if your signed copy of Duma Key's number line says...

3 5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2

This means that your signed copy is a First Edition/Second Printing. This and subsequent printings, although they are listed as "First Editions", are worth considerably less that the true First Edition/First Printing. I'd say the difference between a signed 1st/1st and a signed 1st/2nd would be at least $100-$150.

John

[EXPLORER]

There are always those who are thrilled to obtain there first signed book whatever it is....as witnessed by those who bring paper backs or book club editions to signings.......
However the major COLLECTOR is another animal and seeks the grail.
the finest they can find and afford (or not)

Hail to all realms of fandom.

[Matt]

So what if your signed copy of Duma Key's number line says...

3 5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2

This means that your signed copy is a First Edition/Second Printing. This and subsequent printings, although they are listed as "First Editions", are worth considerably less that the true First Edition/First Printing. I'd say the difference between a signed 1st/1st and a signed 1st/2nd would be at least $100-$150.

John

Thanks John, that makes a lot of sense.


There are always those who are thrilled to obtain there first signed book whatever it is....as witnessed by those who bring paper backs or book club editions to signings.......
However the major COLLECTOR is another animal and seeks the grail.
the finest they can find and afford (or not)

Hail to all realms of fandom.

I totally agree. Your rank and file King fan would basically pee themselves to have a signed first in any printing. :lol:

I know I did.

[NeedfulKings]

I hope it works out for you. It's clearly a 2nd printing. The seller sounded VERY certain that it was a First Edition, so either they have a misunderstanding of how to grade a First, or they were hoping to deceive.

Question (since I don't own the book): Does the copyright page use the exact words "First Edition?" Viking doesn't, but some others (Harper, etc.) will use those words, regarldess of the number line.

[Matt]

The one I have says...

First Scribner Hard Cover Edition-2008

[Room 217 Caretaker]

I hope it works out for you. It's clearly a 2nd printing. The seller sounded VERY certain that it was a First Edition, so either they have a misunderstanding of how to grade a First, or they were hoping to deceive.

Question (since I don't own the book): Does the copyright page use the exact words "First Edition?" Viking doesn't, but some others (Harper, etc.) will use those words, regarldess of the number line.

Mine has First Scribner Hard Cover Edition-2008

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Chooch]

I hope it works out for you. It's clearly a 2nd printing. The seller sounded VERY certain that it was a First Edition, so either they have a misunderstanding of how to grade a First, or they were hoping to deceive.

Question (since I don't own the book): Does the copyright page use the exact words "First Edition?" Viking doesn't, but some others (Harper, etc.) will use those words, regarldess of the number line.

Mine has First Scribner Hard Cover Edition-2008

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Mine also says First Scribner Hardcover Edition 2008 with a number line starting with 1

[jhanic]

The number line is the key.

John

[Room 217 Caretaker]

The number line is the key.

John

You are very correct. I'm having a hard time getting this seller to understand that.

The seller stopped all communications with me so they left me no choice but to file through Paypal.

I even told the seller I would take the book at $100 if he/she would refund the rest to my Paypal account. No response. It's up to Paypal now.

:pullhair: :panic: :pullhair: :arg:

Sorry everyone.....Please ignore me......I'm just venting

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Matt]

I think its total bullcrap Mulleins <_<

[jhanic]

Ralph, you sound like you've done everything correctly. Good luck!

John

[Patrick]

You are in the right, Ralph. Good luck.

[shnnrc01]

MULLEINS,IT IS A TOTAL PISSER WHEN THAT HAPPENS.HOPE YOU DO GET TO KEEP THE BOOK AND SHE REFUNDS YOU THE REST.IT WOULD BE THE BEST OUTCOME HUH?THEN YOU WOULD HAVE $150 TO START THE SEARCH AGAIN FOR A TRUE 1ST.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

MULLEINS,IT IS A TOTAL PISSER WHEN THAT HAPPENS.HOPE YOU DO GET TO KEEP THE BOOK AND SHE REFUNDS YOU THE REST.IT WOULD BE THE BEST OUTCOME HUH?THEN YOU WOULD HAVE $150 TO START THE SEARCH AGAIN FOR A TRUE 1ST.

Thanks shnnrc01

It's in the hands of the Paypal gods.

:scared: Well, that about sums that up :doh:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Chooch]

Vent away Ralph...it'll help calm your shootin' hand :shoot:

Keep your chin up and it will resolve itself as it will..like you said." In the hands of the PayPal Gods"

[Ricky]

Send the sparrows on 'em! :shoot:

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Any opinions on:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wizard-and-Glass-by-Dave-McKean-Stephen-King-1997_W0QQitemZ330232491230QQihZ014QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It's been a while since we've had a contestant on the Ebay BS Game.

Let me know if we need call him down to play :)

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Randall Flagg]

I think it's a very good fake-except the "S" sucks.

[Matt]

Going cheap it looks like. Is the bidding price alone enough to basically assume its a fake? Seems like something like that would start higher.

The book without a sig is worth 10 bucks I would think. :lol:

[jhanic]

The top of the "g" in King doesn't look quite right, either.

John

[tippy4]

No doubt that it is a fake....and the same seller also has a DT3 with a fake signature for sale as well.

The Waste Lands with Forged Signature (http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Wastelands-by-Stephen-King-1991-SIGNED-1ST-ED_W0QQitemZ330232490034QQihZ014QQcategoryZ377QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[Patrick]

... The book without a sig is worth 10 bucks I would think...Sadly a Grant 1st Edition of W&G would be worth more than ten bucks (without the fake sig), although I don't know what the going rate is in the current market.

They sure ruined a good book.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Any opinions on:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wizard-and-Glass-by-Dave-McKean-Stephen-King-1997_W0QQitemZ330232491230QQihZ014QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It's been a while since we've had a contestant on the Ebay BS Game.

Let me know if we need call him down to play :)

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

I've tried to report this to Ebay but having difficulty. Ebay keeps asking for a legit Ebay Item Number. I put in what they have listed.

Anyone else try to report this auction with the same issue?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[jhanic]

I just reported it with no problem.

John

[Brice]

I reported it and had no problems doing so.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Any opinions on:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wizard-and-Glass-by-Dave-McKean-Stephen-King-1997_W0QQitemZ330232491230QQihZ014QQcategoryZ377QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It's been a while since we've had a contestant on the Ebay BS Game.

Let me know if we need call him down to play :)

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

I've tried to report this to Ebay but having difficulty. Ebay keeps asking for a legit Ebay Item Number. I put in what they have listed.

Anyone else try to report this auction with the same issue?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

It worked this time.

:doh: Not sure what the problem was.

It's reported now.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Chooch]

Reported...No Problem

[Ricky]

It's definitely a fake--that "S" is terrible. Also, SK writes his signature on more of a slant.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

This thread can be removed at a later date but need help right now.

I couldn't make the King signing in DC so I was very excited to buy a stated first edition Duma Key off Ebay. In fact, I even sent a second email having the person verify it was a first edition before I bought it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330229955304&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=014

I received the book yesterday and it counts down to the number 2. This person is arguing with me and this is her statement:

Dear mulleins,

I fully understand of the numbers and how to determine a first
edition. This is different though. The book does in fact say that
it is a first edition in print. Secondly, I received this book the
day it first came out, out of Stephen King's hand. If you would
like, I can send you verification, stating it is in fact a first
edition.

- coffeeinbed


I've asked this person to come to this site to get help understanding that it is in fact a 2nd print.

I'm trying real hard not to go through Ebay and Paypal with this issue.

Any help with this person would be greatly appreciated.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA


OK....:panic: :panic: :orely:

The seller, instead of trying to work something out, escalated the claim for Paypal to decide. When you read her response, check out the Hutch reference and Thomas reference from stephenkingcollector.com

From Seller: Elizabeth Albers on 4/30/2008 15:28 PDT
Mulleins...."Make sure you read all the details. I know you have been told this before but keep in mind some of the experience I have had. Be sure you ask outright any question you have. Mostly keep in mind the details you need to know about the book is it's outward conditioning, the numbers and info necessary on the copyright page (cp) to determine first editions. You also need to know whether or not the dust cover comes with it." E-mail from collector: "While a SK signature does usually add $250-$300 to the value of the book, in this case you'd have to see what a signed 1st edition, 1st printing is going for and set that as the "standard" price. "Then take a less desirable edition and subtract something from that.... The question is how much to subtract? Since Duma Key had a large print run, the majority of the value is in the signature itself. I would say a 2nd printing with SK's signature would go for between 85-90% of what a 1st printing would go for....Certainly it would not lower the value to $100 on the open market." From http://home.earthlink.net/~dhutch57/ "Stephen King does and has done relatively few book signings. History has proven King's authentically signed books are worth much more than lead to believe at auction. "For newer titles we feel their value is somewhere between $225 and $400. Some of them are worth even more if there were very few or not any scheduled signings." From http://stephenkingcollector.com/faq.html "I have a regular copy of "insert title here" signed by SK, how much is it worth?
A genuine Stephen King signature usualy adds between $250-$300 to the value of any book. So add that ammount to the value of your regular book (probably not much, especially if it's a paperback or book club)"

You stated in one of your messages to me via Ebay that a First Edition/1st print is worth about $300 and a First Edition/2nd print is worth about $100. You purchased the book for $250. I did my research last night and found that $300 is a fair estimate for the value of a 1st/1st – I based this on other auctions on Ebay. However, your estimate of $100 for a First Edition/2nd print is ludicrous. In my research, Stephen King's autograph on a book bumps the value up by $225-400. The value of the book itself is $28, without an autograph.

:nope: :nope: :nope:

I'm going to ask Hutch and Thomas to help with this if they will. Paypal said they don't have a problem asking for outside help in settling a dispute. My Paypal contact was very interested in the fact that I was trying hard to get the seller to come to this site and post this issue with people like Thomas and Dave at www.thedarktower.org to help her make a more informed decision. I clearly asked her not to sell me a 2nd or 3rd print in the auction. I got a 2nd print.


Not sure what's going to happen.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Randall Flagg]

I will let (presuming he chooses to do so) Hutch provide expert opinion on this, but as someone who has purchased a signed 1st/1st Duma Key, I think the value of a signed 1st/1st is very close to $250. That's what I paid for mine, that's what you paid for what you thought was a 1st/1st for yours.
A signed 1st/2nd printing is-to me worth ~$100, in fact I wouldn't PAY that as I would never buy a signed Duma Key that was a 2nd printing.
If the buyer truly feels the book is worth much more than that, why don't they refund your money upon return of the book and list it for sale again?

[Room 217 Caretaker]

It's definitely a fake--that "S" is terrible. Also, SK writes his signature on more of a slant.

Anyone here ever see Steve do his g like this ?:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Autographed-Dolores-Claiborne-Book-RARE_W0QQitemZ110248336019QQihZ001QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Just curious.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[jhanic]

No.

John

[Matt]

Its amazing how much effort people put into something like that. Just the whole ad...everything.

"One of the worlds most reclusive authors" :lol:

[Fsmdr]

I agree with Randall. The fact that the seller did intentionally mislead you regarding the printing of the book, it would be a waste of your time, IMO, to try to make them see the point in light or any other partial settlement regarding the transaction.

[Patrick]

I will let (presuming he chooses to do so) Hutch provide expert opinion on this, but ... I think the value of a signed 1st/1st is very close to $250. ... A signed 1st/2nd printing is-to me worth ~$100 ... If the buyer truly feels the book is worth much more than that, why don't they refund your money upon return of the book and list it for sale again?From what I've seen in the marketplace, RF is spot-on.

[Matt]

I'll throw in my two cents from the perspective of someone who doesn't do this often.

I think if you are going to post a signed collectible on Ebay you need to be very up on exactly what it is. Collectors don't play around with this kind of thing and what King's signature may be "worth" is different with each buyer.

So in the end, if you are asked flat out if the item being sold is a 1st/1st then you should be honest on the answer. Even if it doesn't sell.

If you don't know the answer, the auction needs to be pulled until you have a chance to do some research.

[Patrick]

Well stated, Matt. :thumbsup:

[Patrick]

This logic has been bothering me.

"... in this case you'd have to see what a signed 1st edition, 1st printing is going for and set that as the "standard" price. "Then take a less desirable edition and subtract something from that.... The question is how much to subtract? Since Duma Key had a large print run, the majority of the value is in the signature itself. I would say a 2nd printing with SK's signature would go for between 85-90% of what a 1st printing would go for.... Certainly it would not lower the value to $100 on the open market."

Yes, exactly, there was a huge first print run. The flaw in the logic here is the assumption that that fact is working for the seller, when in actuality it is working against the seller.

The seller is correct that the book printing, in and of itself, is not where the value lies. But the seller is incorrect in the assumption that that translates to the combination of the book printing and a signature. Given the quantity, alone the printing doesn't matter, but combined with a signature, the printing matters very much.

Collectors are choosy about what printing they buy signed, and 1st printings of Duma Key are easy to come by, so the demand does not overshadow the supply. Why buy a signed 2nd when you can easily buy a signed 1st? You wouldn't, unless you were paying a lot less for the 2nd. Thus there is a big disparity in the marketplace for signed copies of different printings of this book, just as there are for books with smaller first printings.

[namelessnpoor]

I'll just chime in with what i paid for my 1st/1st signed Duma Key. I posted a picture of it in the your new pride and joy thread. I got mine for what i consider a very good and somewhat low price of $225, i know i looked at many that were $299, $250 even as high as $400. I could of bought a signed 2nd and almost did from Shibus for $125, thats what he was asking for it on ebay and it didn't even sell. I think he has listed it at least twice with no sale.
So the print run certainly affects the price and the desirability of the book.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Thanks everyone. I'm waiting on my turn to tell my side of the story to Paypal.

I'm hoping to get the Paypal contact assigned to this escalation to visit our site and discuss this with everyone. I've already given a win win situation idea to Paypal by having the seller put the money back in my account, I'll send the book back to her, she can resell it on Ebay (hopefully with a better understanding of what she has this time) and everyone wins. Including Ebay again for another sell :)

Anyway, thanks again for all the support. Hopefully I won't get screwed on this.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Calla_Wolf]

It's definitely a fake--that "S" is terrible. Also, SK writes his signature on more of a slant.

Anyone here ever see Steve do his g like this ?:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Autographed-Dolores-Claiborne-Book-RARE_W0QQitemZ110248336019QQihZ001QQcategoryZ29223 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Just curious.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Sucks

And even if it were genuine, what an absurd price.

Ebay is becoming a wasteland of wankers - present company excluded, of course