The eBay BS Game: Questionable items, Stephen King signatures, sellers

[carlosdetweiller]

Let me rephrase my thoughts and perhaps better explain my point of view. There are plenty of legit King signatures on later printings and other off beat anthologies. But when I see a suspicious or iffy signature on such a book it makes me even more suspicious that it is forged. One more black mark in my mind in deciding if real or fake.

[Rahfa]

That's totally true...I was focused on the possibiltiy of a real signature being a later edition...but obviously within the context of this likely fake, it makes sense that the forger would take the risk with a worthless edition and not an actual first.

[Ben Staad]

So what do you think real or fake?
http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb387/tampatim2003/SKSignature.jpg

It's from a Phil Hale print from Insomnia that I bought recently. I think it looks good but you guys (and gals) have been looking at these a lot longer then me.

[ELazansky]

Those are real - Glimmer Graphics was selling a bunch of extras that he had - a lot of us here bought one.

[The Library Policeman]

Yep. Authentic. I got one as well. :thumbsup:

[Ben Staad]

That's good news! The guy I was dealing with seemed really cool so I'm glad these are legit. By the way he has a few more of these up on EBAY now. Thanks for the replies.

[Stockerlone]

Hope..... this time one of them is mine:nana:

[biomieg]

I have one too. I think he sold at least twenty of them the last time they were listed.

[namelessnpoor]

What do you guys think of this, they swear its real, its suspect to me but i have been offered a a better price on it then the auction price, Just not sure if its waste.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220749177788&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[jhanic]

I'd say it's fake.

John

[Randall Flagg]

I think it's interesting the Stephen, and Steve both signed a book to Lydia on 9/9/1979.

[carlosdetweiller]

What do you guys think of this, they swear its real, its suspect to me but i have been offered a a better price on it then the auction price, Just not sure if its waste.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220749177788&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I glanced at it earlier this morning and thought it was OK.

I am not seeing the other copy though that they say has the same inscription. Can someone post a link to that?

[Randall Flagg]

Here are both images, followed by the auction links:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8127/kingsigshining.jpghttp://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7305/kingsalemslotsig.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-The-Shining-SIGNED-1ST-ED_W0QQitemZ320496458610QQcategoryZ29223QQcmdZView ItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu %3DUCI%26otn%3D2%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D75 08846837277706397
http://cgi.ebay.com/Salems-Lot-Stephen-King-SIGNED-Later-Ed_W0QQitemZ220749177788QQcategoryZ29223QQcmdZView ItemQQ_trksidZp3286.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26itu %3DUCI%26otn%3D2%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D75 08841732709282474

[Room 217 Caretaker]

And two different pens :orely:

[carlosdetweiller]

I think they are both good.

[Rahfa]

I'd say good. I'm suspicious NOW, but if I saw those independently of this site I wouldn't question either of them.

I have a Dead Zone signed on the same day (or 9/12/79 or something) and that's what it looks like.

[sentinel]

It's legit, I've got a Salem's Lot signed that day also and I got it from the guy who got it signed.

[Randall Flagg]

Just a guess on my part, but on Sunday 9/9/1979 King was a bit in his cups when he signed book(s)-to Lydia or anyone else.

[Randall Flagg]

<-----------------Realizes that Bob has either acquired, will acquire, and has or will cataloged every King signature that has hit the net.
:rock:

[carlosdetweiller]

<-----------------Realizes that Bob has either acquired, will acquire, and has or will cataloged every King signature that has hit the net.
:rock:

No, I don't have any saved on my computer. I think Hutch does though.

[biomieg]

What do you guys think of this, they swear its real, its suspect to me but i have been offered a a better price on it then the auction price, Just not sure if its waste.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220749177788&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I inquired about this book as well and the seller offered to sell it to me outside eBay for $2000 but when I told him that was insane he was also willing to take $400. Are you saying he offered it to you for less than the auction price?

Oh and just in case anyone was wondering: the DJ flap has 'Father Callahan' so it's not a 1st state DJ (which actually was my main reason for inquiring about the book - hey, you never know!).

[namelessnpoor]

What do you guys think of this, they swear its real, its suspect to me but i have been offered a a better price on it then the auction price, Just not sure if its waste.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220749177788&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I inquired about this book as well and the seller offered to sell it to me outside eBay for $2000 but when I told him that was insane he was also willing to take $400. Are you saying he offered it to you for less than the auction price?

Oh and just in case anyone was wondering: the DJ flap has 'Father Callahan' so it's not a 1st state DJ (which actually was my main reason for inquiring about the book - hey, you never know!).

Yeah, the person is a bit strange, they have it listed for $199.99. I made them an offer based off the $199.99 and they countered with with $1500.00 !! WTF. So i asked did you mean $150.00 ? they then told me my offer was insulting and they had already been offered $400.00, so ireally have no idea what price they want. I think their auction price is wrong and they don't realize it, i think they possibly belive they listed it at 1999.99 and not 199.99, but thats just a guess.

[namelessnpoor]

So what would you all value this book? has a 3rd state jacket, later prinitng (doesn't specify) and a sig that soe say is ok and others say no about. Still considering it as i know someone who would enjoy owning it, and they are not concerned about 1st editions.

[Randall Flagg]

$50-$75

[carlosdetweiller]

$50-$75

I think I would value it quite a bit more than that. The dust jacket alone (3rd State, Father Callahan) is worth something. The seller says it is "perfect" and I am waiting on photos. My darned ISP has been down with regards to e-mail for nearly 48 hours so I can't get any real info or pictures.

[carlosdetweiller]

Well, I don't know what I was thinking. The dust jacket is not a 3rd state which would have the unclipped price of $7.95 and Father Callahan. This dj has a price of $8.95 which would be a still later printing.

[biomieg]

Yes. I saw the $8.95 price and hoped (one can always hope) that it was a 1st state DJ. It's not, because it says 'Father Callahan'. The plot thickens, by the way - I asked the seller if the copyright page had a 'First Edition' statement and if the gutter code was present in the inner margin of p. 439 and the seller replied that 'there is no copyright page, therefore it's a BCE' and that 'the book only goes to page 409'.

I won't be bidding.

[namelessnpoor]

Well, I don't know what I was thinking. The dust jacket is not a 3rd state which would have the unclipped price of $7.95 and Father Callahan. This dj has a price of $8.95 which would be a still later printing.

I have the hardest time getting that reply with quote to work !! Anyways your right Bob, my mistake, mixed up my facts, glad you corrected that about the DJ. I was really only interested for the jacket, so i guess no need to even bother with it now. Especially since the seller is so weird about the price, they offered it to me at $150 originally, then said i insulted them with my offer. When i emailed again today asking what they wanted for the book, i got a response of $250. So I am at a loss as to what hey actually think its worth or even want for it.

[Brice]

Well, I don't know what I was thinking. The dust jacket is not a 3rd state which would have the unclipped price of $7.95 and Father Callahan. This dj has a price of $8.95 which would be a still later printing.

I have the hardest time getting that reply with quote to work !! Anyways your right Bob, my mistake, mixed up my facts, glad you corrected that about the DJ. I was really only interested for the jacket, so i guess no need to even bother with it now. Especially since the seller is so weird about the price, they offered it to me at $150 originally, then said i insulted them with my offer. When i emailed again today asking what they wanted for the book, i got a response of $250. So I am at a loss as to what hey actually think its worth or even want for it.


You should be able to just click the button that says "reply with quote" at the bottom right of any post to quote it. If you click the button right of that button on multiple posts and then the "reply with quote" button you can also quote as many posts as you like to respond to. :)

[namelessnpoor]

I wish it were that simple, sometimes it works fine for me, other times it seems to get stuck thinking about it (freezes up) ! Not sure why but it has always done that to me, My computer isn't some old POS either, its a fairly expensive new computer !

[biomieg]

Maybe try a different browser? I use Firefox and have none of the issues that people have reported so far.

[Gmailman]

Maybe try a different browser? I use Firefox and have none of the issues that people have reported so far.

I am unable to duplicate the problem using IE and Firefox.

[oy-the-brave]

I wish it were that simple, sometimes it works fine for me, other times it seems to get stuck thinking about it (freezes up) ! Not sure why but it has always done that to me, My computer isn't some old POS either, its a fairly expensive new computer !

This is a known problem, happens to me almost all the time, you just need to click the "reply or reply with quote" button multiple times fast and it will work.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Bad Bad Bad....what are these people thinking?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Thinner-signed-Stephen-King-bookclub-edition-/260753073118?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item3cb61823de

[CRinVA]

Zero Feedback; $500??? Signed Book Club Edition!

You can't enlarge the pic, but even itty bitty it looks pretty dam bad! Not just flatsigned either! Laughable

Obvious fake! Obvious scam!

And yet there are plenty of people out there that will take it for granted and perhaps buy this fake!

Any serious collector will pass - and serious collector does not necessarily mean someone who roams around this message board!

It could be someone thinking about collecting and ready to pull the trigger on a first major purchase.

Its a shame though!

[Ric]

Wow, that's one of the worst fakes I've ever seen! They didn't even TRY to get the signature right! :nope:

[Brice]

This is a case where I wish the picture were smaller instead of bigger...much much smaller.

[WeDealInLead]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Signed-Copy-Stephen-Kings-Salems-Lot-Illustrated-/260759952070?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3cb6811ac6

this book is signed. by someone.

[jhanic]

Reported.

John

[olverts]

He have another one for sale too http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260759958865&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[CRinVA]

Wow he sold a cujo signed for $200 aznd a Christine signed for $300. At least those two sigs were not as blatently bad as the two linked to above.

[Ric]

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-EVERYTHINGS-EVENTUAL-SIGNED-RARE-HC-FIRST-/130502742425?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item1e6291d199

:angry:

Geez, they're not even trying anymore...

[Tito_Villa]

Could i please have opinions on this signature http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390301496209&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123

[jhanic]

It's been pulled.

John

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

It was a bad fake anyway.

[Tito_Villa]

Thought so, the seller has pulled it because i told her it was a fake.
She still doens't believe me and said that i should be sorry when it was proved legit!

[Ari_Racing]

Alright...
what's the deal about this?

http://www.stephenkinglibrary.com/pages/nm/enrollment/enrollStep1.jsp?_requestid=63712

I don't understand...can I just purchase one book and get that stuff for free? Or do I have to sign up? If I have to sign up, I can't understand what and how much do I have to pay.

Sorry!

[Randall Flagg]

It is a book club. You have to read the "small print" for pricing and obligation:

Receive Full Dark, No Stars for a FREE 20 day, no risk examination, along with your FREE Gifts, The Stephen King Library Desk Calendar 2011 and a Bonus Book Light, with membership. Send no money now. After 20 days, you will be billed $7.99 (plus shipping and processing, and sales tax if applicable) if you do not return the book. If you choose to return Full Dark, No Stars, your subscription will be canceled automatically and you will be under no further obligation. The FREE Gifts are yours to keep. Membership is subject to approval. Members accepted in the U.S.A. Some members may be asked to prepay for this and future orders until payment history is established.
You may also purchase an additional book now for $4.99 (plus shipping & processing and applicable taxes).

Once your membership is confirmed, you will receive a list of titles on which you can indicate the Stephen King books you want to receive in the future. These books will be automatically sent to you approximately every six weeks and may be reviewed for 20 days with no obligation to purchase. When a brand new Stephen King book becomes available, we will send you that book for your 20-day review, and then resume sending selections from your list. For each book you decide to keep you will be billed $14.95 (plus shipping & processing, and sales tax if applicable). You have no obligation to purchase any other books, and you may cancel your membership at any time. Club editions are full-length books, sometimes changed in size to save you more.

If your book is delayed and you have less than 20 days to reply, you may return any unwanted books at our expense, and we’ll credit your account.

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[Ric]

Can everyone please report this seller. He is selling BLATANT FORGERIES.

http://shop.ebay.com/brennan2984/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562

[Fsmdr]

What do you guys think about this?. The signature looks rather 'off' to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Dark-Tower-IV-Signed-1st-Edition-/330548300991?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item4cf636ccbf

[Room 217 Caretaker]

What do you guys think about this?. The signature looks rather 'off' to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Dark-Tower-IV-Signed-1st-Edition-/330548300991?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item4cf636ccbf

I don't like any of the signatures that seller is offering. My opinion, someone just ruined some expensive books.

Again, my opinion

Mulleins

[Tito_Villa]

I think its a fake

[Room 217 Caretaker]

What do you guys think about this?. The signature looks rather 'off' to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Dark-Tower-IV-Signed-1st-Edition-/330548300991?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item4cf636ccbf

I don't like any of the signatures that seller is offering. My opinion, someone just ruined some expensive books.

Again, my opinion

Mulleins

The signed DT book you purchased from him is fine. I just don't like the others he is offering.

[namelessnpoor]

Can everyone please report this seller. He is selling BLATANT FORGERIES.

http://shop.ebay.com/brennan2984/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562


I reported them also, also sent the seller a short message just letting them know that the sigs were most likely fakes and they should do the right thing and pull the auctions. It was not well taken, i recieved a message back, telling me i was wrong and that all the sigs were real because the person they bought them from told them so. They said they purchased 400 books from a lady named Sue in Dexter, Maine and that she was friends with Stephen King and he had signed her entire collection for her. The seller said they paid $18,000 for all 400 books and would be listing all of them on ebay over the next few months or so. I was also informed I was not allowed to bid on them ! :cry:

[carlosdetweiller]

What do you guys think about this?. The signature looks rather 'off' to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Dark-Tower-IV-Signed-1st-Edition-/330548300991?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item4cf636ccbf

It looks a lot 'off' to me. I agree.

[Ari_Racing]

Thanks Jerome for the info. :)

[WeDealInLead]

Can everyone please report this seller. He is selling BLATANT FORGERIES.

http://shop.ebay.com/brennan2984/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562


I reported them also, also sent the seller a short message just letting them know that the sigs were most likely fakes and they should do the right thing and pull the auctions. It was not well taken, i recieved a message back, telling me i was wrong and that all the sigs were real because the person they bought them from told them so. They said they purchased 400 books from a lady named Sue in Dexter, Maine and that she was friends with Stephen King and he had signed her entire collection for her. The seller said they paid $18,000 for all 400 books and would be listing all of them on ebay over the next few months or so. I was also informed I was not allowed to bid on them ! :cry:

To be honest, they looked alright to me.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

What do you guys think about this?. The signature looks rather 'off' to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Dark-Tower-IV-Signed-1st-Edition-/330548300991?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item4cf636ccbf

I don't like it, especially the pause in the loop. I also don't like the placement on the page.

[namelessnpoor]

Can everyone please report this seller. He is selling BLATANT FORGERIES.

http://shop.ebay.com/brennan2984/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562


I reported them also, also sent the seller a short message just letting them know that the sigs were most likely fakes and they should do the right thing and pull the auctions. It was not well taken, i recieved a message back, telling me i was wrong and that all the sigs were real because the person they bought them from told them so. They said they purchased 400 books from a lady named Sue in Dexter, Maine and that she was friends with Stephen King and he had signed her entire collection for her. The seller said they paid $18,000 for all 400 books and would be listing all of them on ebay over the next few months or so. I was also informed I was not allowed to bid on them ! :cry:

To be honest, they looked alright to me.

Maybe they are, maybe i should just mind my own business next time! don't think i will be reporting anymore items, just casuing my self trouble.

[Randall Flagg]

I wouldn't want it for free.

[Ric]

Not a chance. Look closer. They're forgeries. Good ones but very easy to spot if you've seen King's signature as much as I have.

[Ric]

He's back.....

http://shop.ebay.com/brennan2984/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562

Everyone PLEASE REPORT HIM!

[Tito_Villa]

Reported all of them :)

[Tito_Villa]

Haha this guy is convinced that they are legit, i told him that they were fake and his reply ... if i send any more messages i will reported for harrasment ... so yes you guesed it i sent another message :)
We need as many people as possible to report these books!!!!

[Tito_Villa]

Haha this guy is convinced that they are legit, i told him that they were fake and his reply ... if i send any more messages i will reported for harrasment ... so yes you guesed it i sent another message :)
We need as many people as possible to report these books!!!!

[harrison ryan]

I reported them, too. He should be banned.

[sleeplessdwarf]

I'm no good on spotting legit sigs, so I always come here. Is the King sig good? http://cgi.ebay.com/Carrie-Signed-Script-X5-Stephen-King-Sissy-Spacek-reprt-/280643501992?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4157a7ffa8

[Robert Fulman]

I would first say, "No", just because I would wonder when Stephen King would have sat down to sign this. Also, the "reprt" in the auction title almost definitely refers to the signatiures being "reprints" (i.e., "copies").

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I'm no good on spotting legit sigs, so I always come here. Is the King sig good? http://cgi.ebay.com/Carrie-Signed-Script-X5-Stephen-King-Sissy-Spacek-reprt-/280643501992?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4157a7ffa8

No. Don't waste your money on these so-called scripts.

[Robert Fulman]

Just noticed right in the text of the auction: "Please note this entire script and cover are preprints."

[jhanic]

I agree with Mr. RT, don't waste your money on these. They've been around on eBay for ages, and I seriously doubt ANY of them are legitimate.

John

[Stockerlone]

Stephen King + Pierce Brosnan orig signed Autogramm DVD :excited::excited::excited:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Stephen-King-Pierce-Brosnan-orig-signed-Autogramm-DVD-/170625214128?pt=Autogramm_Autograph&hash=item27ba0e26b0

[Bev Vincent]

Seeing as how Steve sued to have his name taken off this movie, I can't imagine him wanting to put it back on again!

[jhanic]

Not to mention that it's a lousy signature.

John

[Stockerlone]

And it´s the GERMAN movie... Can´t belive that .... maybe someone meets S King, and WHAT he have to sign.
The German Rasenmähermann DVD... ugly fake....

[CRinVA]

I know that signing on a baseball can really alter one's signature look, BUT, THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Autographed-MLB-Authentic-Baseball-RARE-/350450614205?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51987bffbd) just looks awful to me!

There is a plethora of Stephen King signed baseballs on ebay right now - and this combines my two favorite things - King adn Baseball - but I don't see Sai King signing that many baseballs!

Check 'em out HERE! (http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313&_nkw=%22stephen+King%22+signed+baseball&_sacat=See-All-Categories)

[Ben Staad]

CRinVA....The "This" link is a terrible signature and for the rest I will pass. There might be a real one in that group but they are all awful signatures.

[CRinVA]

I know that signing on a baseball can really alter one's signature look, BUT, THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Autographed-MLB-Authentic-Baseball-RARE-/350450614205?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51987bffbd) just looks awful to me!

There is a plethora of Stephen King signed baseballs on ebay right now - and this combines my two favorite things - King adn Baseball - but I don't see Sai King signing that many baseballs!

Check 'em out HERE! (http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313&_nkw=%22stephen+King%22+signed+baseball&_sacat=See-All-Categories)

[olverts]

I think this one looks really bad

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hardcover-Shining-book-hand-signed-Stephen-King-/280666095839?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item415900c0df

[ELazansky]

Just awful...

[Tito_Villa]

Hahahahah what a load of utter rubbish!

[surly]

I'm glad this one came up -- his early signature was so different than it is now, that I wasn't sure if this was another early 'Steve' variation that i hadn't seen before. Thanks for posting.

[Ric]

His early signature isn't THAT different. This guy wasn't even trying.

[surly]

It's chagned a little over the years -- I'm not very good at recognizing the early ones:
70's
http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/surly_pics/early.jpg
2010
http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/surly_pics/late.jpg

[George at C-Springs]

Folks, opinion?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/King_Sign.jpg

[Brice]

My (somewhat uneducated) opinion/guess is that it's good.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

It looks fine in that small picture George, but we need to see it in the proper context. (It might be on a book published after 1983, for instance).

[Tito_Villa]

I like it!

[George at C-Springs]

It's flat signed on the front page of a VG Danse Macabre 1st/1st, so about two years after publication.

[carlosdetweiller]

I think it is fine.

[jhanic]

Looks okay to me also.

John

[Ric]

Folks, opinion?

http://www.thedarktower.org/gallery/data/500/King_Sign.jpg

This appears to be a valid signature to me.

[demorgan]

I was actually wondering about the same signature.

[Stockerlone]

`ORIGINAL` Autogramm from Germany....:orely:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250810764102&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[Brice]

hideous and fake

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Hold on one minute....are we sure it wasn't signed during Octoberfest??????

Could be real

Mulleins

[Brice]

I suppose if you drink enough it could start to look real. :lol:

[Stockerlone]

I told the seller that this `ORIGINAL´ is .... MAYBE !!!!!!!! a UGLY FAKE ... but.... surprise....
NO answer:dance:

[Brice]

Personally I like ugly fakes. It makes it easier on those of us who aren't good at judging sigs.

[Stockerlone]

A ´tricky´ ´FAKE´ German Duddits - Dreamcatcher 1/25

Ugly Signatur on the ´wrong´ page !!!
http://cgi.ebay.de/Duddits-Dreamcatcher-Stephen-King-2001-SIGNIERT-/110681873433?pt=Belletristik&hash=item19c5275c19

This is the real deal. The signatur is on a WHITE page. This WHITE page is only in this 25 Signature Books ´available´ in all normal HC´s is this page GREEN....

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110672987915&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[Shannon]

lol that signature is so ugly

[Ric]

.

[Ric]

sorry, board is having issues.

[Ric]

Now the forger is doing Joe Hill...

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-JOE-HILL-HEART-SHAPE-BOX-SIGNED-1st-RARE-/130516083382?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item1e635d62b6

Best part though... Look at what HE BOUGHT last week...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140536150121

Look familiar?

I seriously do not understand why eBay allows blatant criminals like this to operate so obviously. A 10-year-old can see what this jackass is doing.

[Tito_Villa]

Definately and the problem with Hill signatures is that imo it can be copied very easily

[killbourne]

Definately and the problem with Hill signatures is that imo it can be copied very easily
Agreed. Already reported the guy/gal.

[killbourne]

I remember the last time that Joe had a problem with a forger on ebay.

[biomieg]

But to be honest, why even bother with faking Joe's signature? It does not add much value to a book anyway. I don't specifically collect Joe's books and I have very little interest in signed books in general but even I have some books signed by him (they were as cheap the unsigned ones).

[killbourne]

But to be honest, why even bother with faking Joe's signature? It does not add much value to a book anyway. I don't specifically collect Joe's books and I have very little interest in signed books in general but even I have some books signed by him (they were as cheap the unsigned ones).
IMO..its cool because he is one hell of a guy.

[ELazansky]

Can someone who owns Gauntlet 2 compare their book to this auction? - http://cgi.ebay.com/Gauntlet-2-Special-Edition-Edited-Barry-Hoffman-/200605848052?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item2eb50a51f4
It looks like Liquid Paper on the signature pages. Is that the way it was issued? Also, the number 115 looks a little sloppy. Numbers are usually very neat.

[Rahfa]

Can someone who owns Gauntlet 2 compare their book to this auction? - http://cgi.ebay.com/Gauntlet-2-Special-Edition-Edited-Barry-Hoffman-/200605848052?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item2eb50a51f4
It looks like Liquid Paper on the signature pages. Is that the way it was issued? Also, the number 115 looks a little sloppy. Numbers are usually very neat.

Yes to the liquid paper on those two names, and yes to the sloppy numbers!

[ELazansky]

Can someone who owns Gauntlet 2 compare their book to this auction? - http://cgi.ebay.com/Gauntlet-2-Special-Edition-Edited-Barry-Hoffman-/200605848052?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item2eb50a51f4
It looks like Liquid Paper on the signature pages. Is that the way it was issued? Also, the number 115 looks a little sloppy. Numbers are usually very neat.

Yes to the liquid paper on those two names, and yes to the sloppy numbers!

Thanks, Rahfa. I wasn't doubting the book was legit. It just seemed a bit surprising that it would be issued like that..

[Rahfa]

Haha...yeah, obviously those two names were misspelled on the signature sheets (how'd you like to see that when you get 800 of them back?). I wouldn't say my number is 'sloppy,' but it sure isn't neat! Haha...

[divemaster]

Can someone who owns Gauntlet 2 compare their book to this auction? - http://cgi.ebay.com/Gauntlet-2-Special-Edition-Edited-Barry-Hoffman-/200605848052?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item2eb50a51f4
It looks like Liquid Paper on the signature pages. Is that the way it was issued? Also, the number 115 looks a little sloppy. Numbers are usually very neat.

Same as Rahfa, my copy also has the Liquid Paper corrections. My numbering (#184) looks neat enough.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

here's mine...

http://www.akyle.f2s.com/images/gauntlet_1.jpg

[ELazansky]

Thanks, Mr. RT. Still really odd to see a book with Liquid Paper on it....

[carlosdetweiller]

I was wondering what a collection of forgeries should be called? A skulk of forgeries? A gaggle of forgeries, perhaps? A flock?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=170642439627&si=NolTDsTOCbMocxPYBPvkapaC%252B5U%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

[Ric]

Wow. Don't people do their homework before dropping > $300 on something? You can spot those as fakes a mile away.

[surly]

May I get an opinion on this one. It was shown in a 1st SALEMS LOT:
http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/surly_pics/salemslotpix2.jpg

At first I thought it was fake, but after comparing it to a few confirmed 70's sigs I'm not so sure anymore:
http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/surly_pics/more1970s.jpg

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/surly_pics/real.jpg

The 'King' part looks very similar, and there are lots of similar points in 'Stephen' but the crossed T is totally different.

[carlosdetweiller]

I think all three of those are legit signatures.

[Ric]

Did King flatsign in the 70's though? That's what worries me. The signature looks "ok" but someone could have line traced it. I thought a large majority of King signatures from the 70s were dated, no?

[surly]

Couldn't ask for a more informed opinion. Thanks.

That's three different variations on the crossed T i've seen now; did he go through an experimentation phase whith his signature in the early 70s?

[Randall Flagg]

Couldn't ask for a more informed opinion. Thanks.

That's three different variations on the crossed T i've seen now; did he go through an experimentation phase ......... in the early 70s?
With drugs and alcohol, yes.

[George at C-Springs]

The "I have purchased a huge lot off a women in Dexter Maine and she said all signed copies are authentic as she was friends with SK." guy is back, with huge price reductions! Go figure.
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-BLACK-HOUSE-SIGNED-1st-1st-RARE-NOVEL-/130524529935?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item1e63de450f

[Tito_Villa]

The "I have purchased a huge lot off a women in Dexter Maine and she said all signed copies are authentic as she was friends with SK." guy is back, with huge price reductions! Go figure.
http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-BLACK-HOUSE-SIGNED-1st-1st-RARE-NOVEL-/130524529935?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item1e63de450f

I will say it again ... bloody muppet ... reported too!

[George at C-Springs]

Did you see all the disclaimers and "Don't report these" ? Heh heh. Well, at least he's posting all of that now .. you can't say he didn't warn you.

[Ben Staad]

Has anyone ever done business with vagbk (or is someone here vagbk) on Ebay? They are selling a signed book (none SK) that I'm interested in but it seems to be a problem to send me a picture of the autograph. Just curious on the reputation of this seller. Thanks.

[carlosdetweiller]

Has anyone ever done business with vagbk (or is someone here vagbk) on Ebay? They are selling a signed book (none SK) that I'm interested in but it seems to be a problem to send me a picture of the autograph. Just curious on the reputation of this seller. Thanks.

I'm pretty sure this is the eBay username of Vagabond Books. If so, they are very legit. I bought quite a few books from them years ago on the ABE site.

[oy-the-brave]

Has anyone ever done business with vagbk (or is someone here vagbk) on Ebay? They are selling a signed book (none SK) that I'm interested in but it seems to be a problem to send me a picture of the autograph. Just curious on the reputation of this seller. Thanks.

I'm pretty sure this is the eBay username of Vagabond Books. If so, they are very legit. I bought quite a few books from them years ago on the ABE site.

Vagabond books was the name of the store (somewhere in LA) that I finally found a copy of the Dark Tower, I must have called at least 20 book stores before I found one that had a copy.

[Ben Staad]

It looks like the seller is Vagabond Books...thanks for the replies and I will try again with the picture request. If I can't get a photo I will just have to pass.

Edit: For the record and to be fair to Vagabond Books they did end up posting a photo of the signature.

[Ric]

We have a new forger! Either that or he magically got a drunken Stephen King to sign 10 UK books. :lol:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Salems-Lot-SIGNED-STEPHEN-KING-Fine-2009-Illus-/320707488127?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item4aaba7e97f

[AKC]

WOW.......I could do better than that!

[Tito_Villa]

Nice note of provence :ninja:

[olverts]

We have a new forger! Either that or he magically got a drunken Stephen King to sign 10 UK books. :lol:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Salems-Lot-SIGNED-STEPHEN-KING-Fine-2009-Illus-/320707488127?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item4aaba7e97f

He just got those books , bought them in a lot a few days ago :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Hand-Signed-5-Book-Collection-Shining-/170642439627?pt=Fiction&hash=item27bb14fdcb

[jhanic]

Too bad he didn't do his homework before he bought those!

John

[killbourne]

someone please look at this ebay item and give me your opinion on if its legit or not. Thanks.
130522035824

[AKC]

I think it looks pretty good. I was initially concerned about both the transition from the K to the i (loop) and the open ended bottom of the g. But, when comparing it to several S/Ls and flatsigned 1st Editions that I have, I feel pretty good about it.

Looking forward to hearing from other forum junkies....

Tim

[Randall Flagg]

Someone bought it right quick. FWIW, the signature looks great.

[killbourne]

Tim,Flagg...your opinions are priceless. You think its worth the price?

[killbourne]

Oh, they took $230 for the book...thats what i was wondering if that sounds reasonable. The other week one went for $475..just wondering

[AKC]

Given that it is a 1st Edition (I think it was anyway), I feel as if it is certainly worth the price (pending condition).

I certainly would've bought it for that price. That's not saying much since a had to take out a 2nd Mortgage to payoff David @ Betts!

It's legit......

:wtf:

[killbourne]

Once again, thank you for your opinion...I always appreciate the help guys!!

[Ric]

someone please look at this ebay item and give me your opinion on if its legit or not. Thanks.
130522035824

That's a good one.

[AKC]

Looks like he is BACK!!!!!:angry:

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-GIRL-LOVED-TOM-GORDON-SIGNED-1st-RARE-/130527635489?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item1e640da821#ht_532wt_1141

[AKC]

????????

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-Cycle-Werewolf-Signed-1st-Edition-/120732585854?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item1c1c390f7e#ht_1093wt_922

[Fsmdr]

What do you guys think of this?. I dont like the signature. What a shame, it's a really nice looking book.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120732585854&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Edit: It looks like Avidkingcollector beat me to it.

[AKC]

How crazy is that. I just posted the same auction questioning the sig.....

I personally don't think it's legit....

Check out the transition from the "K" to the "i".....

Why would you ruin a quality 1st Edition with a horrible rendition of a King Signature?

[Fsmdr]

How crazy is that. I just posted the same auction questioning the sig.....

I personally don't think it's legit....

Check out the transition from the "K" to the "i".....

Why would you ruin a quality 1st Edition with a horrible rendition of a King Signature?

It could be that the seller had bought it without knowing that the signature is questionable. His other items for sale seems legit. Could happen to the best of us.

[carlosdetweiller]

What do you guys think of this?. I dont like the signature. What a shame, it's a really nice looking book.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120732585854&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


Definite forgery.

[Ric]

This seller seems legit, so it's probably a case of them having bought the forgery rather than having done it purposefully. Shame though to ruin a nice book like that. You should forge the common crap and let the rare ones sell themselves. :lol:

[Room 217 Caretaker]

All work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boy

[AKC]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&autorefresh=true&hash=item3a66781267&item=250827248231&nma=true&pt=US_Fiction_Books&rt=nc&si=EzFS8DymQAk8R3GqAgaDwNBS8Zk%253D#ht_930wt_689

This seller is ripping people off. Two completed auctions today, both fake. No wonder the value of collecting has dropped.

Mulleins

It really does piss me off......

[cgallagh44]

Hi, does this look like a good purchase ( from eBay )?

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqEOKjME25VI9RONBN57iUiYRw~~_12.JPG

Link:
PET SEMATARY (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=170649627512&si=p3atx5e9Zf7iHM1wCmdhGw8bmVA%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT#ht_562wt_922)

First Edition: $28.00

Printed by Doubleday in 1983
First Edition is stated on the CP
DJ price is intact $15.95
Y38 is in the crease on the last page
Code 1183

Jacket by Linda Fennimore

Red Paste downs and Boards

**The DJ has the wrong publishing date of 1982*for Tabitha King's The Caretakers on the back.

This is a very nice copy- DJ kept in protective cover

[biomieg]

It all depends on the condition of the DJ - PET SEMATARY has a notoriously fragile DJ and it's quite hard to find a truly nice copy at an affordable price (I'm still looking for one to upgrade my own copy). But if it's in collectible condition, $28 is a great buy!

[cgallagh44]

Thanks biomieg, I just added the pic from eBay. Looks like there might be something going on at the front top left hand corner.

[biomieg]

Well, it looks really nice actually. I would have paid more than $28 for that copy! Congratulations!

[cgallagh44]

Well, it looks really nice actually. I would have paid more than $28 for that copy! Congratulations!

Thanks again, I appreciate your comments. I'll post more pics once I recieve the book-hopefully everything else is as advertised.

[Ric]

That Pet Sematary looks good! Like Michaël said, it's the DJ that's the key on that one. Having the original '82 reference on the back is nice as well. I think you did great.

[cgallagh44]

Thanks Ric, I just get so nervous when I buy from eBay. Been pretty fortunate so far, but have also been burnt once too...

[Room 217 Caretaker]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&autorefresh=true&hash=item3a66781267&item=250827248231&nma=true&pt=US_Fiction_Books&rt=nc&si=EzFS8DymQAk8R3GqAgaDwNBS8Zk%253D#ht_930wt_689

This seller is ripping people off. Two completed auctions today, both fake. No wonder the value of collecting has dropped.

Mulleins

This seller just responded to my questioning of the signatures she/he just sold. Here it is:

All work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boy

[thegreattim]

Wow, you'd better watch out, he/she seems pretty serious! :wtf: Those really must be legit signatures after all.

[Shannon]

lol he also changes his names every so often, check it out:

Name - Begin Date - End Date
sully5768 May-09-11 Present
bootlebooks Feb-22-10 May-09-11
rachellewoods Sep-04-09 Feb-22-10
ron5768 Dec-04-08 Sep-04-09
sully5768 Oct-27-08 Dec-04-08

[Sonmi451]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&autorefresh=true&hash=item3a66781267&item=250827248231&nma=true&pt=US_Fiction_Books&rt=nc&si=EzFS8DymQAk8R3GqAgaDwNBS8Zk%253D#ht_930wt_689

This seller is ripping people off. Two completed auctions today, both fake. No wonder the value of collecting has dropped.

Mulleins

Hello guys, I'm glad I found this forum, though I fear it may be too late. I am fairly new at this and I am starting to get discouraged. I actually noticed Sully's listings on my own as well, and thought they were fishy. The Cormac McCarthy and Obama were particularly suspicious. So I steered clear of him, and bought two other Stephen King books from another seller that I thought looked legit. I am starting to have second thoughts, and was hoping maybe you guys could help. Here are the two listings:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=110693454719&si=myhwqv0PLvFS1f5owAIu7bxrFBk%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=120730187078&si=myhwqv0PLvFS1f5owAIu7bxrFBk%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

Any feedback/pointers would be very much appreciated!

[Ric]

I looked at them and I don't feel entirely comfortable with them. The "Stephen" looks ok but the "King" is very suspect to me. If it is a forgery (and I suspect it is) it is one of the better ones I've seen.

Welcome to the forum!

[carlosdetweiller]

Any feedback/pointers would be very much appreciated!

Sadly both of the books in the links you provided have forged signatures. That seller "allstarbooks2010" is known to us as a seller of forgeries. You might have some recourse, though, particularly if you paid through PayPal with a credit card. Contact your credit card issuer and tell them your problem. Most likely they will help you. If you didn't use a credit card then contact PayPal and eBay, tell them your problem and follow their instructions. Good luck and welcome to "Calvin's Corner." Let us know what happens.

[AKC]

Any feedback/pointers would be very much appreciated!

Sadly both of the books in the links you provided have forged signatures. That seller "allstarbooks2010" is known to us as a seller of forgeries. You might have some recourse, though, particularly if you paid through PayPal with a credit card. Contact your credit card issuer and tell them your problem. Most likely they will help you. If you didn't use a credit card then contact PayPal and eBay, tell them your problem and follow their instructions. Good luck and welcome to "Calvin's Corner." Let us know what happens.

Sonmi451, welcome to the family of King Collectors......

I concur with the prior posts regarding the authenticity of the signatures on the items you acquired. I am sorry to say that they are, without question, forgeries.

As a relatively new member, I use this forum as my ONLY resource to solicit opinions regarding fair prices as well as help to determine whether a signature is legit.

Look forward to collaborating with you on future Posts / Threads!

Tim

[Sonmi451]

Thank you for the feedback, I will certainly check here first from now on. Since I am new, may I ask what in particular makes these obvious forgeries? Like what should I look for, or is it more of a general impression? Also, do you guys know of other forums such as this, but for other highly collectible authors?

[Sonmi451]

And while I'm at it, please please tell me this one is legit. I bought this one a few weeks ago:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Liseys-Story-Stephen-King-1-1-w-Proof-/180669384129?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item2a10bc05c1

[Patrick]

Hi Sonmi451, welcome to TDT.org and to our little Corner. Please make yourself at home and jump right into the discussions. Also, once you have a mere 5 posts, more site member abilities will open to you.

Sorry about your fake sigs. I'll leave it to others to point out specific tip-offs as you request. For me, I can rarely state specifics, I just go with my gut feeling - which was developed primarily through looking at many, many examples over time.

Personally I never buy flatsigned SK books unless I know the seller is legit. For me that means the seller is a regular member here at TDT.org. I have made plenty of purchases of signed books on eBay, but they have been almost exclusively limited editions.

[AKC]

For me, the "height" of the signature, the K in "King", and the bottom of the g are all dead-giveaways.

"Gut" does play a big part in it but some of us have been looking at King signatures for 25+ years and at first glance, you just know.

Chalk it up to trained eyeballs.......

Good Luck if you choose to challenge the auctions!

Tim

[Randall Flagg]

And while I'm at it, please please tell me this one is legit. I bought this one a few weeks ago:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Liseys-Story-Stephen-King-1-1-w-Proof-/180669384129?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item2a10bc05c1
I think that is a legitimate King signature.

[Randall Flagg]

Not a fake, but who would pay $6 for a used ticket stub from the movie Thinner?
http://cgi.ebay.com/1996-STEPHEN-KING-THINNER-MOVIE-THEATRE-TICKET-STUB-/310322667862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4840ac2156

[Room 217 Caretaker]

I asked Ebay seller the following:

The signatures are highly suspect. Please do the right thing by taking a closer look or having someone else look at the two King signatures you just sold before you take money from your client.

Seller [NAME REDACTED] response:

Dear mulleins,

All work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boy
- [NAME REDACTED]



Below is just two of the signatures in question:

[IMAGE REDACTED]

I felt this seller should be listed here to protect our members.

Take care everyone

Mulleins

[olverts]

This one´s funny :) http://cgi.ebay.com/Four-Past-Midnight-Signed-First-Printing-Stephen-King-/150615029342?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item23115af65e

Read the listing : " It's either a bad fake or a unique authentic signature."

[Randall Flagg]

Perhaps he meant "defamation of character" . What a mongoloid.

[Ben Staad]

Perhaps he meant "defamation of character" . What a mongoloid.

Maybe he did mean deformation of character? Because that sounds like it may be a physical threat to Mr. Mulleins. LOL

[Ric]

My rule of thumb is that anyone who immediately jumps to "10" on the defensive meter is automatically guilty.

[Jimimck]

Mulleins:
You should email him a link to this thread, so he can read what a prat we all think he is...

[jhanic]

I'm sure he meant "definition of character" :evil:

John

[Shannon]

Maybe he meant "deformed nation"? Freakin' terrorist!

[mcdonaldj]

I'm brand new here and those look suspect even to me. I think he meant libel (written), not slander (spoken), either way, thanks for the heads up

[Patrick]

And while I'm at it, please please tell me this one is legit. I bought this one a few weeks ago:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Liseys-Story-Stephen-King-1-1-w-Proof-/180669384129?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item2a10bc05c1
I think that is a legitimate King signature.
Agreed.

[jemaher]

I'm sure he meant "definition of character" :evil:

John

>>>>>>>> or lack of character! what a toolbox

[Cutter]

My rule of thumb is that anyone who immediately jumps to "10" on the defensive meter is automatically guilty.

Agreed, what a scammer. That's too bad, I feel for the people who got ripped off.

[Randall Flagg]

This sure is an "ugly" signature.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-autographed-Dolores-Claiborne-PSA-DNA-RARE-/190540400027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5d17c59b

[Niels]

King's been in the Netherlands and signed a read paperback?

http://cgi.ebay.nl/Stephen-King-The-Shining-1e-druk-gesigneerd-signed-/290572674139?pt=NL_Fictie_non_fictie&hash=item43a77b245b

[George at C-Springs]

This one´s funny http://cgi.ebay.com/Four-Past-Midnig...item23115af65e

Read the listing : " It's either a bad fake or a unique authentic signature."

I wrote to the seller on this one, she was nice enough and pulled the auction immediately. She said I was the only one who had written to her about it! (at that point, anyway)

[Rahfa]

Thank you for the feedback, I will certainly check here first from now on. Since I am new, may I ask what in particular makes these obvious forgeries? Like what should I look for, or is it more of a general impression? Also, do you guys know of other forums such as this, but for other highly collectible authors?

You can absolutely get your money back....either through Paypal or your credit card, the seller is obligated to refund your money.

You don't even have to get into a pissing contest...just say "I'll return them and I want my money back," and if he says "no" then immediately place it into dispute. Be sure to mail them back via priority mail with signature confirmation.

As for SK signatures, look at the auctions for the various signed/limited editions. If the signature doesn't look like one of those, it's a fake.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

The seller [referenced earlier in the thread] said he was here and reading our posts. I have invited him here to discuss the last two King signatures he sold. Right now he is only sending messages through Ebay so hopefully he will come here.

This was his Ebay message:

Dear mulleins,

All work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boy

- [NAME REDACTED]

Again, I welcome his discussion on the highly suspect signatures he just sold on Ebay and I ask everyone else to be nice when he arrives.

We welcome Ebay seller [NAME REDACTED]

For the record: Everything released here is from his messages through Ebay. Not sure where the seller is getting false statements from. I'm also going to ask the seller to invite the buyers of these two signatures here for the discussion as well.

Mulleins

[Merlin1958]

For what it's worth, those signatures are highly suspect IMHO. I wouldn't have bought them!!!!!!

[Randall Flagg]

Looks like the person Googled "defamation" after realizing they said "deformation". I suppose if they are going to quote "Legalize" they should check out "Fraud, Fake and Felonious". If the person knowingly commits fraud it is a Federal offense as an Ebay ad crossed state lines. If the person actually accepts payment, that is a Federal Offense.
Just to "Lawyer Up" on the person. I suggest they read and digest this:
The elements of wire fraud are the same as mail fraud. In order to convict the defendant, federal prosecutions have to prove all of the following beyond a reasonable doubt:


A scheme to defraud or obtain money or property by fraudulent pretenses.
Intent.
The making of materially false representations.
Transmission by wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce.

The United States Attorney is not required to establish that the wire, radio, or television transmission was critical to the scheme. Rather, the transmission element is more like a jurisdictional element. The transmission in interstate commerce is what gives federal court jurisdiction over the scheme. Without the transmission, the scheme would be prosecutable in state court.
The venue for prosecution under 18 USC 1343 is basically any district where either the transmission began or ended. The venue statute, 18 USC 3237, provides that venue is proper in any district in which the offense began, continued, or was completed.
Wire fraud is a felony offense under federal law. The penalty can be 20 years imprisonment. However, where the victim of the wire fraud was a financial institution (eg, bank), the sentence is enhanced. In these cases, the sentence can be 30 years in federal prison.

[jhanic]

I agree. If that opens me up to a libel/slander suit, so be it. I've found that there is often a lot of bluster but no action when a suspect seller is brought to light. I also welcome this seller to explain himself here.

John

[Room 217 Caretaker]

As I said above, I'm also going to ask the seller to invite the buyers of the two signatures here for an open discussion as well.

Mulleins

[Merlin1958]

As I said above, I'm also going to ask the seller to invite the buyers of the two signatures here for an open discussion as well.

Mulleins

Great Thought, but I seriously doubt that will happen!!!!!!


LOL

[Jimimck]

I will be watching you threads with interest from now on.

- sully5768



Still sounds like a git to me.

One who quite quickly & aggressively jumps in to defense mode, and then insults the members here at DT (sordid little internet group is laughable) doesn't sound like a reputable kind of person in my book...

[Merlin1958]

Not that I don't consider Mulleins opinion "expert", I do, but I'd love to hear Shibus, Hutch, Carlos and a few other opinions on this as well.

This guy is in for a "world of hurt" if he pursues this matter, IMHO

[Room 217 Caretaker]

You are correct. Who is calling someone names? I believe he used sor·did
   /ˈsɔrdɪd/ Show Spelled[sawr-did] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
morally ignoble or base; vile: sordid methods.
2.
meanly selfish, self-seeking, or mercenary.
3.
dirty or filthy.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Not that I don't consider Mulleins opinion "expert", I do, but I'd love to hear Shibus, Hutch, Carlos and a few other opinions on this as well.

This guy is in for a "world of hurt" if he pursues this matter, IMHO

There are so many things wrong with these signatures.

Mulleins

[divemaster]

What is he talking about libel and slander? You can't "libel" or "slander" if you are factually correct. And those are obvious forgeries. Not saying the seller did the forging. Maybe he unwittingly got a hold of some bad books. But if he were a stand-up guy, when the facts were presented to him he should have appreciated it rather than blowing a gasket.

There is no defense for selling those books as genuine SK signed editions other than, "my bad; sorry; I didn't know; thanks for letting me know; I'll be more careful next time."

[Patrick]

As we have discussed from time to time over the years, especially in the eBay Fakes thread, all statements regarding the legitimacy of any given signature are simply the opinions of the person posting.

[Ric]

As we have discussed from time to time over the years, especially in the eBay Fakes thread, all statements regarding the legitimacy of any given signature are simply the opinions of the person posting.

Yes, but do you assign equal weight to all opinions?

[Rahfa]

If SK signed a book in front of me, then Bob/Carlos looked at it and said it was fake, I would question my own memory.

So, no, not equally weighted....haha....

[carlosdetweiller]

If SK signed a book in front of me, then Bob/Carlos looked at it and said it was fake, I would question my own memory.

So, no, not equally weighted....haha....

I laughed at this....but appreciate the vote of confidence. For my money Hutch is the most knowledgeable King signature evaluator and Greg (shibus) is right up there too. But really all of us who frequent this site and take the time to look at and evaluate the signatures probably agree with each other 90% of the time.

[Shannon]

Not EBAY but close enough ...

http://youngstown.craigslist.org/clt/2432651838.html

[Room 217 Caretaker]

What is he talking about libel and slander? You can't "libel" or "slander" if you are factually correct. And those are obvious forgeries. Not saying the seller did the forging. Maybe he unwittingly got a hold of some bad books. But if he were a stand-up guy, when the facts were presented to him he should have appreciated it rather than blowing a gasket.

There is no defense for selling those books as genuine SK signed editions other than, "my bad; sorry; I didn't know; thanks for letting me know; I'll be more careful next time."

Very good post. 95% of the time sellers that get called out on signatures do try to make amends because they didn't realize what they had was highly suspect. I asked this seller to do the right thing and have them looked at before taking money from his clients.

Honestly, he is the only one hurting his own business. Not the discussion here. The King collecting world is smaller than he thinks and it won't take those buyers of the last two he sold long to figure out what is going on.

I've contacted Ebay and have asked permission to contact the two buyers to invite them here for the discussion. It really bothers me that two more King collectors just got taken. Now, in the defense of the seller, the buyer has a responsibility as well to check everything before pulling the trigger.

I didn't actually see the King auctions end, I found them during research for a friend of mine that collects another genre asking my opinion on a high profile signature in two more books that seller #$@^ sold. So you see, it's not just our group here concerned over highly suspect signatures, this other group is already discussing contacting the buyers of the other signed books to invite them to a discussion on getting the books checked out.

All work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boy

[Ric]

One of the things I've done in the past if you catch the auctions while they are still open is to alert Marsha D. to them. You can contact her on the official SK site. She has a direct contact at eBay that pulls auctions when she files a VeRO complaint.

[Shannon]

Not EBAY but close enough ...

http://youngstown.craigslist.org/clt/2432651838.html

Bump. Any opinions on this/these? My gut says no, but I'm not anything of a source at all. I'd love to tell the guy they are fakes though because when I first contacted him warning him I could tell if they were fakes, he "resented the fraud implication" lol.

[Randall Flagg]

I know I wouldn't want the signature for free.

[biomieg]

Me neither. It's not an extremely poor attempt but it's definitely not genuine. My opinion on SK sigs should always be taken with some grains of salt though. I only have two of them in my collection (but I do have a well-developed 'eye', generally speaking). The 'hen' is Stephen is way off, as is the 'swoop' which doesn't flow well.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Even with a blurry picture I can tell you that one is highly suspect.

Highly Suspect is our new nice way of saying FAKE.

[Shannon]

lol, thanks guys

[Patrick]

As we have discussed from time to time over the years, especially in the eBay Fakes thread, all statements regarding the legitimacy of any given signature are simply the opinions of the person posting.

Yes, but do you assign equal weight to all opinions?
No. But like Bob said, this group tends to be in agreement 90+% of the time anyway.

[Patrick]

Even with a blurry picture I can tell you that one is highly suspect.

Highly Suspect is our new nice way of saying FAKE.
Or you could say even more subtly:

***DANGER: Highly Suspect ***

[Room 217 Caretaker]

I keep offering the seller to come here and discuss the two King books but he keeps posting in Ebay message thread.

All work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyvAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boyAll work and Ebay swindlers makes Ralph a dull boy

[Rahfa]

Haha...yeah, I'm not sure that's a very valid threat.

I will say, though, that JD Salinger successfully sued his ex-girlfriend when she tried to use his letters in a book....she could discuss the content, but not quote them verbatim. Technically speaking, private written communication IS copywrited.

But...you also have to prove some form of damage, and when you're selling fake auctions, I'm not sure how you're "damaged" by that discussion...haha...

[jemaher]

and i dont know where he lives that the filing costs are only $50..... Try $400+....To quote bugs bunny, "what a maroon!"

[George at C-Springs]

Call his bluff! Have you reported him yet, and if so has eBay taken any action?

[Dolan]

LOL - this is funny. Poor mulleins, don't let this twit worry you.

[jemaher]

That is disparaging.....to TWITS!

[biomieg]

Hm. This is weird. The description and photo in this listing are identical to those of a PET SEMATARY copy I purchased last week from another seller. The text was altered minimally.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pet-Sematary-Stephen-King-1st-Edition-1st-Printing-/200620223650?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item2eb5e5aca2

[killbourne]

Ive had only bad dealings with ebay over their buyer protection policy....they have decided with the seller twice now. Has anyone had a different opiion. I just wanted to give everyone a view of what I have experienced with them.

[Ric]

Ive had only bad dealings with ebay over their buyer protection policy....they have decided with the seller twice now. Has anyone had a different opiion. I just wanted to give everyone a view of what I have experienced with them.

can you elaborate a bit? I've used them twice successfully getting refunds from obstinate sellers.

[killbourne]

Ive had only bad dealings with ebay over their buyer protection policy....they have decided with the seller twice now. Has anyone had a different opiion. I just wanted to give everyone a view of what I have experienced with them.

can you elaborate a bit? I've used them twice successfully getting refunds from obstinate sellers.
Sure, no problem. The latest is in the case that I bought a perfect circle signed concert poster only to find the exact same poster listed again after a month. I opened a claim. I gave ebay the listing # of my auction and the # of the previous auctiion, and even offered to send pictures of the poster to prove that something fishy is going on. Ebay responded and told me that they are waiting for the seller to submit some type or proof..months went by..and they decided to favor the seller. I disagreed with the decesion that they made and as far as I know its still being investigated...this has been going on for at least 4 months.

[AKC]

Oh boy......

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rose-Madder-SIGNED-STEPHEN-KING-1st-Edition-/320703935324?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item4aab71b35c#ht_500wt_689

[jhanic]

That has to be one of the worst signatures I've seen in a while, now.

Reported.

John

[Rahfa]

Ive had only bad dealings with ebay over their buyer protection policy....they have decided with the seller twice now. Has anyone had a different opiion. I just wanted to give everyone a view of what I have experienced with them.

can you elaborate a bit? I've used them twice successfully getting refunds from obstinate sellers.
Sure, no problem. The latest is in the case that I bought a perfect circle signed concert poster only to find the exact same poster listed again after a month. I opened a claim. I gave ebay the listing # of my auction and the # of the previous auctiion, and even offered to send pictures of the poster to prove that something fishy is going on. Ebay responded and told me that they are waiting for the seller to submit some type or proof..months went by..and they decided to favor the seller. I disagreed with the decesion that they made and as far as I know its still being investigated...this has been going on for at least 4 months.

You know, it COULD be real...the chances are not too bad that if a seller had a legit poster (and a connection to get them) that they'd have more than one. I know signed movie posters are much less rare then you'd think....they just have the cast sign 1000 of them for everybody in the crew, so it's not like they don't float around.

Having said that, the lesson learned is to just ask for a refund if you're doubtful, and of course dispute it on your credit card.

[Randall Flagg]

I wouldn't want it for free. The disposal fee alone would be a PITA.

EDIT: Referring to the Rose Madder Book up-thread.

[Ric]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

The worst Stephen King forgery.... EVER!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-signed-Dolores-Claiborne-Book-first-edtn-/170656183515?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item27bbe6b4db

[Shannon]

Come on forgerers! Put in some effort, at least! lol

[Clacke]

I wonder what the percentage is of King forgeries being knowingly put up for sale by unscrupulous sellers, against forged signatures being sold by unfortunates who have been duped and are innocently selling on the books they bought....?

[AKC]

Ladies & Gentlemen:

The worst Stephen King forgery.... EVER!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-signed-Dolores-Claiborne-Book-first-edtn-/170656183515?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item27bbe6b4db

And somebody actually bought it........:(

[Ric]

No one bought it. He had an offer but he ended the auction himself.


This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available

[jemaher]

That.... put the" "eww": in ugly

[Ric]

Ouch...

Our favorite forger hooked someone bad. The guy at the top of his feedback bought no less than seven forgeries!

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=brennan2984&&_trksid=p4340.l2560&iid=140567103110&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

I'd hate to be him the day he realizes.

[Jimimck]

It's a shame he can't be contacted and told...

[Shannon]

Have no fear, I told him. :)

[Fsmdr]

What's the concensus on this?. I think it might actually be legit. His very early signature are always harder for me to judge.

http://cgi.ebay.com/S-KING-signed-1975-SALEMS-LOT-uncmn-TRUE-1ST-ED-DJ-/380345761576?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item588e5fbf28

[carlosdetweiller]

What's the concensus on this?. I think it might actually be legit. His very early signature are always harder for me to judge.

http://cgi.ebay.com/S-KING-signed-1975-SALEMS-LOT-uncmn-TRUE-1ST-ED-DJ-/380345761576?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item588e5fbf28

I think it is good. This seems to be from the time period when he was starting to do the loop to cross the "t" in Stephen. Sometimes he did and sometimes he didn't. It is also in that weird purple colored ink that he used to sign other copies of this book in 1975. I'm going to vote legit and think that someone got a really good deal on this book.

[jemaher]

ditto

[Rahfa]

Not to be contrary, but to me it looks like a little like a trace job/copy of that style signature...but for a forger to take a chance with a 1st/1st is pretty bold, so it's probably real. I'd have to see a second example to compare it with before I'd sure.

Anyway, it sold for $406...and that's about the right value just for the book. It didn't get much of a price bump from the signature.

[CurtSeattle]

lol! That's the one I bought!! please don't let it be a forgery! I checked it against others of the same timeframe and it looked right. The reason it is so cheap is that he had it listed as "s king".

Nobody really saw it I don't think. You know how many "king" listings there are? Even in just the "book" category. 60,000 there were that day as I recall. Luckily I had searched Salem's Lot or something that brought it up.

I almost got it for $197!!! But someone jumped in at the end with a high bid of $401 (my limit was $420 so just barely got it).

Just saw Surly's new sweet signed 2nd state dj Salem's Lot and the signature there is very close to this one too I think, so hopefully it is legit! The bookstore that sold it was in Maine, so close to "king homestead" kinda. :) (yes I even weighed that fact before I bought...hahaha!)

REALLY glad that you said I got a very good deal!!! I thought so but you never know.

[CurtSeattle]

Ive had only bad dealings with ebay over their buyer protection policy....they have decided with the seller twice now. Has anyone had a different opiion. I just wanted to give everyone a view of what I have experienced with them.

can you elaborate a bit? I've used them twice successfully getting refunds from obstinate sellers.
Sure, no problem. The latest is in the case that I bought a perfect circle signed concert poster only to find the exact same poster listed again after a month. I opened a claim. I gave ebay the listing # of my auction and the # of the previous auctiion, and even offered to send pictures of the poster to prove that something fishy is going on. Ebay responded and told me that they are waiting for the seller to submit some type or proof..months went by..and they decided to favor the seller. I disagreed with the decesion that they made and as far as I know its still being investigated...this has been going on for at least 4 months.

You know, it COULD be real...the chances are not too bad that if a seller had a legit poster (and a connection to get them) that they'd have more than one. I know signed movie posters are much less rare then you'd think....they just have the cast sign 1000 of them for everybody in the crew, so it's not like they don't float around.

Having said that, the lesson learned is to just ask for a refund if you're doubtful, and of course dispute it on your credit card.

If it is the A Perfect Circle concert tour with meet and greets they just did recently, then each fan only got ONE poster at each show. I went to a couple of the meet and greets (met Maynard and whole band) and only got one signed poster at each one. If you want I can check the band signatures on my copy and we can see how they match up? I know mine is legit for sure 100%.

p.s. I'm going to A Perfect Circle again next thursday!! can't wait!!! Mer de Noms is still my fav album by them by far. 3 Libras is such a great song on the guitar.

[Rahfa]

lol! That's the one I bought!! please don't let it be a forgery! I checked it against others of the same timeframe and it looked right. The reason it is so cheap is that he had it listed as "s king".

Nobody really saw it I don't think. You know how many "king" listings there are? Even in just the "book" category. 60,000 there were that day as I recall. Luckily I had searched Salem's Lot or something that brought it up.

I almost got it for $197!!! But someone jumped in at the end with a high bid of $401 (my limit was $420 so just barely got it).

Just saw Surly's new sweet signed 2nd state dj Salem's Lot and the signature there is very close to this one too I think, so hopefully it is legit! The bookstore that sold it was in Maine, so close to "king homestead" kinda. :) (yes I even weighed that fact before I bought...hahaha!)

Haha....nah, I'm sure it's fine, and you've done your diligence than you have reason to be confident. I was being critical, but it does look like that old style, and the price is right regardless.

If the seller listed it poorly, it makes it even more likely that it's real.

[AKC]

Here we go again.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rose-Madder-SIGNED-STEPHEN-KING-1st-Edition-/320703935324?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item4aab71b35c#ht_500wt_689

[jhanic]

I REALLY don't like that signature!

John

[AKC]

We complained about this one a week ago!!!!!

I cant believe it is back!

[Shannon]

Reported. Yuck.

[sublimicals]

Can I get your guys opinion on the following auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Talisman-Stephen-King-Peter-Straub-SIGNED-/220804963653?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3369005d45

[biomieg]

I'm not sure but I seem to remember (vaguely!) that there is an edition with facsimile sigs.

[carlosdetweiller]

They are facsimile signatures. That particular edition gets listed by novice sellers as "signed" frequently. It is not.