The eBay BS Game: Questionable items, Stephen King signatures, sellers

[Tito_Villa]

I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask. What exactly is wrong with this signature? For fun I compared it to SK signatures in s/l and for the life of me, I can't see the differences.

I wouldn't buy anything from this seller after seeing what he/she has put on Ebay in the past thanks to you guys.

To me the whole sig looks kind of squished, especially the "swivell" that leads into the K but thats my opinion!

[jhanic]

It actually looks okay to me, but, given the seller, I'd avoid it.

John

[Tito_Villa]

The curl on the G doesn't look great too!

[demorgan]

IMO...it looks like one of his older signatures...plus, the fact that when you compare other books from the seller...the signature seems to be the same.

[Tito_Villa]

IMO...it looks like one of his older signatures...plus, the fact that when you compare other books from the seller...the signature seems to be the same.

Thats exactly it, i think they might have had more practice! :orely:

[demorgan]

Further proof...may be to compare this signature to what we know is legit signatures during the THE GIRL THAT LOVED....time frame and recent, covering all time frames and signatures since the books release...in an effort to be fair.

IM pretty confident that if we did this, the signature would not stand up.

[demorgan]

So, im assuming tht since this is the motha f'n darktower.com site...there should be some examples laying around..

Sounds kinda fun...dont u think...PLUSSSSSSS...it will definitely put a nail in the coffin about this seller and this particular book.

LOL.

[Tito_Villa]

Here you go ...
http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz116/tito_villa/Books/TGWLTGsigned2.jpg

[demorgan]

LOL..
Now, to my eye...that doesnt even look similiar.

[demorgan]

What does others think....

[Cujo56]

That does look a lot different. Certainly the end of Stephen..the "hen" area

[Randall Flagg]

So, im assuming tht since this is the motha f'n darktower.com site...there should be some examples laying around..

Sounds kinda fun...dont u think...PLUSSSSSSS...it will definitely put a nail in the coffin about this seller and this particular book.

LOL.
If I recall correctly, a discussion about signature examples resulting in the consensus that high resolution chronological signature examples might do more to help a faker, than a buyer.
There are pics on this mf'ing site:P, they just aren't easily found.

King sigs from 1998(left), and 2000 (right).
TGWLTG was published in 1999.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3325/slide3xl.jpg

Ebay signature in question:
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4541/95167770.jpg

[demorgan]

hmmmm....good point.

[Cujo56]

Big difference in such a short time.

[demorgan]

thats why i get my opinions here at the motha f'n darktower. com...lol. sorry, just sounded like a good commercial to me.
But very, very true.

[demorgan]

This was alot easier than what i did about a week ago. I spent all night(s) comparing examples of known legit clint eastwood signatures compared to what his secretary signs for him, and of course the other fakes...

[demorgan]

This brings up something that Im curious about. How often does king personalize " to someone" in comparison to "for someone"....

[johnsmith87]

Awful.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nightmares-Dreamscapes-Stephen-King-Signed-Copy-/260597021387?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3caccafacb#ht_580wt_1165

[Brice]

I agree. That is horrendous.

[Fsmdr]

It's too bad this is fake. Would have made this a really desirable book had it been genuine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Single-Bnd-1ST-ED-GREEN-MILE-Stephen-King-/120569741973?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item1c12844295

[Rahfa]

Ugh...and it's got a COA from 'The Dust Jacket,' one of the prime offenders several years back...

[e_taylor]

the ebay ID "russdj" seems familiar to me.

I looked through his feedback and I've never bought from or sold to him.

Has he been in this thread before?

[carlosdetweiller]

the ebay ID "russdj" seems familiar to me.

I looked through his feedback and I've never bought from or sold to him.

Has he been in this thread before?

Yes....if not in this particular thread then another one. I posted something about a week ago about how he used to buy just about everything on eBay with snipe bids (sometimes quite high) several years ago. I also said that at the time some of us old timers (me, Hutch, Chris, etc.) thought he unwittingly was buying some forgeries mixed in with real signatures.

To me his prior auction listings have featured legit signatures but this current one is certainly a fake.

[wizardsrainbow]

I have purchased from him in the past without any issues. I think he "missed" on this one. I bought my personal S/L Cujo, S/L Christine and S/L Skeleton Crew from him maybe 8-9 years ago.

[Randall Flagg]

The picture of the signature is from a bad angle. (It COULD be a valid sig). It looks more like the book from an auction in the past where a seller claimed he 'caught' SK entering/exiting an event (New York City, Canada)???
Lacking more definitive images, I would (as a buyer), be very careful on bidding price.

[Tito_Villa]

Whats everyones thoughts on this, the seller is sure that its legit ... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390199950062

[jhanic]

Fake, and not a very good one.

John

[Cujo56]

Agree

[Tito_Villa]

Yeah i though it was very poor, but he really seems sure :lol:

[Sam]

It looks like the book was signed while driving down a bumpy road.

FAKE!!

[Randall Flagg]

Less than desirable.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

FYI. This is NOT the Stephen King this site is dedicated to. This guy is from Hayward, California.

Mike, I believe you are the only bidder at the moment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180534910297

http://i.ebayimg.com/23/!B)D91ow!2k~$(KGrHqEOKicEwOSs(TRQBML2g-2uDw~~_12.JPG

[Room 217 Caretaker]

FYI. This is NOT the Stephen King this site is dedicated to. This guy is from Hayward, California.

Mike, I believe you are the only bidder at the moment.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180534910297

http://i.ebayimg.com/23/!B)D91ow!2k~$(KGrHqEOKicEwOSs(TRQBML2g-2uDw~~_12.JPG

That book sold on Ebay two weeks ago. The same one ($38 I think). I'm pretty sure the buyer received the book, checked it out, and quickly figured it wasn't our King and re-listed.

I've even some King fan based websites talk about this book until someone else points them in the right direction.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Brice]

:o Stephen King imposter. <_< :nope:

[biomieg]

I saw that too. I assumed it would be another person named Stephen King because I couldn't imagine such a book not being mentioned in any authorative King bibliography that I know of.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

This seller is adamant that this signed Skeleton Crew is genuine. I tried in vain to inform the seller that it is a fake.

Opinions please.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390219739693&_trksid=p2761.l1259

[carlosdetweiller]

This seller is adamant that this signed Skeleton Crew is genuine. I tried in vain to inform the seller that it is a fake.

Opinions please.


Definite fake.

[jhanic]

Fake.

John

[Tito_Villa]

Yeah i saw that earlier too, defo a fake!

[frik]

Not even close...:nope:

sk

[Randall Flagg]

Fake.

[Tito_Villa]

Antiqueshere is back too ... http://cgi.ebay.com/1978-STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-NIGHT-SHIFT-BOOK-/380251574062?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item5888c28f2e :panic:

[demorgan]

May I get everyones opinion about the following(price and signature please):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400142526538&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

[Tito_Villa]

May I get everyones opinion about the following(price and signature please):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400142526538&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Im no-where near the expert than alot of people on here but it looks legit to me!

[jhanic]

Looks okay to me!

John

[shnnrc01]

yep,it looks good.

[demorgan]

thanks everyone....any comments about the price? is that a good deal?

[Randall Flagg]

thanks everyone....any comments about the price? is that a good deal?
If it is a 1st (as stated) and in New condition, I think it is a good price (seller and buyer).

[jhanic]

Agreed. A good price.

John

[demorgan]

Thanks R.Flagg & John..appeciate it.

[agrabin]

Thoughts on this signature please anyone...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180544690483&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

I think it is genuine, and as his signature was in 1998.

[Randall Flagg]

It looks fine to me. Seller has zero feedback, but we all have to start somewhere.

[jhanic]

Looks okay to me too. Don't forget that King did some signings in the UK for Bag of Bones. I'm sure this was one of those.

John

[agrabin]

Thanks guys...I thought it looked good but always better to check with you all first...much appreciated - probably get sniped out now!

[frik]

probably get sniped out now!

We'll behave.
Good luck!!

sk

[agrabin]

Yeah...thanks frik...it's happened to me a couple of times but I suppose that's the way it goes

[agrabin]

Got it...

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Got it...

At a fantastic price to boot....:thumbsup:

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[biomieg]

GREAT price! Congratulations!

[jhanic]

Congratulations! I was rooting for you.

John

[frik]

Got it...

See!! We behaved.
Congratulations - glad you got the book. :thumbsup:

sk

[johnsmith87]

Can anyone offer an opinion on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1986-STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-FIRST-EDITION-BOOK-/380259047656?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible#ht_3701wt_ 1137

[Tito_Villa]

Can anyone offer an opinion on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1986-STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-FIRST-EDITION-BOOK-/380259047656?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible#ht_3701wt_ 1137

Honestly mate i think all the books that this guy puts up are fakes! He/she has been doing it for ages and unfortunately people have been buying them!

[jhanic]

Avoid it. Look at the other King items he has. None have dust jackets and all the signatures are virtually identical. (Tracings?)

John

[johnsmith87]

Yeah, I think the seller is highly suspect. I mean, a signed copy of It, The Stand, Carrie, The Shining, etc. all for sale at the same time? Seems suspicious. Still, I can't tell if the signatures are real or not.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Avoid this seller like the plague.

[agrabin]

Got it...

See!! We behaved.
Congratulations - glad you got the book. :thumbsup:

sk

You did indeed and it is much appreciated...thanks to all

[SkippyD023]

This one is not even close to being a real sig.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-THINNER-Signed-Book-/270622133053?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

That is so bad.

[frik]

All signatures are Authenthic and real

:shoot:

sk

[Brice]

All signatures are Authenthic and real

:shoot:

sk

This is very true. They are, only the name signed doesn't necessarily represent the signer.

[gsvec]

You've GOT to be kidding! :lol: He actually put this in the auction! I've reported this, too.

Q: This is a horrible and obvious forgery and has been reported as such. You should remove this auction immediately. Aug-14-10
A: excuse me? i am an honest seller friend and if you want to report me go ahead. all my items are bought from US and UK agents or at private auctions. i have had 5 books signed by stephen king and even myself met him in the US, so the signature looks ok to me. please do not email me abuse or tell me what to do anymore and i will report you if your not careful as you have accused me of a forgery. i can sue you for this you do know that right, thats the law, watch what you say in the future and posting the message for all to see is not going to damage me either friend.,. i have not done any worng here. please watch what you say in the future as you are now telling everyone by posting the message that my items are fake. jonathan

[Randall Flagg]

The signature is so bad, he has done every buyer a favor.

[Patrick]

He seems to have gotten the message.


Please do not buy this item as i have done a full investigation on this item as its not a signed Stephen King, I have had 4 people verify it and also have emailed ebay the situation, i can not close the listing as the item is an auction format so please do not buy this. i will not take any responsibility if bought.

the item was bought from a seller who did not sell a proper signed signature.

thanks

[WeDealInLead]

Good on him. He could end the auction early though.

edit: nvm, he did end it.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

He seems to have gotten the message.


Please do not buy this item as i have done a full investigation on this item as its not a signed Stephen King, I have had 4 people verify it and also have emailed ebay the situation, i can not close the listing as the item is an auction format so please do not buy this. i will not take any responsibility if bought.

the item was bought from a seller who did not sell a proper signed signature.

thanks


Good on him. He could end the auction early though.

edit: nvm, he did end it.

His name is Jonathan from the UK. I'm working with him on six other King books he purchased from the same seller (to be named in a couple days).

More information to come. We have a scheduled chat session tomorrow afternoon.

Ralph Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Sam]

Tell him you are part of the group that scatoe74 talked about. I sent him this message:

"This is a horrible and obvious forgery and has been reported as such. You should remove this auction immediately."

He got all kinds of pissed about it, but everything worked out ok. He seems to be really concerned about the items he sells and really wants help determining the authenticity of several signed King items. I don't have the time with my wife being ill or the knowledge that you guys do. I hope we (TDT.com) can be of some help to him. It will only help us later by making a more educated and aware seller.

[Patrick]

Sounds like once he got over the shock at being taken, he's trying to do the right thing. I'm glad to hear that. Hope the chat goes well, Ralph. If he's on the up-and-up and is a King fan, feel free to invite him on over.

[SkippyD023]

OK this is really just a general complaint about many of the sellers on e-bay. I just needed to vent for a minute, sorry....

I realize that some people don't have the ability (technology) to take photos of the items they are selling on e-bay but at least be sure that the stock photo you are using is of the correct item. I don't know how many times I have had to e-mail the seller to ask if the cover of the book they are selling is the same as the stock photo shown in their listing. 99% of the time they tell me it is not. 50% of them change it to the correct one and the others leave it as is. WHY????

[Brice]

A. Because they are clueless or lazy? :orely:

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

A. Because they are clueless or lazy? :orely:

You have just described 95% of eBay sellers. :(

[Brice]

And the majority of the other 5% is accounted for by those who are both.

[SkippyD023]

What does everyone think of these three signatures

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Dark-Half-/160470836982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Regulators-/160470836070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Dark-Half-/160470836982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

[carlosdetweiller]

What does everyone think of these three signatures

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Dark-Half-/160470836982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Regulators-/160470836070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Dark-Half-/160470836982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

They are all forgeries, and poor ones at that.

[jhanic]

Yech!!

John

[frik]

What does everyone think of these three signatures

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Dark-Half-/160470836982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Regulators-/160470836070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Dark-Half-/160470836982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

They are all forgeries, and poor ones at that.

Poor ones...seriously??
I've seen real King signatures that looked worse.
These look ok to me...:orely:

sk

[lophophoras]

What does everyone think of these three signatures

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Dark-Half-/160470836982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Regulators-/160470836070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGNED-Book-Stephen-King-Dark-Half-/160470836982?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

They are all forgeries, and poor ones at that.

I agree. They look fake.

[ELazansky]

I'd be pretty scared to buy an SK book from an eBay seller with a feedback of 1. I know everyone has to start somewhere, but it could be someone trying to just make some easy money.

[carlosdetweiller]

Poor ones...seriously??



Yes. Those are pretty easy to discern as forgeries.

Also, I suspect the other signed books he is selling are forgeries too. I'm no expert on Harper Lee but I'm pretty sure his copy of TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD is a forgery.

[ELazansky]

I thought everyone could use a good laugh today - http://cgi.ebay.com/Misery-Stephen-King-1st-Initials-Signed-1987-Viking-/230514554412?pt=US_Fiction_Books

[sleeplessdwarf]

"Uniquely signed with initials on the title page"

He got that right.

[jhanic]

Anyone who buys that deserves to be ripped off!

John

[Rahfa]

I thought everyone could use a good laugh today - http://cgi.ebay.com/Misery-Stephen-King-1st-Initials-Signed-1987-Viking-/230514554412?pt=US_Fiction_Books

Honestly, of ALL the fakes and forgeries I've seen over the years, that is probably the worst one of all time. It's not even his signature, for crying out loud!

[sleeplessdwarf]

Anyone who buys that deserves to be ripped off!

John


Too funny. I swear, just 2 minutes before reading this, I said the exact words to my wife. It's sad that some one will likely fall for it, but in this case, it's tragic.

[east-tennessee]

:scared::doh::onfire:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dark-Tower-VI-Song-Susannah-Stephen-King-SIGNED-/220661374832?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3360715f70

[Patrick]

:scared::doh::onfire:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dark-Tower-VI-Song-Susannah-Stephen-King-SIGNED-/220661374832?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3360715f70
Oh my.

[biomieg]

What, didn't you guys know King signs his books by sticking a spiderweb in them nowadays? Looks pefectly genuine to me...

[Stockerlone]

:orely:

[Brice]

This may just win the prize for worst king sig. I thought King quit drugs long before he wrote that one. :lol:

[herbertwest]

this one is simply AWFUL!
I cannot believe that someone tries to sell this crap!

[Stockerlone]

Stephen King Orig.Autogramm 20x25 cm

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270627248767&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I asked the seller: Answer: Purchased from an reliable UK trader....

[jhanic]

I can't see the signature well enough to determine if it's real or not. I'd avoid it just for that reason.

John

[Ricky]

Definitely fake.

1. The "g" is a "loop", regular cursive "g", rather than his normal one.
2. SK doesn't sign photos.

[agrabin]

This looks good to me...any thoughts anyone?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280546701407&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[frik]

Looks fine to me. But I'd never pay for just King's signature.

sk

[Ricky]

If it's a fake, it's an incredibly good fake.

[east-tennessee]

Looks fake to me....what do you all think.

Brian......
http://cgi.ebay.com/Heart-Shaped-Box-Joe-Hill-signed-Stephen-King-First-ED-/220345774966?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item334da1b376

[Brice]

Joe's sig can be hard to tell, but I sure wouldn't want that one. I am sure it's fake...and ugly at that.

[east-tennessee]

This has to be the worst ever...but look now it's 15% off. I can't believe it's still listed.
someone should report this. How do you report fraud on e-bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dark-Tower-VI-Song-Susannah-Stephen-King-SIGNED-/220661374832?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3360715f70

[east-tennessee]

Hey David, (WIZ) heres one for you..Bloody Rare Books===Bloody Well Expensive!!!
Brian...

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEPHEN-KING-Carrie-SIGNED-1ST-ED-1ST-BOOK-/320496458593?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item4a9f13db61

[agrabin]

Thanks again guys

[jhanic]

This has to be the worst ever...but look now it's 15% off. I can't believe it's still listed.
someone should report this. How do you report fraud on e-bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dark-Tower-VI-Song-Susannah-Stephen-King-SIGNED-/220661374832?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3360715f70

On the right hand side of the listing, right under the More Info block, there's a Report Item button. Click it. You will get a screen that says Reason for Report. Select Counterfeits and copyright violation. In the next block, Detailed reason, select Bootlegs and counterfeit media. You'll then get another block, Additional Infomation. Select Counterfeit autographs, then click the Continue button. You'll then get more blocks, one of which has the item number and another that asks for a Brief description. In that block, state that the autograph is an obvious fake or words to that effect. Then click the Send Report button.

John

[Randall Flagg]

Looks fake to me....what do you all think.

Brian......
http://cgi.ebay.com/Heart-Shaped-Box-Joe-Hill-signed-Stephen-King-First-ED-/220345774966?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item334da1b376
It doesn't look very good. I have one signed by JH on that very date.

[frik]

This has to be the worst ever...but look now it's 15% off. I can't believe it's still listed.
someone should report this. How do you report fraud on e-bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dark-Tower-VI-Song-Susannah-Stephen-King-SIGNED-/220661374832?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3360715f70

On the right hand side of the listing, right under the More Info block, there's a Report Item button. Click it. You will get a screen that says Reason for Report. Select Counterfeits and copyright violation. In the next block, Detailed reason, select Bootlegs and counterfeit media. You'll then get another block, Additional Infomation. Select Counterfeit autographs, then click the Continue button. You'll then get more blocks, one of which has the item number and another that asks for a Brief description. In that block, state that the autograph is an obvious fake or words to that effect. Then click the Send Report button.

John

Done!

sk

[Randall Flagg]

Looks fake to me....what do you all think.

Brian......
http://cgi.ebay.com/Heart-Shaped-Box-Joe-Hill-signed-Stephen-King-First-ED-/220345774966?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item334da1b376
I asked the seller 'Are you the original owner of the book, and where (what event, if any) did Joe sign it?
Thanks"

The response I received was
Dear zoidsmith,

Yes, I am the original owner. This was a Book Fair in Los Angeles.

Ann

- bozemanian


I know for a fact Joe Hill signed at M is for Mystery bookstore-located in San Mateo California on 3/13/07.
patrick personnaly went there and had stuff signed
Link to Patrick's thread on Joe Hill Message Board (http://joehillfiction.informe.com/forum/joe-hill-message-board-f13/m-is-for-mystery-san-mateo-ca-tue-march-13-t92.html)

I don't believe JH was in Los Angeles the same date.

[ELazansky]

Looks fake to me....what do you all think.

Brian......
http://cgi.ebay.com/Heart-Shaped-Box-Joe-Hill-signed-Stephen-King-First-ED-/220345774966?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item334da1b376
It doesn't look very good. I have one signed by JH on that very date.

Here is a copy signed for $39.00 - I have purchased from this store many times and I've always been satisfied with their books:

http://www.mysterymikes.com/?page=shop/flypage&product_id=809418&keyword=joe+hill&searchby=author&offset=0&fs=1&CLSN_1519=12833631561519bffcd2ebc729154d94

And here's another at VJBooks for $49.00 - http://www.vjbooks.com/Joe-Hill-Heart-Shaped-Box-p/hilhear01.htm

Don't waste time on eBay when you can shop around elsewhere... :-)

[Randall Flagg]

I think I have one for a member here that is less expensive, and comes with promo stuff.

[Ari_Racing]

Okay...here's the issue:

I purchased this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180534910297&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

And today, when I receive it, I see that it's not THAT Stephen King. (LOOOOL)

So...I wasn't going to complain with the seller, until I saw again the title and the fact that at no point he mentions that it's not the SK we know.

Any suggestions on what can I tell the seller? The book I already assumed it I've been busted, so I listed it again (adding a red sentence in the auction saying it's NOT THAT SK).

Suggestions are welcomed. Laughs as well....

[ELazansky]

Okay...here's the issue:

I purchased this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180534910297&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

And today, when I receive it, I see that it's not THAT Stephen King. (LOOOOL)

So...I wasn't going to complain with the seller, until I saw again the title and the fact that at no point he mentions that it's not the SK we know.

Any suggestions on what can I tell the seller? The book I already assumed it I've been busted, so I listed it again (adding a red sentence in the auction saying it's NOT THAT SK).

Suggestions are welcomed. Laughs as well....

I don't know...I don't think you really can suggest anything to the seller. He's not making any misrepresentations about the book. The book may be a rare book. He's simply stating all of the pertinent info about the book. Buyer has to know what they are purchasing.

[east-tennessee]

Originally Posted by east-tennessee
This has to be the worst ever...but look now it's 15% off. I can't believe it's still listed.
someone should report this. How do you report fraud on e-bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dark-Tower-VI-So...item3360715f70

This item has been removed.......

[Randall Flagg]

Okay...here's the issue:

I purchased this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180534910297&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

And today, when I receive it, I see that it's not THAT Stephen King. (LOOOOL)

So...I wasn't going to complain with the seller, until I saw again the title and the fact that at no point he mentions that it's not the SK we know.

Any suggestions on what can I tell the seller? The book I already assumed it I've been busted, so I listed it again (adding a red sentence in the auction saying it's NOT THAT SK).

Suggestions are welcomed. Laughs as well....
I don't see the seller at fault. The auction does mention a 7 day money back, but the buyer pays shipping.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Sorry Ari....I have to agree with the others. The seller didn't misrepresent.

For laughs though, I always thought we should have a thread called....THE OTHER KING.

Just so we can post items like the one you purchased or like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Steven-King-Geelong-VFL-AFL-Football-Medal-/260614658627?pt=AU_Sport_AFL_Memorabilia&hash=item3cadd81a43

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Ari_Racing]

No, I understand, of course. But still...

Anyway. I hope I can get at least 10 dls :D

[herbertwest]

Okay...here's the issue:

I purchased this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180534910297&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

And today, when I receive it, I see that it's not THAT Stephen King. (LOOOOL)

So...I wasn't going to complain with the seller, until I saw again the title and the fact that at no point he mentions that it's not the SK we know.

Any suggestions on what can I tell the seller? The book I already assumed it I've been busted, so I listed it again (adding a red sentence in the auction saying it's NOT THAT SK).

Suggestions are welcomed. Laughs as well....

On top of that, this item was posted on the forum, (Mike Pasuik i think) saying that it WASNT our King.. :s

I wouldnt believe that such a novel/ long book, published in 1979 is unknown from us ;-)

[Ari_Racing]

The seller contacted me and offered a refund if I returned the book. :)

[jhanic]

How good are the poems?

John

[Patrick]

How good are the poems?

John
:lol: John asks the relevant question that we all missed.

Sounds like a lot of effort for naught, Ari. :(

By the way, HW is right, this book was already discussed somewhere in this forum as not being "our" SK.

[biomieg]

John :lol:

And it hasn't just been discussed on the forum recently, there's even a short comment on this exact same book from 'The Other King' in one of the early Castle Rock Newsletters (I forgot which issue). So the knowledge was there in the community at a certain point but got lost over time...

[Randall Flagg]

How good are the poems?

John
How good are the poems?

One cannot say,
True King they are not,.. is clear to see, a bit of Haiku:

E -bay, it is true..

You get what you thought was pure,

Cav-e-at emp-tor

[Patrick]

Outstanding, Jerome!

[biomieg]

Too bad I haven't got $195 to spare for this beautiful signed 1st edition 'SALEM'S LOT (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SALEMS-LOT-Signed-1st-Edition-HBDJ-/140447981312?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item20b35a1f00)!!

[Brice]

It's a shame you didn't have it when you went to the king signing, Ari. The price of the auction might have been worth the laugh of trying to get him to sign it.

[Sam]

Too bad I haven't got $195 to spare for this beautiful signed 1st edition 'SALEM'S LOT (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-SALEMS-LOT-Signed-1st-Edition-HBDJ-/140447981312?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item20b35a1f00)!!

It just doesn't seem right.
1. It's not inscribed to anyone.
2. It's apparently signed on a completely blank page. The ad says inside cover and I've never known an author to sign a book on the inside cover at a signing, and I have dozens of signed books and seen hundreds more.
3. The signature doesn't look right.
4. The book is in abysmal condition. The dj is trashed and the book itself looks as if it has several torn places along the bottom corners and damaged top corners as well.

[Randall Flagg]

I agree. Hard to imagine King signing the inside board of a book, but perhaps...in 1975 he did.
Signature still sucks.

[carlosdetweiller]

I tend to think the signature is legit. It's too bad the book is so trashed. I'd buy it for my collection if the book were in better shape.

[biomieg]

Yeah, I was being sarcastic because of the condition of the book and DJ but I can't really comment on the signature. It does look like early King but I have too little experience to be sure.

[surly]

I tend to think the signature is legit. It's too bad the book is so trashed. I'd buy it for my collection if the book were in better shape.

Do you think it's legit?
By NO means would I ever consider myself an expert but since I found this site, I've been studying all your opinions and doing my best to try and start forming my own when I see things on ebay (just for fun -- nothing I would ever act on yet).
This one definitely stumped me and I was hoping it would show up in discussion. I've seen a couple of 70's sigs however I don't think I've seen one from that early. I was leaning toward legit, but there were a lot of points I wasn't sure about:

1. The "Stephen" looked good to me, but I've never seen the "t" crossed that way.
2. I thought the "ing" could have passed but the "k" just didn't look right.
3. "December" and even the comma compared well to other writing I've seen but every "7" I've come across has a horizontal line through it.

Because this one is so early, I thought maybe things just changed over the years.

Any and all coaching on my analysis from the experts is welcome and appreciated.

jim

[Randall Flagg]

I tend to think the signature is legit. It's too bad the book is so trashed. I'd buy it for my collection if the book were in better shape.

Do you think it's legit?
By NO means would I ever consider myself an expert but since I found this site, I've been studying all your opinions and doing my best to try and start forming my own when I see things on ebay (just for fun -- nothing I would ever act on yet).
This one definitely stumped me and I was hoping it would show up in discussion. I've seen a couple of 70's sigs however I don't think I've seen one from that early. I was leaning toward legit, but there were a lot of points I wasn't sure about:

1. The "Stephen" looked good to me, but I've never seen the "t" crossed that way.
2. I thought the "ing" could have passed but the "k" just didn't look right.
3. "December" and even the comma compared well to other writing I've seen but every "7" I've come across has a horizontal line through it.

Because this one is so early, I thought maybe things just changed over the years.

Any and all coaching on my analysis from the experts is welcome and appreciated.

jim
It was only one opinion, (forget mine)
I tend to think the signature is legit.
but certainly from one of the most highly respected sources.

[surly]

It was only one opinion, (forget mine)
I tend to think the signature is legit.
but certainly from one of the most highly respected sources.

That's what I mean: with the one exception, everyone else tended to think it was junk. Are you able to reference any specific points on why you didn't like it?

[Randall Flagg]

I don't have (I'll look for) well documented images of King's signature prior to 1980.
In 1980 he signed and dated copies of his first Signed Limited book-Firestarter,
that is why I did and still do defer to Bob's (Carlosdetweiler) opinion.
BTAIM,
Here are side by side comparisons of two signatures dated ~5 years apart:
(L) Signature in question........ Firestarter S/L Signature (R)

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2987/presentation1t.jpg

[east-tennessee]

Another trashed Salem's Lot with a similar signature.......
I believe there both legit......

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Salems-Lot-1st-DJ-SIGNED-Rare-date-/250688582556?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item3a5e34339c

[surly]

I don't have (I'll look for) well documented images of King's signature prior to 1980.
In 1980 he signed and dated copies of his first Signed Limited book-Firestarter,
that is why I did and still do defer to Bob's (Carlosdetweiler) opinion.
BTAIM,
Here are side by side comparisons of two signatures dated ~5 years apart:
(L) Signature in question........ Firestarter S/L Signature (R)

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2987/presentation1t.jpg

Thanks for posting them side-by-side. It's a fun and facinating exercise to try and form an opinion on these things -- part of what makes collecting exciting for me. Again, I've never seen a signature from that time frame, but even after comparing the two, there seems to me to be several points of similarity; I'm still going to stick with legit.

[jhanic]

Another trashed Salem's Lot with a similar signature.......
I believe there both legit......

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Salems-Lot-1st-DJ-SIGNED-Rare-date-/250688582556?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item3a5e34339c

I think it's a fake. Look at the way the t is crossed. I've never seen one like that.

John

[Rahfa]

Those 1975 sigs all look more or less like that...I think it's real, but very overpriced.

[east-tennessee]

Yes that crossed t is different, but the rest of it sure looks the same, the way the date is written ect.
It would be neat to see a side by side comparison of his sigs year by year to show how it has naturally changed.

Brian.

[ELazansky]

Yes that crossed t is different, but the rest of it sure looks the same, the way the date is written ect.
It would be neat to see a side by side comparison of his sigs year by year to show how it has naturally changed.

Brian.

Someone either on this site or The Collector's site put together a set of SK signatures year by year. I can't find what thread it was in...

[Randall Flagg]

It's been put away. The consensus was that posting high resolution signatures would benefit a forger more than our group.

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

It is still on the site...if you look hard enough :P

[biomieg]

Hahahaha... this one (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stephen-King-signed-book-/280557919808?pt=Fiction&hash=item41528e1e40) is amazing! And don't you just love the description:


A book once owned by my late brother. His last years were spent in Scotland. He lived in the US for 40 years.
His name was McDonald and he was in publishing ...
This book is part of a ...inheritance/legacy...
Anyway I am 100% positive that it was signed by King sometime in the late 70's .
The signature has been looked at by the S/King experts and they are unanimous in there decision..they dont know ...
Try it yourself..ask the Stephen King experts...show them this signature...
Anyway...my brother croaked.
I want at least a tenner...or it gets fucking burned....

Sorry...

[Brice]

And someone bid on it. :rofl:

I'm hoping that they just wanted to burn it themselves and didn't believe King signed it.

[jhanic]

Reported.

John

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

And someone bid on it. :rofl:

I'm hoping that they just wanted to burn it themselves and didn't believe King signed it.

They must be the most stupid person to walk this earth! Deserves them right. It's not even a King book.

[SkippyD023]

Can someone provide an opinion on these two signatures. Thanks.

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/SkippyD023/STEPHEN_KING_2_001a.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/SkippyD023/STEPHEN_KING_001a.jpg

[jhanic]

My gut says "No". They're just too similar in position, etc., and they're in too "straight" a line, if you know what I mean.

John

[Tito_Villa]

I bet those are from Atiqueshare???

[Mr. Rabbit Trick]

Both signatures are fakes.

[Rahfa]

Fakes.

You can actually see the slight improvement in the forging effort on the lower one...no question both are bad, though.

[carlosdetweiller]

I tend to think the signature is legit. It's too bad the book is so trashed. I'd buy it for my collection if the book were in better shape.

Do you think it's legit?
By NO means would I ever consider myself an expert but since I found this site, I've been studying all your opinions and doing my best to try and start forming my own when I see things on ebay (just for fun -- nothing I would ever act on yet).
This one definitely stumped me and I was hoping it would show up in discussion. I've seen a couple of 70's sigs however I don't think I've seen one from that early. I was leaning toward legit, but there were a lot of points I wasn't sure about:

1. The "Stephen" looked good to me, but I've never seen the "t" crossed that way.
2. I thought the "ing" could have passed but the "k" just didn't look right.
3. "December" and even the comma compared well to other writing I've seen but every "7" I've come across has a horizontal line through it.

Because this one is so early, I thought maybe things just changed over the years.

Any and all coaching on my analysis from the experts is welcome and appreciated.

jim

It is often hard for me to put into words exactly why I think a signature to be legit beyond "It just looks right to me." This one just looks "right" to me for 1975. The location on the page, the size of writing, the way he writes out the whole month of "December" rather than abbreviating, and the "7" without the horizontal line are all perfect for 1975.

Crossing the "7" with a horizontal line is sort of a European thing. King took his family to live in England for several months in 1978. He started crossing the 7s while he was there. So, signatures up to early 1978 will NOT have a crossed 7 but from mid-1978 on he usually crossed them. I guess there could be found exceptions to this but I don't think I have found any.

Also, about this time King was starting to cross the "t" in Steve or Stephen without lifting the pen from the page and this one shows that but he hadn't yet developed the characteristic loop that we see on virtually all signatures after 1976.

This one does look a little funky but looks very much like this one currently running on eBay where he has signed as "Steve."

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380264626952&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Also, it looks to me as though King has signed the front free endpaper (ffe) which is pretty typical for him and most authors. Some seem to think he has signed the pastedown but I'm pretty sure it is the ffe.

[carlosdetweiller]

Another trashed Salem's Lot with a similar signature.......
I believe there both legit......

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Salems-Lot-1st-DJ-SIGNED-Rare-date-/250688582556?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item3a5e34339c

Yes, this one would be worth 2 or 3 thousand (maybe more) if in fine condition. It is a legit signature on the actual date of publication. It is a real shame that it was not kept in better condition. It still has some value but I'm not sure how much. $500, maybe?

[Brice]

It hurts to look at that book. :(

[surly]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380264626952&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT[/url]

Also, it looks to me as though King has signed the front free endpaper (ffe) which is pretty typical for him and most authors. Some seem to think he has signed the pastedown but I'm pretty sure it is the ffe.

Thanks for the thoughts.
Your insight is much appreciated.

jim

[Rahfa]

This one does look a little funky but looks very much like this one currently running on eBay where he has signed as "Steve."

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380264626952&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

The long inscription pretty much proves it too...every word matches his style as well.

[Randall Flagg]

Thoughts on this signature?


http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8681/standsig.jpg

[Rahfa]

Looks good and pretty recent.

[jhanic]

I agree.

John

[Randall Flagg]

It has a $450 BIN. Perhaps a bit high.
Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-STAND-Complete-and-Uncut-Edition-/270630432008?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item3f02d4ad08)

[Hutch]

a tough book to find legitimately signed and the price is probably not too far off. Would be nicer had it been signed closer to the date of publication.

[Calla_Wolf]

Here's an expensive mistake on the part of the buyer

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SHINING-STEPHEN-KING-SIGNED-COA-/170541566837?pt=Fiction&hash=item27b511cb75

[surly]

I'm starting to gain a lot more confidence in my ability spot fakes since finding my way here but I still don't think I'm ready go it alone yet.
I feel very good about this one but before I commit to buying, I wanted to double check with the experts. Thoughts:

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab21/surly_pics/King%20Pics/Needfulsigna.jpg

[carlosdetweiller]

I feel very good about this one but before I commit to buying, I wanted to double check with the experts. Thoughts:


I think it looks fine.

[jhanic]

I agree.

John

[Room 217 Caretaker]

:clap: It's real.....I wonder if the last name is Claiborne?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[gsvec]

I think it's good, too. And I wonder if you're right, Ralph!! :scared:

[surly]

:clap: It's real.....I wonder if the last name is Claiborne?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Funny you should ask; the seller says she worked at Viking and this is the story she passed along:

"couple of bits of information if you are interested that you can add to information about this book. It was signed when Mr. King came to the office to pick up his royalty check. I left the company in "98 after a nasty takover by Putnam. I don't think Mr. King was happy losing his editorial staff either and I think he lelt around that time too. After 26 years in operations, my name was known by everyone and I was teased that he must have named Dolores Claiborne after me."

True or not, it's a fun story.

[carlosdetweiller]

True or not, it's a fun story.

Yep. Good stuff!

[surly]

oh, and by the way, thanks to everyone for your opinions -- your time and insight is always appreciated.

I love this place.

jim

[Stockerlone]

`Original´ sig. from King :orely:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120625242715&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120617923477&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[jhanic]

I don;t like either of those. I think they're both fakes.

John

[gsvec]

I agree, John. Ick.

[Stockerlone]

More ´real´:orely: signatures

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180568764402


http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110593031470&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[jhanic]

The first one is fake. I can't see the second one well enough to make a decision. It blends in with the background too much.

John

[Sam]

They both look fake to me. The "S" is barely an "S" on the second one.

[Stockerlone]

Yes, think ´BAD Fakes´... :orely:
4 ugly Fake SK signs on ebay.de in one week:nope:

[Tito_Villa]

I am sick of this ebayer - antiqueahere putting up fake sigs ... makes me soooo angry! Check out all their signed books here - http://shop.ebay.com/antiqueshere/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

[frik]

Bad! :shoot:

sk

[SkippyD023]

I am sure this is an easy one for someone to answer. Does it look legit? The Stephen just looks really sloppy to me but I suppose if it was towards the end of one of the signings he might have been getting tired.

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx254/SkippyD023/UTDSig.jpg

[shnnrc01]

looks good to me.

[jhanic]

Looks good to me too. King's later signatures have been getting "sloppier" for a while.

John

[Ricky]

I agree. Alot of the sigs. from the signing I went to looked very similiar to the one above.

[carlosdetweiller]

I think it is just fine.

[SkippyD023]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate the responses.

[agrabin]

http://i.ebayimg.com/19/!B5JVUKQ!2k~$(KGrHqEOKikEyV3VvOQwBMsgt07F9g~~_12.J PG

I claim the prize for finding the worst signature of 2010 so far

:doh:

[ELazansky]

Must have been some party he was at when he signed that book :wtf:

[Ricky]

If it's not too expensive, that would be an amazing gag gift. :rofl:

[Patrick]

If it's not too expensive, that would be an amazing gag gift. :rofl:
Because it makes you want to gag?



:lol:

[jhanic]

$600 for a notebook bound copy of The Plant-Zenith Rising!

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=1394512251&searchurl=an%3Dstephen%2Bking%26sts%3Dt%26tn%3Dpla nt%26x%3D0%26y%3D0

John

[Randall Flagg]

Wow. I would think $6 a tad too much.

[Ricky]

If it's not too expensive, that would be an amazing gag gift. :rofl:
Because it makes you want to gag?



:lol:


That too! Hey, if I was on the receiving end of that gift, I'd put it in my collection. :lol:

[Room 217 Caretaker]

:clap: I think someone is trying to pull a Halloween trick in the UK:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Hand-Signed-Dolores-Claiborne-1-1-D-J-/380283837517?pt=Fiction&hash=item588aaedc4d

Who ever buys this book will be quoting Charlie Brown during his trick or treating on The Great Pumpkin....."I got a rock"

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[jhanic]

Looking at this guy's other auctions, he sounds really fishy. He's got a "first edition/first printing" of Dracula (allbeit it's a first printing from a different publisher and dates it as 1912 instead of the actual publication date of 1897) and is including a letter from Bram Stoker and a signed bookplate by Stoker. Did they even have bookplates back then?

John

[Patrick]

:clap: I think someone is trying to pull a Halloween trick in the UK:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Hand-Signed-Dolores-Claiborne-1-1-D-J-/380283837517?pt=Fiction&hash=item588aaedc4d

Who ever buys this book will be quoting Charlie Brown during his trick or treating on The Great Pumpkin....."I got a rock"

Mulleins
Cumberland VA
Reported.

[gsvec]

I think he used a bookplate so he could practice until he got one close. Not VERY close, by the way, but he tried. :lol: Reported.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

I have a question. Just asking for opinions, please don't go after the seller.

This auction for a UK Under the Dome S/L #76 is my number. It sits in my closet. The seller is stating a sample signed page but is this right? I know Tomas has my page on his website to show what the page looks like but again, it was a little strange to see my UTD S/L number on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/UNDER-DOME-Stephen-King-UK-HC-SIGNED-LTD-unopened-/300487719104?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item45f676b8c0

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[jhanic]

The seller does indicate that the limitation page is a sample and that the volume is still in its original shrinkwrap. I think it's okay, but I think it would have been better not to have included the picture at all.

John

[Randall Flagg]

Interesting the seller puts his own watermark on the photo he "borrowed".

[Sam]

It's not a violation of ebay policy, that's about all I know.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Stephen-King-Hand-Signed-Original-Very-Rare-/260685581051?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb2124afb

Quote from his auction

"recently purchased from a fully accredited UACC Registered Dealer; this will make a great addition to your own collection or could be a completely unique gift"

I would have to say he is right in one area......that is a unique signature.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[Sam]

Reported.

[frik]

And ended! :clap:

sk

[Randall Flagg]

I bought a new SOD Volume Two S/l recently. I asked the seller to package very carefully as the book was large and could be damaged in shipping. I paid extra for Expedited shipping and proper handling.
They ended up shoving it in a flat rate box that barely covered the book end to end.
Needless to say, the results were predictable.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7918/img1816a.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8379/img1812b.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1048/img1813wi.jpg

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2602/img1815o.jpg

[turtlex]

Are you sending it back, Jerome? What did they say when you contacted them?

[Randall Flagg]

We are working on a mutually agreeable resolution.

[jhanic]

It's a shame that sellers of more expensive books aren't more careful in their packaging. This happens SO often.

And then there are the sellers of less expensive volumes who take extra care. My wife ordered, from a seller via Amazon, a book of Chinese scenic photographs. (She just returned from a 16-day tour of China and saw this book, but didn't have room to bring it back.) Her total cost, including shipping, was $6.65. The book was packed extremely well and came in without a mark.

John

[turtlex]

John, I know exactly what you mean. When I do get a book that is packaged properly, I'm over the moon thrilled with it.

I got a signed/numbered Robert Silverberg edition from Subterranean Press yesterday. The book itself was in plastic, then in bubble-wrap. That was placed in the center of a large box that was then filled with "popcorn" packing things, all around it - sides, top and bottom.

The book arrived in pristine condition. That's the way it should be done!

[ChristineB]

Jerome,

That just makes me sick to my stomach.

John, that would be me, when I sent out the copies of UTD to forum members last year I think I added 2lbs to each box with all the extra packaging I did. After seeing for myself what shipping can do to a book I tend to go a bit over board these days. :)

[frik]

Just awful, Jerome.
I do hope you can come to some arrangement.

sk

[Patrick]

... They ended up shoving it in a flat rate box that barely covered the book end to end. ...
Gah! I HATE that!

[Fsmdr]

... They ended up shoving it in a flat rate box that barely covered the book end to end. ...
Gah! I HATE that!

So sorry to hear of your damage, Jerome. I have sold 3 copies of SOD 1 in the past and have had to ship them in the larger weight-based Priority packaging precisely for that reason.

[thegreattim]

I got a signed/numbered Robert Silverberg edition from Subterranean Press yesterday. The book itself was in plastic, then in bubble-wrap. That was placed in the center of a large box that was then filled with "popcorn" packing things, all around it - sides, top and bottom.

The book arrived in pristine condition. That's the way it should be done!

Hey, I got my copy yesterday also! Did you think it was odd that the color plates were reprinted as black and whites within a couple of pages of the original? Strange move for SP.

Speaking of their shipping though, that extra careful packaging came at a steep learning curve for them. I had a S/L come from them a while back (thank goodness it was not one for my matching number sets) and the book was shipped in a bubbled envelope only. The post office somehow managed to fold the entire book in half so that the top of the book was almost touching the bottom... pretty impressive for ~400pg book.

It was shortly after that I noticed the three layers of protection come into play. :-)

[thegreattim]

We are working on a mutually agreeable resolution.

I really hope that you can work something out! It's horrible to see S/Ls treated like that. I can't even comprehend someone shipping a book out like that...

[agrabin]

My thoughts are this is good but I like to run it past you guys first...

Circa 1999 -

http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k366/antrimboy/SKSignature.jpg

[Tito_Villa]

Looks good to me!

[carlosdetweiller]

My thoughts are this is good but I like to run it past you guys first...


I think it is probably OK but it does look a bit "off." Could you post a larger, clearer picture? Preferably one that shows the signature and the entire page?

[agrabin]

Sorry...I keep having problems getting pictures to load...

...try this...

http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k366/antrimboy/B6fBGkKGrHqMOKiMEyh7WF2mBMyE6y5p_12.jpg

[carlosdetweiller]

Sorry...I keep having problems getting pictures to load...

...try this...



It looks probably OK. But it seems to be signed close to the bottom of the page. That would be very out of the ordinary for King. In what book is this signed? Can you post a picture of the entire page?

[agrabin]

I think it makes sense for the signature to be where it is - on the title page of Bag of Bones (the UK edition) since that is where the biggest space is.

[carlosdetweiller]

I think it makes sense for the signature to be where it is - on the title page of Bag of Bones (the UK edition) since that is where the biggest space is.

OK. I couldn't tell where it was with the photo provided.

[agrabin]

Thanks for the advice

[herbertwest]

Does anyone know the seller "oncereadbooks " on ebay?
I asked him a while back how much were the shipping to France he never replied. So i used the BIN option for an item anyway, thinking that he wont have any choice but answering me cause i was apparently the only one interested by this item.

I choose "asked the seller the cost", but he still havent replied. I tried it another time just now... nothing

What would you do? I want this item :-(

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Does anyone know the seller "oncereadbooks " on ebay?
I asked him a while back how much were the shipping to France he never replied. So i used the BIN option for an item anyway, thinking that he wont have any choice but answering me cause i was apparently the only one interested by this item.

I choose "asked the seller the cost", but he still havent replied. I tried it another time just now... nothing

What would you do? I want this item :-(

Email Roger direct here:

Roger@OnceReadBooks.com

Once Read Books
5422 E. Village Road
Long Beach, CA 90808

If you don't get through let me know.

Also, am I understanding you correct, you used the Buy it Now feature but the seller didn't respond?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[herbertwest]

Does anyone know the seller "oncereadbooks " on ebay?
I asked him a while back how much were the shipping to France he never replied. So i used the BIN option for an item anyway, thinking that he wont have any choice but answering me cause i was apparently the only one interested by this item.

I choose "asked the seller the cost", but he still havent replied. I tried it another time just now... nothing

What would you do? I want this item :-(

Email Roger direct here:

Roger@OnceReadBooks.com

Once Read Books
5422 E. Village Road
Long Beach, CA 90808

If you don't get through let me know.

Also, am I understanding you correct, you used the Buy it Now feature but the seller didn't respond?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

thanks.
Yeah. I asked prior to buy it, and he didnt reply. Then i used the BIN option, I asked (saying that if i'd prefer i could ask to get it shipped to a friend in the USA), still no answer...
I asked again yesterday...

Ok it's not an expensive item, but it's still $20...

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Does anyone know the seller "oncereadbooks " on ebay?
I asked him a while back how much were the shipping to France he never replied. So i used the BIN option for an item anyway, thinking that he wont have any choice but answering me cause i was apparently the only one interested by this item.

I choose "asked the seller the cost", but he still havent replied. I tried it another time just now... nothing

What would you do? I want this item :-(

Email Roger direct here:

Roger@OnceReadBooks.com

Once Read Books
5422 E. Village Road
Long Beach, CA 90808

If you don't get through let me know.

Also, am I understanding you correct, you used the Buy it Now feature but the seller didn't respond?

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

thanks.
Yeah. I asked prior to buy it, and he didnt reply. Then i used the BIN option, I asked (saying that if i'd prefer i could ask to get it shipped to a friend in the USA), still no answer...
I asked again yesterday...

Ok it's not an expensive item, but it's still $20...

If he doesn't respond to you let me know. I'll contact him direct and have it shipped to me and I'll turn around and get it to you.

Of course, now your $20 item is turning into more $ because all the shipping but hey, if it's something you want I completely understand.

Hope I can help

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[herbertwest]

Do you know him?
I'll mail you in a week if i dont have any answer.. Thanks!

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Do you know him?
I'll mail you in a week if i dont have any answer.. Thanks!

I've bought from him but really don't know him. What he needs to understand is the King collecting world is smaller than he might think.

You don't treat any client in the manner he is treating you. If he won't ship outside the US he simply needs to state that so you can make arrangements.

Let me know if he won't respond. I have Rogers phone number.

I'll get your item for you :evil:

Ralph Mulleins

[shnnrc01]

you go ralph!!

[redsoxfan565]

thanks.
Yeah. I asked prior to buy it, and he didnt reply. Then i used the BIN option, I asked (saying that if i'd prefer i could ask to get it shipped to a friend in the USA), still no answer...
I asked again yesterday...

Ok it's not an expensive item, but it's still $20...

Why would you buy an item, when there is no indication that the seller will ship to your location, and on top of the fact he didn't answer your question? I think this problem starts and ends with you. Yes he should've responded, but if its nowhere in his auctions or his page that he states that he ships international, he probably doesn't. Why would you assume by purchasing the item you will get your way? This is how problems occur on eBay, lack of communication and people just blatantly assuming stuff.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Why would you buy an item, when there is no indication that the seller will ship to your location, and on top of the fact he didn't answer your question? I think this problem starts and ends with you. Yes he should've responded, but if its nowhere in his auctions or his page that he states that he ships international, he probably doesn't. Why would you assume by purchasing the item you will get your way? This is how problems occur on eBay, lack of communication and people just blatantly assuming stuff.

But it's the sellers responsibility to state if he would or would not ship outside of the US. It's also the sellers responsibility to respond in a timely manner to all questions. The point here, Ebay has seller rules and the seller isn't following through with the rules. A bad seller, not a bad buyer.

Like you, just my opinion.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[jhanic]

I agree with you, Ralph. It's up to the seller to respond properly, not the buyer.

John

[Rahfa]

Well...I agree that the seller should respond...key word, "Should." But that's courtesy and professionalism, not a hard and fast rule..maybe the guy was out of town, maybe the email didn't go through, who knows.

If the listing doesn't explicity state "worldwide," then you can assume the seller will NOT ship worldwide...I don't know if it did, though.

RedSox is right...if you bid on an item when you had unanswered questions, you have no inherent right to expect satisfaction....the fact that your question didn't get answered IS an answer.

[Randall Flagg]

I bought a new SOD Volume Two S/l recently. I asked the seller to package very carefully as the book was large and could be damaged in shipping. I paid extra for Expedited shipping and proper handling.
They ended up shoving it in a flat rate box that barely covered the book end to end.
Needless to say, the results were predictable.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7918/img1816a.jpg

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8379/img1812b.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1048/img1813wi.jpg

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2602/img1815o.jpg


I asked the seller for a $20 credit and they issued $15.
Fair or not fair?

[jhanic]

Not fair. That bump devalues the book by AT LEAST $20.

John

[e_taylor]

To be honest, even though the damage isn't significant, I'd rather return it and find another copy.

Not sure about you, but for me it would always stick out like a sore thumb.

[Randall Flagg]

I should have mentioned that I obtained a replacement case, (with no help from the seller) but I spent ~$13 just for shipping, not counting the larger packaging box, protective materials, time to wrap and the trip to mail it back.
I'm inclined to provide negative feedback if they don't add $5.

[e_taylor]

I should have mentioned that I obtained a replacement case, (with no help from the seller) but I spent ~$13 just for shipping, not counting the larger packaging box, protective materials, time to wrap and the trip to mail it back.
I'm inclined to provide negative feedback if they don't add $5.

I'd say they should refund you your whole cost of obtaining a replacement case.

[Room 217 Caretaker]

Well...I agree that the seller should respond...key word, "Should." But that's courtesy and professionalism, not a hard and fast rule..maybe the guy was out of town, maybe the email didn't go through, who knows.

If the listing doesn't explicity state "worldwide," then you can assume the seller will NOT ship worldwide...I don't know if it did, though.

RedSox is right...if you bid on an item when you had unanswered questions, you have no inherent right to expect satisfaction....the fact that your question didn't get answered IS an answer.

The difference here is Buy it Now vs. a bid. The member here used the Buy it Now and still didn't get a response from the seller. Again, the seller has Ebay rules he/she must follow through with on a sell. If the seller can't ship outside the US a simple email to the buyer stating that fact should have been immediate.

I'm still taking the side of our member and not the seller on this issue.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

[redsoxfan565]

The difference here is Buy it Now vs. a bid. The member here used the Buy it Now and still didn't get a response from the seller. Again, the seller has Ebay rules he/she must follow through with on a sell. If the seller can't ship outside the US a simple email to the buyer stating that fact should have been immediate.

I'm still taking the side of our member and not the seller on this issue.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Going off of what has been said, the buyer probably hasn't paid yet, so there is no eBay rule saying he has to do anything as a seller.

Technically, it is against eBay policy for a buyer to force a seller to ship to their location. This is, in essence, what is going on here. Each item can be given an option where sellers can add international shipping. If that isn't in the auction, and it is nowhere in the auction description, then chances are the seller does not ship to the buyers location.

Yes he should've responded to the question, but it isn't against eBay policy if he doesn't. Nor is he responsible to ship to the buyer's location, if it isn't stated that he will ship there. The buyer is at fault here for trying to push a seller to ship to a location he doesn't ship to.

[herbertwest]

I bought it anyway cause i told him that if he wanted it could get delivered in the USA...
Prefer to France, but possible in the USA.

[Rahfa]

The difference here is Buy it Now vs. a bid. The member here used the Buy it Now and still didn't get a response from the seller. Again, the seller has Ebay rules he/she must follow through with on a sell. If the seller can't ship outside the US a simple email to the buyer stating that fact should have been immediate.

I'm still taking the side of our member and not the seller on this issue.

Mulleins
Cumberland VA

Not to give Herbert a hard time on this, because you're right, I'm frankly more on the member's side too...

But...why would you ever put a BIN on an item when you have outstanding questions? It makes no sense. Like I said, if you don't get an answer to a question that should raise all sorts of red flags.

However, once an item is sold, I'm sure the seller will eventually get in contact...they have to pay the final value fee, after all.

[biomieg]

I know for a fact that eBay sellers won't always contact you in case of a winning bid. About two years ago, I won a SONG OF SUSANNAH Artist Edition on eBay (the listing mentioned the possibility of international shipping so I bit the bullet). I immediately sent the seller an email after the auction ended and asked him/her for an invoice including actual shipping costs to Europe. I never got a reply. The eBay Resolution Centre wasn't helpful - they only advised me to try and give the seller a call, which I refused to do because 1) the time difference was quite large and I would have had to call at a moment that would be incovenient to me and 2) I felt that it was a really awkward situation for me to have to call the seller (and pay the $$ for the international call) and get him to act in a responsible manner. So, I never got the book nor any sign of life from the seller but since I hadn't paid yet I decided to just let it go.

Who knows, maybe the seller died after listing the book? Anyway, since that day I've always tried to keep an email conversation going with any seller offering stuff I'm interested in, before placing a bid or using the BIN option.