BTVSAT - Round 1: 2000s (Bracket 2)

[mae]

Mad Men (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Men)
vs.
Firefly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_%28TV_series%29)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjhvtNs48SE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrAS20mNZUE

[RainInSpain]

Have not seen either, intend to watch both - will look closely at the outcome of this vote to see which one should be first :)

[Heather19]

I can't believe these two are up against each other. I'll have to think about it for a bit.

[LadyHitchhiker]

I voted Mad Men because honestly Firefly is boring to me.

[fernandito]

Firefly.

[mae]

I feel Mad Men is an instant classic. Those opening titles alone are amazing.

[candy]

Firefly, don't really get Madmen.

[OchrisO]

Browncoat, reporting for duty.

[mae]

don't really get Madmen.

The appeal of the critics and why it's received so many awards and why I personally find it one of the greatest series is its authenticity, attention to detail, the impeccable acting. It's addictive.

[alkanto]

Firefly!

[Girlystevedave]

F'n Mad Men! :D

[mae]

Both 2000s brackets thus far are so close. Is it just because they're fresher in people's minds than older series?

[Darkthoughts]

Not seen either. I've watched Serenity and I loved it, but I'm not voting unless I've seen the programmes in question :thumbsup:

[Mattrick]

Hmmm Mad Men, a quality show overall with great acting and writing; or Firefly, a show that didn't last more than a season and is made by Joss Whedon...not much of a debate here.

[mae]

Hmmm Mad Men, a quality show overall with great acting and writing; or Firefly, a show that didn't last more than a season and is made by Joss Whedon...not much of a debate here.

I agree but seeing as how it's tied up right now, it would seem there is a debate :)

[OchrisO]

Firefly didn't last more than a season because it was placed in the Friday night death slot by Fox and they aired the episodes all out of order, making the plot ridiculously hard to follow. In my opinion, Firefly was an amazing show that was turned into a complete hackjob by the network. When it is watched on DVD, as it was intended to be seen, it is wonderful. It is actually one of my favorite TV shows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_night_death_slot

[Emily]

My God, Firefly is winning?! Whatttttttttt

[pathoftheturtle]

It was actually pretty original, stylish, so I give it points for creativity... but I still vote Mad Men.

[Mattrick]

Firefly didn't last more than a season because it was placed in the Friday night death slot by Fox and they aired the episodes all out of order, making the plot ridiculously hard to follow. In my opinion, Firefly was an amazing show that was turned into a complete hackjob by the network. When it is watched on DVD, as it was intended to be seen, it is wonderful. It is actually one of my favorite TV shows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_night_death_slot

Yet Battlestar Galactica succeeded...for four seasons. I always hear that excuse 'friday night timeslot. X-Files also succeeded for almost ten years. If the show was good enough they would have another network or day (Everybody Loves Raymond, CSI) to air it. Plenty of shows started on friday but were then moved to other days. Fox is synonymous with this 'friday night death slot' because most of the shows on Fridays were pieces of shit like Dark Angel and Fastlane. I think if firefly was really that good of a show and it became such a cult hit after DVD, it would have come back not unlike shows like Family Guy and Futurama had due to DVD sales.

Firefly was probably a show people enjoy but certainly doesn't appeal to everyone. You can blame the timeslot all you want. Simple fact was it didn't appeal to enough people to succeed. This is further evidenced by the fact Serenity lost 15 million in the box office and only made 1/4 it's money back on opening weekend.

[DoctorDodge]

One thing I'd like to add that needs to be taken into consideration of why Battlestar did so well was that it was a remake of a once popular show. If it had been anything else, well, it could've gone either way, i think. But the fact that it was something of a recognisable name certainly would've drawn people. The fact that it was, admittedly, so bloody good, especially for a remake was what kept people watching, but if it had been something brand new, would people have been drawn to it as much?

All i know is...i really do need to get round to watching season 2!

[OchrisO]

Firefly didn't last more than a season because it was placed in the Friday night death slot by Fox and they aired the episodes all out of order, making the plot ridiculously hard to follow. In my opinion, Firefly was an amazing show that was turned into a complete hackjob by the network. When it is watched on DVD, as it was intended to be seen, it is wonderful. It is actually one of my favorite TV shows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_night_death_slot

Yet Battlestar Galactica succeeded...for four seasons. I always hear that excuse 'friday night timeslot. X-Files also succeeded for almost ten years. If the show was good enough they would have another network or day (Everybody Loves Raymond, CSI) to air it. Plenty of shows started on friday but were then moved to other days. Fox is synonymous with this 'friday night death slot' because most of the shows on Fridays were pieces of shit like Dark Angel and Fastlane. I think if firefly was really that good of a show and it became such a cult hit after DVD, it would have come back not unlike shows like Family Guy and Futurama had due to DVD sales.

Firefly was probably a show people enjoy but certainly doesn't appeal to everyone. You can blame the timeslot all you want. Simple fact was it didn't appeal to enough people to succeed. This is further evidenced by the fact Serenity lost 15 million in the box office and only made 1/4 it's money back on opening weekend.

The airing episodes completely out of order hurt it more than the time slot. If you look at the order they were intended and the order that they were actually aired, it is pretty crazy.

[Mattrick]

Then people should blame fox and their idiotic management instead. They're the idiots that cancelled Family Guy and Futurama at height of popularity. Surprised Simpsons lasted this long in their hands haha

[John Blaze]

Both great shows, tough call.

[mae]

My God, Firefly is winning?! Whatttttttttt

:couple:

[fernandito]

Pablo - how are you going to handle tie breakers ?

[mae]

Good question. So far it looks like we aren't having any so that's good. In case of a tie, we'll do what was done in the past, I guess, counting stated votes or support for one nominee or the other in the thread. There's really no other way, is there?

[fernandito]

I suppose not ...

[mae]

Or we could ask some of our intrepid directors to cast a deciding vote. Sort of what the US Vice President does in the Senate. And what was done with ties during our Constant Reader Awards (but of course those were much higher-profile polls).

[pathoftheturtle]

Flip a coin and post it on You Tube? :lol:

[Bethany]

I've seen neither :P

[mae]

I've seen neither :P

Remedy that presently!

[fernandito]

Flip a coin and post it on You Tube? :lol:

Ahahaha ! I see what you did there ... ;)

[mae]

Wow this is probably the closest bracket so far. Maybe because they're such different series.

[Mattrick]

This is looking to be a travesty.

[Emily]

For realz.

[mae]

This is looking to be a travesty.


For realz.

I'd like to remain as impartial as I can in these polls, but I'm quite surprised at the results so far. I'm not discounting Firefly, I know it's a very well-liked albeit cultish series, while Mad Men is probably the most acclaimed series currently on TV.

[pathoftheturtle]

...Firefly, I know it's a very well-liked albeit cultish series...Kind of like The Dark Tower? :orely:

[Mattrick]

Just seeing the question: 'Which Is The Better Series' and seeing Firefly as winning...sends chills down my spine. Is Firefly going to be the Tarantino of this tournament?

[pathoftheturtle]

You think it could defeat Beavis & Butthead?

[mae]

You think it could defeat Beavis & Butthead?

:rofl:

[OchrisO]

Firefly is awesome.
The Browncoats come out in force when that is in question.

I am not at all surprised at how things currently stand. I just hope it remains that way.

[mae]

This is madness :panic:

[OchrisO]

This is madness :panic:

THIS IS SPARTA!

*ahem*

[John Blaze]

:lol: Feev's gonna be mad you stole his setup. :rofl:

[mae]

This is madness :panic:

THIS IS SPARTA!

*ahem*

Do you not mean THIS IS FIREFLYYYY!

[OchrisO]

I almost certainly did not try google image search to find an image that had "THIS IS SPARTA!" written across a proper Firefly scene.

Almost certainly.

[mae]

Wish we could get more votes here for Mad Men :)

[mae]

I am rather saddened by the outlook.

[turtlex]

Joss.

[OchrisO]

Firefly is whipping that ass. It warms my heart.
I must post one of my favorite Firefly scene as a result.
Watch it and bask in its glory.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRlHwwVIug

[mae]

Mad Men getting left behind in the first round? I didn't really think that would be possible, but it's certainly looking that way.

[OchrisO]

That's because Firefly and Whedon are awesome, despite all the Mattrick hate. :)

[mae]

And Mad Men isn't awesome? Emmy voters would find that surprising.

[OchrisO]

It is a matter of degree. :)

[mae]

This poll is closing soon so get your votes in if you haven't yet.

[pathoftheturtle]

It is a matter of degree. :):wtf:

Again I tell you, pablo, Lost has it made in the shade for this decade, and to hell with reason.
However, for predictable final contenders, I guess that alongside Dr. Who I need to add Buffy. :rolleyes:

[mae]

Well for the 2000s I would think series like Breaking Bad, Six Feet Under, 24, will definitely give Lost trouble. I hope so anyway, wouldn't be fun otherwise.

[mae]

Firefly is moving on to Round 2, having received 20 votes (66.67%).

[OchrisO]

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