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Patrick
01-04-2008, 06:20 PM
I have a vague memory of Cry for the Strangers - was that the one about the genetic engineering of kids? Or am I totally off?

I think that's The God Project.



*slaps head* Oh, yeah, I think that was my first Saul.

Hey, it was 20-something years ago, sue me - I can't remember what I had for breakfast. :lol:
You read that book in Kindergarten?!

NeedfulKings
01-04-2008, 07:18 PM
... I love good literature, and that's what HP certainly is - as Lisa said, whereas the first two volumes might be for kids, since the third it's great for all ages (Azkaban got me really hooked, and I know I'm not alone)
That must be my problem. Long ago I read the first two volumes and then never picked up another HP book because they did not hold my interest. Based on all the avid fandom around here, and the glowing reviews that SK has written about the series, I'll try them again sometime.


Good for you, Patrick. If you're interested in a group read, I'll let you know when we start the third one. If not, let's at least have a beer over it!!! :cool:

We'll finish the first one this weekend, and then read a few things before we read the second...I suspect March or early April for the third.

Bethany
01-04-2008, 07:43 PM
angela's ashes~~frank mccourt.

it's made me have some wicked weird dreams.

Patrick
01-04-2008, 09:12 PM
... I love good literature, and that's what HP certainly is - as Lisa said, whereas the first two volumes might be for kids, since the third it's great for all ages (Azkaban got me really hooked, and I know I'm not alone)
That must be my problem. Long ago I read the first two volumes and then never picked up another HP book because they did not hold my interest. Based on all the avid fandom around here, and the glowing reviews that SK has written about the series, I'll try them again sometime.


blah blah blah let's at least have a beer over it!!! :cool: blah blah blah
I'm sorry, that's all I heard. :D




I better go back and read the first two again.

Daghain
01-05-2008, 09:50 AM
I have a vague memory of Cry for the Strangers - was that the one about the genetic engineering of kids? Or am I totally off?

I think that's The God Project.



*slaps head* Oh, yeah, I think that was my first Saul.

Hey, it was 20-something years ago, sue me - I can't remember what I had for breakfast. :lol:
You read that book in Kindergarten?!

Awww, that's why I love you. :wub:

Odetta
01-05-2008, 11:12 AM
Just started reading The Pianist - Spilman

William50
01-05-2008, 11:50 AM
I am reading Stephen King's IT for the 2nd time. Just as good as the first!

Brice
01-05-2008, 12:14 PM
Yes, that is always a good read. :)

William50
01-05-2008, 12:20 PM
The book is way better thatn the movie!

ManOfWesternesse
01-05-2008, 02:18 PM
On a re-read of Raymend E.Feist - Magician.

William50
01-05-2008, 02:19 PM
I just finished SK's IT. 3 days! My new reading record!

BlakeMP
01-06-2008, 10:02 AM
With Erin gone home :sigh: I'm getting around to reading the books I got for christmas. Currently working on The Frasier Scripts. My sister is good at picking out books for me. :D

NeedfulKings
01-06-2008, 06:37 PM
Just finished Harry Potter and the Scorcerer Stone.

Just started my first read of Dreamcatcher by King

William50
01-06-2008, 06:43 PM
I am reading The Stand by SK. Great so far!

sarah
01-06-2008, 06:50 PM
I tried reading Into The Wild with no luck. So I rented it on audio at the library and started to listen to it on my way to my parents house. I'm really enjoying it so far.

jayson
01-07-2008, 04:18 AM
Just started "War Fever," a collection of short stories by J.G. Ballard.

al'Lan Mandragoran
01-08-2008, 11:30 AM
The Pit and the Pendulum - Edgar A. Poe

Daghain
01-08-2008, 03:42 PM
OOOH, I LOOOOVE POE!!!! :wub:

Just finished a reread of Christine and am now on Water for Elephants by Sara Gruen.

ZoNeSeeK
01-08-2008, 08:27 PM
Reading 'Salem's Lot, sent by the lovely LISA! :D

Jean
01-09-2008, 02:20 AM
OOOH, I LOOOOVE POE!!!! :wub:
me too. Although he gave me horrible nightmares when I first read him at the age of nine (in Russian, but the translation was very good, as I found out later)

Letti
01-09-2008, 02:23 AM
Getting away from my daily busy business life I am reading The Magician's Nephew by C. S. Lewis. It's light and lovely. :)

jayson
01-09-2008, 05:08 AM
Although he gave me horrible nightmares when I first read him at the age of nine (in Russian, but the translation was very good, as I found out later)

Jean, perhaps you have already answered this in a previous thread that I have not come across, but I am curious... when you read the DT books the first time, was it in English or Russian? If it was the latter, how well does it translate? I am fascinated by things like that as I [unfortunately] only speak one language.

Jean
01-09-2008, 05:22 AM
I read all King in English except The Dead Zone, which I first read when I didn't know a word in English (I understood later that the translation was good. It was published when the Great Russian/Soviet school of translation hadn't died yet). When I learn a language I try to read only in the original, and King books became accessible to me (they began to be sold here, and Russian people were at last allowed to travel abroad) when I already knew enough English to read such things. All King translations I've ever leafed through since The Dead Zone were abominable.

jayson
01-09-2008, 05:58 AM
Interesting. Thanks Jean.

Jean
01-09-2008, 06:58 AM
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gif

Darkthoughts
01-09-2008, 07:01 AM
Reading 'Salem's Lot, sent by the lovely LISA! :D
:lol: That made me sound like a magicians assistant.

I'm rereading The Shining, I've only read it once before and that was 20 years ago, so it'll kind of be like the first time again :nana:

Vasagi
01-09-2008, 08:01 AM
Book currently sitting on the throne: World War Z by Max Brooks

Brice
01-09-2008, 08:13 AM
Reading 'Salem's Lot, sent by the lovely LISA! :D

...and I am reading Harry Potter And The Philosopher's Stone, also sent by the lovely LISA. :D

Darkthoughts
01-09-2008, 10:00 AM
...And now, for my next trick!... :lol:

jayson
01-09-2008, 10:05 AM
I'm reading Brice & Adumbros escalating war of words in the spoilers thread.:thumbsup:

Brice
01-09-2008, 10:38 AM
Entertaining wasn't it. :lol:

jayson
01-09-2008, 10:41 AM
Without question. thanks for the free entertainment

Brice
01-09-2008, 10:41 AM
*bows*

:D

wait! free???

jayson
01-09-2008, 10:42 AM
i could send you a beambuck or two for it :)

Brice
01-09-2008, 10:43 AM
Ok, one will do. :lol:



....just to save my ego from feeling cheap. :(

BlakeMP
01-11-2008, 09:21 AM
First Meetings -- an anthology of short stories and novellas in Orson Scott Card's Ender universe. Not bad so far.

alinda
01-11-2008, 10:25 AM
I reread The Mist yesterday, I hadnt read that in so long.
I actually bought a new copy just to have it on the shelf.

Daghain
01-11-2008, 10:34 AM
Lost Boy Lost Girl by Peter Straub

Patrick
01-11-2008, 05:56 PM
...Concurrently Reading:

1) DHARMA BUMS, by Jack Kerouac

2) THE PLANT, by Stephen King

3) THE SANDMAN, VOL. V - A GAME OF YOU, by Neil Gaiman

I finished DHARMA BUMS. I liked it ok, but ON THE ROAD is far better, IMO.

Still working on the other two slowly.

Also now reading: NEVERWHERE by Neil Gaiman :thumbsup:

PedroPáramo
01-12-2008, 11:39 PM
-Our lady of the Assasins-Fernando Vallejo
(I just finished it today)
-The Death of Artemio Cruz- Carlos Fuentes(half)
-For whom the bells tolls-Ernest Hemingway(just the beginning)

Lance
01-13-2008, 12:40 AM
I just finished reading The Bourne Ultimatum and quickly realized that the books are VEry different from the movies. Two of the main characters that died in the first two movies are very much alive and well in the third book. The adaptations are similar in name only. I want to go back and read Identity and Supremacy just to see what Robert Ludlum's true vision was.

Now I'm reading John Grisham's The Broker . And it's proving worthy of a Grisham novel. Very fast paced, extremely readable. I've only been reading it for two days and I expect to finish it whithin the next two.

Dud-a-chum?
01-13-2008, 11:19 AM
Erin: you will love HP! Keep reading! They get so much darker and more adult as they progress, as well, so get ready for some great creepy visuals!

As for what I'm reading currently, I'm double-timing The Legend of Drizzt series by R.A. Salvatore alongside the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan (R.I.P.)

I've been slowly finishing up "Eragon" as well, but not in a big rush to finish it. Great start and middle, but really drawn-out ending. :(

Darkthoughts
01-13-2008, 11:26 AM
I think I might check out those Bourne books :orely:

I'm rereading a Terry Pratchett book before I move onto more serious stuff. The next 5 books in my "to read" pile all look quite intense :ninja:

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 11:28 AM
Getting away from my daily busy business life I am reading The Magician's Nephew by C. S. Lewis. It's light and lovely. :)

Thats tied with The Lion, The Witch and Wardrobe as my favorite of the series.. :cool:

Dud-a-chum?
01-13-2008, 11:37 AM
Getting away from my daily busy business life I am reading The Magician's Nephew by C. S. Lewis. It's light and lovely. :)

Thats tied with The Lion, The Witch and Wardrobe as my favorite of the series.. :cool:


Never have Read any C.S. Lewis. What am I missing out on? I take it I should definately read the books if I really wnat the full story, right? I mean, because it looks to me like Disney is really screwing up the series with skipping books in between film releases like they have been.

Darkthoughts
01-13-2008, 11:40 AM
The books are great, especially if you like that upper class old school British tome of narrative :D
Seriously, they are good fun and well written.

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 11:41 AM
Never have Read any C.S. Lewis. What am I missing out on? I take it I should definately read the books if I really wnat the full story, right? I mean, because it looks to me like Disney is really screwing up the series with skipping books in between film releases like they have been.

Actually I thought Disney's version was fantastic, best rendition of the book yet. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "skipping books"? They're going with the original order the series came out.
You really should read the series, its one of my favorites under The Dark Tower series. Its kind of like Harry Potter in that its oriented towards children but everyone can enjoy it.

Darkthoughts
01-13-2008, 11:42 AM
Didn't they start with The Lion, The Witch...? It should be Magician's Nephew first CK.

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 11:47 AM
The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe was released first.

The order of release was - 1. The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe; 2. Prince Caspian; 3. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader; 4. The Silver Chair; 5. The Horse and His Boy; 6. The Magician's Nephew; 7. The Last Battle

jayson
01-13-2008, 11:48 AM
I have the series-in-one-big-book format and it will definetly be one I encourage my daughter to read when she is ready. and yes, "magician's nephew" is first.

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 11:49 AM
Read my post. It was NOT first. Its first in the order of the story but not in release.

jayson
01-13-2008, 11:52 AM
agreed on your point matt, there are two orders, release and series. so, let me ask you this, with the series complete, would you encourage a newcomer to read them in the "release order" or the "series order"? i know what i would choose, but that's also because my reads have all been in series order.

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 11:52 AM
Reading The Magicians Nephew first is like reading Wizard and Glass first. You're supposed to be surprised by how things worked out and where most of the things come from after reading most of the series.

Darkthoughts
01-13-2008, 11:53 AM
I thought you were talking about the books. Why did they change the order?

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 11:54 AM
I AM talking about the books! :lol: Jeeeze. The publisher changed the order of the series and numbered them differently at some time. The Disney versions are following the original release of the books.

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 11:57 AM
Again the books were published in this order -

1. The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe; 2. Prince Caspian; 3. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader; 4. The Silver Chair; 5. The Horse and His Boy; 6. The Magician's Nephew; 7. The Last Battle

Disney is following this order. Which I think works better than the modern publisher created order. The publisher says that Lewis wanted them read in their order. Which maybe true, but I still they work better read in their original release order.

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 12:00 PM
Wikipedia has a good section on this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Reading_order

Darkthoughts
01-13-2008, 12:00 PM
Lewis himself though, preferred this order:

The Magician's Nephew
The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe
The Horse and His Boy
Prince Caspian
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
The Silver Chair
The Last Battle

he wrote this to a fan who was arguing over the publishing order vs the chronological order (above):

I think I agree with your order for reading the books more than with your mother’s. The series was not planned beforehand as she thinks. When I wrote The Lion I did not know I was going to write any more. Then I wrote P. Caspian as a sequel and still didn't think there would be any more, and when I had done The Voyage I felt quite sure it would be the last. But I found as I was wrong. So perhaps it does not matter very much in which order anyone read them. I’m not even sure that all the others were written in the same order in which they were published

Darkthoughts
01-13-2008, 12:02 PM
I read them in the chronological order, but that was back in the early 80's before the publishers changed it. So I wonder why my books were numbered that way?

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 12:02 PM
Right and look below that and there is some disagreement over that... ;)

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 12:04 PM
I read them in the chronological order, but that was back in the early 80's before the publishers changed it. So I wonder why my books were numbered that way?

Hmmmm...this sounds like the Claudia y Inez Bachman thing... :lol:

Jean
01-13-2008, 12:06 PM
The books are great, especially if you like that upper class old school British tome of narrative :D

I do, I do! I'll read them as soon as I can lay my paws on them http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gif

jayson
01-13-2008, 12:07 PM
Maybe the level of the Tower you live on determines the order in which you are to read the Narnia stuff.

Darkthoughts
01-13-2008, 12:09 PM
I can't remember the publisher - the covers were awesome though.
Seriously thats weird - until this conversation right now I had no idea they were published in two orders...:ninja:

Dud-a-chum?
01-13-2008, 12:12 PM
Didn't they start with The Lion, The Witch...? It should be Magician's Nephew first CK.


This is exactly the reason why I said they skipped books. I don't care which one was released first; if the order that exists now tells the story in the proper order, that's the way I want to see it presented.

Dud-a-chum?
01-13-2008, 12:14 PM
I can't remember the publisher - the covers were awesome though.
Seriously thats weird - until this conversation right now I had no idea they were published in two orders...:ninja:

Neither did I, though since I'm not too familiar with them, I am not too surprised by this.

Wuducynn
01-13-2008, 12:46 PM
This is exactly the reason why I said they skipped books. I don't care which one was released first; if the order that exists now tells the story in the proper order, that's the way I want to see it presented.

Well the "proper order" is what is up for debate. You'll have to read them both ways and see for yourself which you prefer.

Darkthoughts
01-13-2008, 12:48 PM
This is the version I had originally:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/towerjunkie19/MN-FontanaLions.jpg
It was published in 1980 by Fontana Lion, then came The Lion etc - the wikipedia article seems to be talking about the change of order with US publishers that happened later than it obviously did over here. Mystery solved :D

Lord_Vertigo
01-13-2008, 01:38 PM
"Lisey's Story" - I forget the author's name ... (sarcasm)

Harry Potter and Sorcerer's Stone

I'm not reading these currently, but can't resist recommending them.

"The Eyes of God," "The Devil's Armor," and "Sword of Angels" by John Marco
"The Paradise War," "The Silver Hand," and "The Endless Knot" by Stephen Lawhead.

Heather19
01-13-2008, 02:41 PM
Finally finished Survivor. Great story. Now I'm onto 20th Century Ghosts. Hopefully I'll be able to read quite a few of the stories in there before Duma Key comes out.

ManOfWesternesse
01-13-2008, 03:39 PM
Just finished a re-read of 'Magician' - Raymond E.Feist.
Now starting 'Silverthorn' - 2nd in that series.

Daghain
01-13-2008, 06:39 PM
Finished Lost Boy Lost Girl and am about halfway through John Irving's A Widow for One Year.

OchrisO
01-13-2008, 08:21 PM
I'm reading The Tao of Pooh by Benjamin Hoff and Confessor by Terry Goodkind. Too bad college starts back tomorrow and I won't have much reading time outside of class stuff.

Darkthoughts
01-14-2008, 03:19 AM
Daggers - are you enjoying A Widow For One Year? I'm a massive Irving fan, have you read much of his other stuff?

IWasSentWest
01-14-2008, 04:28 PM
i am currently reading "the chronicles of the black company" a trilogy by Glenn Cook. i have to say the books are pretty awesome, considering the fact that they take the magic and middle earth type approach. the guy made it seems so real, following a battallion of rogues, men for hire on a journey which is pretty much fuckin awesome. a little cheesy, the guy doesnt use many curse words, which takes away from it being real. but the story is like vietnam fiction in its intensity....very good read

Daghain
01-14-2008, 05:04 PM
Daggers - are you enjoying A Widow For One Year? I'm a massive Irving fan, have you read much of his other stuff?

This is my first. I really like it so far. I think I'm going to pick up a few more when I hit the used bookstore again. :D

IWasSentWest
01-14-2008, 05:09 PM
the world according to garp was wierd..but damn it was funny!

Darkthoughts
01-15-2008, 03:08 AM
A Prayer For Owen Meany is one of his most mind blowing books. Garp is cool, as Westy said - all his books are weird though really :D He doesn't shy away from anything, thats why I like him.

Next I'd go for The Cider House Rules because its really compelling both plot and character wise. Until I Find You was his most recent book - and that is also excellent!! I've got everything he's written, the only one I can't get to grips with is Setting Free The Bears, which was his first book and is written in a really odd way.

Other than that I recommend them all :D

sarah
01-15-2008, 08:16 AM
I'm currently reading The Wolves of the Calla (19)

Matt
01-15-2008, 12:02 PM
Still on people of the moon at home.

Listening to Hannible Rising in the car. Its pretty good.

HanzouNorak
01-15-2008, 04:01 PM
im currently reading Rose Madder and after that, im not going to stop reading Stephen King until i finish every book he has written. people always would tell me Stephen King is scary, i never saw whan was so scary about it, alot of the horror parts are just suspense.

Matt
01-15-2008, 04:05 PM
I totally agree, I have never found him overly scary.

Wuducynn
01-15-2008, 08:47 PM
Really? I thought parts of Bag of Bones, The Dark Half, It, Pet Semetary, Needful Things, etc all to be out of this world scary.

Darkthoughts
01-16-2008, 01:45 AM
I stopped reading him in my late teens after finding him too scary (I think living on my own and reading Carrie one night was what finally did it :lol: ) but I was persuaded back to his books when a friend lent me The Talisman in my mid twenties. I think I just enjoy the scare more these days.

ManOfWesternesse
01-16-2008, 02:36 AM
Depends on the definition of 'Scary' I guess.
But there was many a night when I'd be going upstairs, after everyone in the house was long asleep, with the hair standing on the back of my neck after a read of Pet Sematary or It etc...

Darkthoughts
01-16-2008, 02:45 AM
It really did it for me first time round too!

Wuducynn
01-16-2008, 06:42 AM
Pet Semetary is still one of the scariest books I've read. Along with It.

Jean
01-16-2008, 06:53 AM
please don't forget that we have a thread (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?p=92338) dedicated to what is or isn't scary. It is in Thunderclap, but books and movies being scary or not, and the reasons thereof, is discussed there, too.

CRinVA
01-16-2008, 08:02 AM
I am reading another series of Kid's books - well actually listening to the audio CDs. Currently on Peter and teh Secret of Rundoon. This is the thirs and final installment in this Peter Pan Prequel! First was Peter and the Starcatchers, followed by Peter and teh Shadow Thieves and now Rundoon. They are light reading and loads of fun. Ever wonder about the story as to how Peter Pan came to be the leader of the Lost Boys of Neverland! Dave Barry and Ridley Pearson (of RBR Fame) do a great job telling this tale and haveing ablast along the way!

And by thw way, I loved the Narnia series!

TerribleT
01-16-2008, 01:02 PM
Pet Semetary is still one of the scariest books I've read.

Did you think the movie was scary too? It's one of the few books I've ever read that sent chills up and down my spine.

Matt
01-16-2008, 02:08 PM
I would call it tragic as opposed to seriously scary but it did disturb me.

Possibly it has to do with things IRL that have scared the shit out of me and so the written word (or movie screen) isn't able to do it anymore.

And we should heed Jean and move this to the appropriate thread.

Wuducynn
01-16-2008, 02:20 PM
Did you think the movie was scary too? It's one of the few books I've ever read that sent chills up and down my spine.

Back when Pet Semetary the movie came out I had many chances to see it but so many folk told me it was awful I chose to wait to see it on video tape when it came out..I never got a chance to watch it until two months ago..I HATED it. What a terrible, TERRIBLE King adaptation.
I wish someone (like Darabont for instance) would re-make it to really do the book justice.

Matt
01-16-2008, 02:24 PM
To get back on topic....

I just started listening to "To Kill a Mockingbird". Its been a while but it was there and read by Sissy Spasak (sp?) so I'm going for it.

Darkthoughts
01-17-2008, 01:53 AM
Cool, I bet she does that justice - I love To Kill A Mockingbird. I know alot of people who read it at school for English, and sometimes that can really destroy a story, having to read and dissect it in a classroom environment - so I was glad I had the chance to read it by myself.

al'Lan Mandragoran
01-17-2008, 11:21 AM
Knife of Dreams book 11 of the Wheel of Time

IWasSentWest
01-17-2008, 12:34 PM
i thought he died....this guy can stretch out a series even in death! that is truly amazing

Erin
01-17-2008, 10:23 PM
I'm reading The Subtle Knife, the second book in the His Dark Materials series.

ManOfWesternesse
01-18-2008, 02:11 AM
Knife of Dreams book 11 of the Wheel of Time


i thought he died....this guy can stretch out a series even in death! that is truly amazing

Book 11 was long published before Robert Jordan (RIP) died SentWest.
He was working on Book 12 at the time though. (Which he had predicted to be the last in the series).
Another author, Brandon Sanderson (?), has been lined up to complete Book 12 'A Memory of Light '.

jayson
01-18-2008, 07:49 AM
Cool, I bet she does that justice - I love To Kill A Mockingbird. I know alot of people who read it at school for English, and sometimes that can really destroy a story, having to read and dissect it in a classroom environment - so I was glad I had the chance to read it by myself.

Despite having read it for no less than four classes [ranging from junior high school to college], it still stands up for me as a great book.

Wuducynn
01-18-2008, 08:05 AM
Has anyone read the novelization of Serenity? I'm going to be reading that next.

Daghain
01-18-2008, 09:12 AM
Cool, I bet she does that justice - I love To Kill A Mockingbird. I know alot of people who read it at school for English, and sometimes that can really destroy a story, having to read and dissect it in a classroom environment - so I was glad I had the chance to read it by myself.

Despite having read it for no less than four classes [ranging from junior high school to college], it still stands up for me as a great book.

:thumbsup:

I totally agree.

Wuducynn
01-18-2008, 09:16 AM
Oh and heres a fellow Browncoat and she can't even give me an answer.

Daghain
01-18-2008, 09:25 AM
I didn't know they even wrote a book. :lol:

Wuducynn
01-18-2008, 09:29 AM
Yeah, its co-written by someone I've never heard of and Joss Whedon. I was reading the reviews on Amazon..looks pretty damn good.

Wuducynn
01-18-2008, 09:31 AM
Frankly, I'm surprised there aren't a shit-load of Firefly novels out there. There is a BIG, BIG market for it.

Daghain
01-18-2008, 09:51 AM
I don't know if I would read them or not. You'll have to let me know what you think.

Wuducynn
01-18-2008, 09:53 AM
You'll have to let me know what you think.

Miss out having you gnash your teeth and pull out every strand of hair from your head? No way!

Matt
01-18-2008, 10:00 AM
Cool, I bet she does that justice - I love To Kill A Mockingbird. I know alot of people who read it at school for English, and sometimes that can really destroy a story, having to read and dissect it in a classroom environment - so I was glad I had the chance to read it by myself.

Despite having read it for no less than four classes [ranging from junior high school to college], it still stands up for me as a great book.

:thumbsup:

I totally agree.

I'm seriously enjoying the shit out of it.

TerribleT
01-18-2008, 10:02 AM
Tomorrow I WILL slug my way through the rest of The Wastelands, so I can move on to W&G.

Jean
01-18-2008, 10:16 AM
Cool, I bet she does that justice - I love To Kill A Mockingbird. I know alot of people who read it at school for English, and sometimes that can really destroy a story, having to read and dissect it in a classroom environment - so I was glad I had the chance to read it by myself.

Despite having read it for no less than four classes [ranging from junior high school to college], it still stands up for me as a great book.

:thumbsup:

I totally agree.

I'm seriously enjoying the shit out of it.
It's one of the books I can't even form my opinion on, because I knew it close to the text - not before I started reading, because I can't remember not knowing how to read - but sure before I started reading such complex books. My grandmother retold it to me when I was... again, I can't say how old, I don't remember the first time; I know it was one of my favorite stories I asked her to repeat, and I understand now that she was altering her version, adapting it to my age... then (before school, that's what I remember) I at last read it myself, and again, I don't remember the first time, every time (certainly more than ten) I remember is a re-read. Then, about 20 years later, I finally read it in English, and by then book was part of me, which it remains.

Daghain
01-18-2008, 10:17 AM
You'll have to let me know what you think.

Miss out having you gnash your teeth and pull out every strand of hair from your head? No way!

Nah. I just can't get that excited about it.

jayson
01-18-2008, 10:30 AM
That's a great story Jean. It always interests me to hear how particular books cross cultures [oh, and cross species as well since you are the first literary bear i have met]

Jean
01-18-2008, 10:47 AM
most bears are big readers, in fact... at least, most Russian bears. You see, we didn't have life to speak of during Soviet times... but all culture of the whole wide world was ours! Unable to travel, or to enterprise anything whether in business or politics, or to really express ourselves by means of civil society, we were confined to reading... and reading was our forte!

(the above refers to all Soviet people, not only the ursine)

jayson
01-18-2008, 10:49 AM
it does seem one of the most valuable ways to spend time.

Jean
01-18-2008, 10:51 AM
why, of course. Inspite of my troubled young days (hippie-like young cultural rebels, travelling around the country and doing all kinds of shit... I'll post memoirs one day, it was rather peculiar experience) I finally never learned to do anything but sit on my ass, read, and think of entertaining abstractions. Not that it ever bore any fruit, either.

jayson
01-18-2008, 10:58 AM
yes, post that one day so i can post in this thread that i am currently reading "Jean: Memoirs of a Bear"

Jean
01-18-2008, 11:01 AM
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear4bis.gifhttp://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear4bis.gifhttp://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/bear4bis.gif

alinda
01-18-2008, 11:07 AM
Hear Hear!!





yes, post that one day so i can post in this thread that i am currently reading "Jean: Memoirs of a Bear"

OchrisO
01-18-2008, 11:53 AM
I'm reading The Picture of Dorian Gray for my Oscar Wilde class and still working on Confessor by Terry Goodkind(which is amazing) when I can find time.

Inject random English poetry in there for my British Lit. II class.

Erin
01-18-2008, 11:56 AM
I love The Picture of Dorian Gray! :thumbsup:

OchrisO
01-18-2008, 11:57 AM
Oscar Wilde is very entertaining. I think that it will be a very fun class.

IWasSentWest
01-18-2008, 12:05 PM
I'm reading The Subtle Knife, the second book in the His Dark Materials series.


ooooooo good books...the movie SUCKED though (golden compass)

Fall of Gilead
01-19-2008, 01:06 PM
yes, post that one day so i can post in this thread that i am currently reading "Jean: Memoirs of a Bear"

Chapter 1: Call me Jean.
:nana:

TerribleT
01-19-2008, 10:50 PM
FINALLY finished re-reading The Wastelands. THANK GOD!!!! Time for W&G, YAY!!!!!!!!!!

Wuducynn
01-19-2008, 11:12 PM
:rolleyes:

Jon
01-19-2008, 11:53 PM
Penthouse forums

OchrisO
01-20-2008, 09:52 PM
I finished reading Confessor and have now moved on to the Star Wars EU novel Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice.

Odetta
01-21-2008, 07:20 AM
OK, just finished THe Pianist by Szpilman... it is a first hand account of living in the ghetto in Warsaw during WW2.

starting the Children of Men by P.D. James

TerribleT
01-21-2008, 08:54 AM
OK, just finished THe Pianist by Szpilman... it is a first hand account of living in the ghetto in Warsaw during WW2.

Did you see the movie?

Daghain
01-21-2008, 09:24 AM
The movie was awesome!

Haven't read the book, though. How was it, O?

Patrick
01-21-2008, 11:48 PM
Finished NEVERWHERE by Neil Gaiman. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Now starting NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN by Cormac McCarthy. No, I haven't seen the movie yet.

PedroPáramo
01-22-2008, 04:56 PM
-The Trial, Franz Kafka.

LadyHitchhiker
01-22-2008, 10:23 PM
just read the stand today and I'm starting on gerald's game - which I've never read before and was from the lovely Linda ;)

Ruthful
01-23-2008, 01:31 PM
Just borrowed Duma Key from the BPL.

This'll be the first King novel I've read since the final, eponymous volume in TDT.

HanzouNorak
01-23-2008, 03:44 PM
sratch that, im now reading Hearts in Atlantis

IWasSentWest
01-23-2008, 03:47 PM
shadowfall-james clemens

its straight

Míchéal
01-24-2008, 07:46 AM
a book

ManOfWesternesse
01-24-2008, 07:59 AM
Finished a re-read of 'Magician' and 'Silverthorn' (Books 1 & 2 of the Riftwar) by Raymond E.Feist.
& just started book3 'A Darkness at Sethannon'.

sarah
01-24-2008, 08:25 AM
sratch that, im now reading Hearts in Atlantis


I loved HiA. Is this your first time through?


Today I'm start my reread of Song of Susannah.

mr.nineteen
01-24-2008, 02:31 PM
HiA is awesome.

I'm reading House of Leaves by Mark Danielewski

Míchéal
01-24-2008, 02:35 PM
im rading the ingrediants of my beer...

Heather19
01-24-2008, 02:35 PM
Currently reading Duma Key. Only a couple of chapters in, but I'm quite enjoying so far.

Míchéal
01-24-2008, 02:35 PM
reading i mean...

Lance
01-24-2008, 08:25 PM
I'm currently reading Rush Limbaugh's The Way Things Ought To Be. I first read it as an impressionable 17 year old and thought that it made a lot of sense. Now, in my thirties, the same thought keeps coming up in my head as I read it: "What a crock of shit!" :lol:

alinda
01-25-2008, 05:29 AM
Duma Key

alinda
01-25-2008, 05:31 AM
Glad to be of service...:fairy:





just read the stand today and I'm starting on gerald's game - which I've never read before and was from the lovely Linda ;)

Odetta
01-25-2008, 07:24 AM
OK, just finished THe Pianist by Szpilman... it is a first hand account of living in the ghetto in Warsaw during WW2.

Did you see the movie?


The movie was awesome!

Haven't read the book, though. How was it, O?

I did see the movie! I really liked it.
The book is excellent... it's very short, and horrifying. The movie is pretty accurate to the book, the book is more detailed and you really get an insight into the Jewish mindset during the occupation. Some accounts in the book made me sick...
be warned...

he makes reference to the German's favorite way of killing children... picking them up by their feet and smashing their heads into brick walls

anyway, if you enjoyed the movie I highly recommend the book.

Daghain
01-25-2008, 08:02 AM
Cool! I may have to pick that up. :)

Frunobulax
01-25-2008, 10:24 AM
Just over halfway done with A Confederacy of Dunces, which is my nighttime reading, and just started The Gay Science by Nietzsche.

TerribleT
01-25-2008, 10:53 AM
I did see the movie! I really liked it.
The book is excellent... it's very short, and horrifying. The movie is pretty accurate to the book, the book is more detailed and you really get an insight into the Jewish mindset during the occupation. Some accounts in the book made me sick...
be warned...

he makes reference to the German's favorite way of killing children... picking them up by their feet and smashing their heads into brick walls

anyway, if you enjoyed the movie I highly recommend the book.

Quite a few years ago I slugged my way through the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Prior to that, I always had a really hard time imagining why 6 million people would allow themselves to be marched into gas chambers and killed like that. I really needed to understand. It was easy to understand after reading the book though. Most of what the Jews had was taken away a little at a time, and they were villified a little at a time. By the time they really could change anything, it was too late, as a group they were way too weak to do anything about it. The brutality of the Nazis never ceases to amaze me.

Odetta
01-25-2008, 06:04 PM
yes... that's one thing about the book... it really gives a proper perspective to the events rather than what we think WE would have done differently.
There's a lot about the inconsistencies of the German army as well, which made the Jews in the ghetto never really sure what, if anything, was going to happen next.

MonteGss
01-25-2008, 06:21 PM
Dreamcatcher by Stephen King (my first time)

Wuducynn
01-25-2008, 07:07 PM
Most of what the Jews had was taken away a little at a time, and they were villified a little at a time. By the time they really could change anything, it was too late.

Its the "boiling a frog" syndrome.

sarah
01-25-2008, 07:54 PM
I'm reading Song of Susannah and I'm finding myself impatient and skimming. I just need to take a deep breath and calm down and enjoy what I'm reading at the moment.

LadyHitchhiker
01-25-2008, 08:48 PM
On Gerald's Game:

Am half way through Gerald's Game and the bitchch is still handcuffed to the bed!

Lance
01-25-2008, 09:15 PM
On Gerald's Game:

Am half way through Gerald's Game and the bitchch is still handcuffed to the bed!

I first read that one when I was a kid. As an adult it's much scarier. :lol:

LadyHitchhiker
01-25-2008, 09:27 PM
On Gerald's Game:

Am half way through Gerald's Game and the bitchch is still handcuffed to the bed!

I first read that one when I was a kid. As an adult it's much scarier. :lol:

So does it get better because now she's talking to her imaginary therapist that lives inside her head...

Lance
01-25-2008, 09:38 PM
On Gerald's Game:

Am half way through Gerald's Game and the bitchch is still handcuffed to the bed!

I first read that one when I was a kid. As an adult it's much scarier. :lol:

So does it get better because now she's talking to her imaginary therapist that lives inside her head...

Well the whole book is more of a "psychological thriller" than most of King's books. Trust me after you're done, everytime you wake up in the middle of the night and see a strange shadow or shape it'll scare the ever living shit out of you.

LadyHitchhiker
01-25-2008, 09:54 PM
Ooooooooooooooohh.... Sounds intriguing... :D Thank ye big big!

Brice
01-26-2008, 11:39 AM
I'm now reading Lovedeath by Dan Simmons.

Heather19
01-26-2008, 12:00 PM
Trust me after you're done, everytime you wake up in the middle of the night and see a strange shadow or shape it'll scare the ever living shit out of you.

Yes, that part of the book freaked me out!

Daghain
01-27-2008, 11:28 PM
I did see the movie! I really liked it.
The book is excellent... it's very short, and horrifying. The movie is pretty accurate to the book, the book is more detailed and you really get an insight into the Jewish mindset during the occupation. Some accounts in the book made me sick...
be warned...

he makes reference to the German's favorite way of killing children... picking them up by their feet and smashing their heads into brick walls

anyway, if you enjoyed the movie I highly recommend the book.

Quite a few years ago I slugged my way through the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Prior to that, I always had a really hard time imagining why 6 million people would allow themselves to be marched into gas chambers and killed like that. I really needed to understand. It was easy to understand after reading the book though. Most of what the Jews had was taken away a little at a time, and they were villified a little at a time. By the time they really could change anything, it was too late, as a group they were way too weak to do anything about it. The brutality of the Nazis never ceases to amaze me.

I'm a pretty big "social history" buff on Nazi Germany - it is truly a fascinating subject.

I had a prof at CSU who was a small boy in Germany during WWII. He has the best fucking stories, let me tell you. That guy was a wealth of information. He gave me a really extensive reading list for outside of class. I am still slowly chipping away at it.

TerribleT, I can loan you a few good ones, or copy the list for you. It's really quite good. :)

TerribleT
01-28-2008, 09:18 AM
TerribleT, I can loan you a few good ones, or copy the list for you. It's really quite good. :)

I might take you up on that in the near future, right now I'm in the middle of rereading DT. I'm not capable of reading more than one book at a time. :lol:

Storyslinger
01-28-2008, 10:12 AM
Rereading, and examining, SoS.

jayson
01-28-2008, 10:28 AM
started Duma Key on saturday

fernandito
01-28-2008, 10:58 PM
Finished A Game of Thrones a few days ago and am now wrapping up Catch-22.


Can anyone vouch for Closing Time, Catch-22's sequel?

LadyHitchhiker
01-28-2008, 11:48 PM
Rereading, and examining, SoS.

I love the way you worded that... Examining...

Daghain
01-29-2008, 10:24 PM
Just finished A Widow for One Year by John Irving and am now starting Blaze.

Odetta
01-30-2008, 07:43 AM
I did see the movie! I really liked it.
The book is excellent... it's very short, and horrifying. The movie is pretty accurate to the book, the book is more detailed and you really get an insight into the Jewish mindset during the occupation. Some accounts in the book made me sick...
be warned...

he makes reference to the German's favorite way of killing children... picking them up by their feet and smashing their heads into brick walls

anyway, if you enjoyed the movie I highly recommend the book.

Quite a few years ago I slugged my way through the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Prior to that, I always had a really hard time imagining why 6 million people would allow themselves to be marched into gas chambers and killed like that. I really needed to understand. It was easy to understand after reading the book though. Most of what the Jews had was taken away a little at a time, and they were villified a little at a time. By the time they really could change anything, it was too late, as a group they were way too weak to do anything about it. The brutality of the Nazis never ceases to amaze me.

I'm a pretty big "social history" buff on Nazi Germany - it is truly a fascinating subject.

I had a prof at CSU who was a small boy in Germany during WWII. He has the best fucking stories, let me tell you. That guy was a wealth of information. He gave me a really extensive reading list for outside of class. I am still slowly chipping away at it.

TerribleT, I can loan you a few good ones, or copy the list for you. It's really quite good. :)

What's on the list? I'd like some ideas, please!

Daghain
01-30-2008, 08:03 AM
I'll try to remember to pull it out when I get home and give you a few, but off the top of my head the best one on there was Frauen: German Women Recall the Third Reich, by Alison Owings.

kithereal
01-30-2008, 09:12 AM
started Duma Key on saturday

Ohhh...I just started Duma Key also.....I wasn't sure if I was going to like it but I am loving it..I really like the main character Edgar very much...he may be a favorite..
I am at work right now and I can't wait to get home and read more....King's books are always the biggest treats , like an adventure.
I can never see anything coming ( that is so refreshing )
KIT

al'Lan Mandragoran
01-30-2008, 11:20 AM
Insomnia

CRinVA
01-30-2008, 01:20 PM
20th Century Ghosts

blackrose22
01-30-2008, 02:32 PM
Just finished The Templar Legacy by Steve Berry.

BedOfRoses
01-30-2008, 07:50 PM
Black House by Stephen King and Peter Straub

Wuducynn
01-30-2008, 09:03 PM
Black House by Stephen King and Peter Straub

:thumbsup:

NeedfulKings
01-31-2008, 09:20 AM
Dreamcatcher by Stephen King (my first time)

Cool! I just read it for the first time as well! Let us know what you thought! :)

I'm reading Funland by Richard Laymon

jayson
01-31-2008, 02:50 PM
Black House by Stephen King and Peter Straub

:thumbsup:

i love the two Jack Sawyer books!!!

BedOfRoses
01-31-2008, 04:03 PM
Black House by Stephen King and Peter Straub

:thumbsup:

i love the two Jack Sawyer books!!!

Thanks, guys. :wub: This book has been on my list for a while...I read Talisman last year and loved it. I hear this one is even better so I can't wait to see where it leads. :)

MonteGss
01-31-2008, 04:13 PM
It is so good. :)

Luthien
01-31-2008, 04:24 PM
Hi all - currently reading Thieve's World - Anthology.

Matt
01-31-2008, 04:34 PM
Hey Luthien, welcome to the site.

CPU
01-31-2008, 04:44 PM
Duma Key, and I think it's great!

Matt
01-31-2008, 04:47 PM
I'm listening to my copy as well, can't wait to get on the road and return

Jean
01-31-2008, 11:54 PM
Black House by Stephen King and Peter Straub
I was rereading it (it's one of my very favorite), and then I stopped, and picked other books and read about a dozen... Only yesterday I fully realized why I was reluctant to go on
it's because Henry Leyden is going to be killed, and I can't face it another time
I am making myself make it through that part now

Wuducynn
02-01-2008, 10:19 AM
Thanks, guys. :wub: This book has been on my list for a while...I read Talisman last year and loved it. I hear this one is even better so I can't wait to see where it leads. :)

The style is noticably different, especially in the first half of the book, and it takes some getting used to but you won't be disappointed. (hopefully)

jayson
02-01-2008, 10:44 AM
Thanks, guys. :wub: This book has been on my list for a while...I read Talisman last year and loved it. I hear this one is even better so I can't wait to see where it leads. :)

The style is noticably different, especially in the first half of the book, and it takes some getting used to but you won't be disappointed. (hopefully)

I agree, it takes a little while to get used to the style, but the story should be compelling enough to get you thru the first few chapters. after that, you should be hooked. i may have to read it again after Duma Key.

LadyHitchhiker
02-01-2008, 12:46 PM
Just finished The Green Mile.. and now for something completely different..

what that is, I don't know

alinda
02-01-2008, 02:18 PM
Liz, your really churning thru'em arent you?:rock:

BedOfRoses
02-01-2008, 08:45 PM
Thanks, guys. :wub: This book has been on my list for a while...I read Talisman last year and loved it. I hear this one is even better so I can't wait to see where it leads. :)

The style is noticably different, especially in the first half of the book, and it takes some getting used to but you won't be disappointed. (hopefully)

I agree, it takes a little while to get used to the style, but the story should be compelling enough to get you thru the first few chapters. after that, you should be hooked. i may have to read it again after Duma Key.

Yes, the style at the beginning was quite different but now it's getting into the story and I'm already into it. I'm trying to make the connection to The Talisman but don't see it...yet.

Jean, pick this one up again and we can share our thoughts on it. :)

Jean
02-01-2008, 10:55 PM
Jean, pick this one up again and we can share our thoughts on it. :)
can't wait, my love! there's a Talisman/Black House thread in Cara Laughs http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gifhttp://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gifhttp://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gif

BedOfRoses
02-02-2008, 01:21 AM
Jean, pick this one up again and we can share our thoughts on it. :)
can't wait, my love! there's a Talisman/Black House thread in Cara Laughs http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gifhttp://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gifhttp://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/mishemplushem/Facilitation/0134-bear.gif

Will go there when I'm done with BH... :wub:

Ruthful
02-02-2008, 01:57 AM
http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780385523783

Fall of Gilead
02-05-2008, 01:42 PM
Finished Comes the Blind Fury by Saul and started Job: A Comedy of Justice by Robert A. Heinlein.

Wuducynn
02-05-2008, 01:43 PM
I want to read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Heinlein. I've heard its his best.

Míchéal
02-05-2008, 01:53 PM
The Sun Dog - Sk

John Blaze
02-05-2008, 09:18 PM
rereading my magic circle books.

ATG
02-05-2008, 09:51 PM
This (http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/showthread.php?t=113)

IWasSentWest
02-06-2008, 12:29 PM
reading (in class) MYTHOLOGY by EDITH HAMILTON

fun, yes i know

jayson
02-06-2008, 02:37 PM
reading (in class) MYTHOLOGY by EDITH HAMILTON

fun, yes i know

it'd be fun for me, i love religious studies texts. it was my major and makes up a lot of my non-fiction bookcase

Míchéal
02-06-2008, 03:40 PM
apt pupil... there's something wrongi cant quite place...its not holding my attention...

IWasSentWest
02-06-2008, 06:23 PM
reading (in class) MYTHOLOGY by EDITH HAMILTON

fun, yes i know

it'd be fun for me, i love religious studies texts. it was my major and makes up a lot of my non-fiction bookcase

o dont get me wrong...i love mythology, thats why i took the mythology class. its just the book doesnt really elaborate on too much. just repeats what most educated ppl know

John Blaze
02-06-2008, 10:30 PM
reading (in class) MYTHOLOGY by EDITH HAMILTON

fun, yes i know


It is FUN!

I happen to own that book, and a couple of other mythology books. Of course, you can find another book on Greek Mythology which would elaborate a hell of a lot more, and it'd be a bit more enjoyable to read. The reason I like Hamilton though, some of the original form stories are a bit hard to read, and her breakdown is simple.

I am currently rereading my Jack London books. I love his books, but I have a question. Either he was a bit white supremacist, or there was no such thing as PC back then....

Jean
02-06-2008, 11:33 PM
both

neither prevented him from being a great writer, though

OchrisO
02-07-2008, 01:18 AM
reading (in class) MYTHOLOGY by EDITH HAMILTON

fun, yes i know


It is FUN!

I happen to own that book, and a couple of other mythology books. Of course, you can find another book on Greek Mythology which would elaborate a hell of a lot more, and it'd be a bit more enjoyable to read. The reason I like Hamilton though, some of the original form stories are a bit hard to read, and her breakdown is simple.

I am currently rereading my Jack London books. I love his books, but I have a question. Either he was a bit white supremacist, or there was no such thing as PC back then....



He was quite racist, from what I have read(see some quotes below). A lot of authors back then were, though. H.P. Lovecraft was a eugenicist. Maybe that doesn't make he a bad writer, as Jean has said, but he was also accused of plagiarism on a number of ocassions, with chapter 7 of The Iron Heel being almost identical to an essay by Frank Harris that was published 7 years prior to London's book. That's only one of the most clear cut accusations of plagiarism, he was accused of it on a number of ocassions. I think that makes his writing pretty questionable myself.



London shared common Californian concerns about Asian immigration and "the yellow peril" (which he used as the title of an essay he wrote in 1904). [3] However, many of Jack London's short stories are notable for their empathetic portrayal of Mexicans (The Mexican), Asian (The Chinago,) and Hawaiian (Koolau the Leper) characters. London's war correspondence from the Russo-Japanese War, as well as his unfinished novel "Cherry," show he greatly admired much about Japanese customs and capabilities.

In London's 1902 novel, Daughter of the Snows the character Frona Welse states the following lines (scholar Andrew Furer, in a long essay exploring the complexity of London's views, says there is no doubt that Frona Welse is here acting as a mouthpiece for London):

We are a race of doers and fighters, of globe-encirclers and zone-conquerors …. While we are persistent and resistant, we are made so that we fit ourselves to the most diverse conditions. Will the Indian, the Negro, or the Mongol ever conquer the Teuton? Surely not! The Indian has persistence without variability; if he does not modify he dies, if he does try to modify he dies anyway. The Negro has adaptability, but he is servile and must be led. As for the Chinese, they are permanent. All that the other races are not, the Anglo-Saxon, or Teuton if you please, is. All that the other races have not, the Teuton has.

In Jack London's 1904 essay, The Yellow Peril, he writes: "The Korean is the perfect type of inefficiency — of utter worthlessness. The Chinese is the perfect type of industry"; "The Chinese is no coward"; "[The Japanese] would not of himself constitute a Brown Peril …. The menace to the Western world lies, not in the little brown man; but in the four hundred millions of yellow men should the little brown man undertake their management." He insists:

Back of our own great race adventure, back of our robberies by sea and land, our lusts and violences and all the evil things we have done, there is a certain integrity, a sternness of conscience, a melancholy responsibility of life, a sympathy and comradeship and warm human feel, which is ours, indubitably ours …

Yet even within this essay Jack London's inconsistency on the issue makes itself clear. After insisting "our own great race adventure" has an ethical dimension, he closes by saying

it must be taken into consideration that the above postulate is itself a product of Western race-egotism, urged by our belief in our own righteousness and fostered by a faith in ourselves which may be as erroneous as are most fond race fancies.

In "Koolau the Leper," London has one of his characters remark:

Because we are sick [the whites] take away our liberty. We have obeyed the law. We have done no wrong. And yet they would put us in prison. Molokai is a prison. . . . It is the will of the white men who rule the land. . . . They came like lambs, speaking softly. . . . To-day all the islands are theirs.
London describes Koolau, who is a Hawaiian leper—and thus a very different sort of "superman" than Martin Eden—and who fights off an entire cavalry troop to elude capture, as "indomitable spiritually—a . . . magnificent rebel".

An amateur boxer and avid boxing fan, London was a sort of celebrity reporter on the 1910 Johnson-Jeffries fight, in which the black boxer Jack Johnson vanquished Jim Jeffries, the "Great White Hope". Earlier, he had written:

[Former white champion] Jim Jeffries must now emerge from his Alfalfa farm and remove that golden smile from Jack Johnson's face … Jeff, it's up to you. The White Man must be rescued.

Earlier in his boxing journalism, however, in 1908, according to Furer, London praised Johnson highly, contrasting the black boxer's coolness and intellectual style, with the apelike appearance and fighting style of his white opponent, Tommy Burns: "what . . . [won] on Saturday was bigness, coolness, quickness, cleverness, and vast physical superiority... Because a white man wishes a white man to win, this should not prevent him from giving absolute credit to the best man, even when that best man was black. All hail to Johnson." Johnson was "superb. He was impregnable . . . as inaccessible as Mont Blanc."

A passage from Jerry of the Islands depicts a dog as perceiving white man's superiority:

He was that inferior man-creature, a nigger, and Jerry had been thoroughly trained all his brief days to the law that the white men were the superior two-legged gods. (pg 98).
Michael, Brother of Jerry features a comic Jewish character who is avaricious, stingy, and has a "greasy-seaming grossness of flesh".

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 07:30 AM
Tolkien, C.S. Lewis and Howard Phillips Lovecraft were all racists but I still love their work.

jayson
02-07-2008, 07:41 AM
lets not forget Roald Dahl. the man was a rabid anti-semite yet his books are awesome.

Daghain
02-07-2008, 08:07 AM
Just finished Blaze and am now starting a reread of Cujo.

Bev Vincent
02-07-2008, 08:21 AM
I started reading The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo by Swedish author Stieg Larsson last night.

Matt
02-07-2008, 08:28 AM
That sounds interesting...I'm fully involved in Duma Key. :rock:

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 09:00 AM
I'm fully involved in Duma Key.

Thumbs up, way up, way way up..your anus..

or down, way down, way way down so far, or you are still making up your mind on it?

NeedfulKings
02-07-2008, 06:42 PM
Just finished Funland by Richard Laymon.

I'm starting 1984 by Orwell (my first time reading it)

Erin
02-07-2008, 08:48 PM
You're in for a treat, Needful Kings! 1984 is an excellent book.

NeedfulKings
02-07-2008, 09:28 PM
You're in for a treat, Needful Kings! 1984 is an excellent book.

Thanks! :) I'll be sure to give you a full report. :thumbsup:

Wuducynn
02-07-2008, 09:30 PM
I think Matt totally missed my post above. Still looking for an answer.

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 11:01 PM
both

neither prevented him from being a great writer, though

Yes, I read his wiki article after my post. It's funny that Chris here posted it right after the fact.

C.S. Lewis, ey? a rascist? Never woulda thunk it.

John Blaze
02-07-2008, 11:05 PM
Reading Jurassic Park, The Partner, and From a Buick 8 right now, and this time I'm going to finish it.

Jean
02-08-2008, 01:00 AM
You're in for a treat, Needful Kings! 1984 is an excellent book.
::stays with his own private opinion::

jayson
02-08-2008, 04:59 AM
Just finished Funland by Richard Laymon.

I'm starting 1984 by Orwell (my first time reading it)

It may seem familiar to you from what has been going on in the world the past 8 years or so. One of my fav books ever.

Wuducynn
02-08-2008, 05:58 AM
C.S. Lewis, ey? a rascist? Never woulda thunk it.


It comes out particularly strong in The Last Battle.

Erin
02-08-2008, 11:48 PM
You're in for a treat, Needful Kings! 1984 is an excellent book.
::stays with his own private opinion::

Yea you'd better keep that opinion to yourself :P


I just finished The Amber Spyglass by Phillip Pullman. I do believe it's Duma Key time for me now :excited: .

Also tonight at the bookstore I bought Mr. Darcy Takes A Wife by Linda Berdoll. I noticed there is a lot of spin-off novels and "continued stories" regarding Pride and Prejudice out there in book-land. Has anyone read any of these? Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife sounded interesting and I can't get enough of Elizabeth Bennett, so I thought I'd give it a try.

John Blaze
02-09-2008, 01:31 AM
C.S. Lewis, ey? a rascist? Never woulda thunk it.


It comes out particularly strong in The Last Battle.

Really? I have the collection, and recently re-read it. I didn't think I'd read anything particularly rascist. Do you mean anti-arab? Because although the Calormenes are the villains of the piece, the young Calormene is told by Aslan that he has served him even though he thought he was serving Tash.

jhanic
02-09-2008, 09:42 AM
I finished my reread of Duma Key and have started rereading The Dark Tower series. I'm about halfway through Drawing of the Three. I'd forgotten just how these books hold your attention and "draw" you in!

John

ManOfWesternesse
02-09-2008, 01:36 PM
Just started on Duma Key.

Matt
02-09-2008, 02:05 PM
I'm fully involved in Duma Key.

Thumbs up, way up, way way up..your anus..

or down, way down, way way down so far, or you are still making up your mind on it?

I'm in the way up category right now :thumbsup:

At first, I was a little weary because it seemed like it might be very similar to a few other of his works. Now it has gone in a direction I did not expect.

Not only that, but it is amazing how King can write characters in a way that they become really real, I mean really real. I'm loving it

Wuducynn
02-09-2008, 04:23 PM
Awesome, I can't wait :cool:

Heather19
02-09-2008, 05:32 PM
Not only that, but it is amazing how King can write characters in a way that they become really real, I mean really real. I'm loving it

So true. That's what I enjoy most about his stories.

So when are you going to start it All Hail?

Daghain
02-10-2008, 10:33 AM
I generally avoid Austen spin-offs like the plague. I'm an Austen snob. :lol:




You're in for a treat, Needful Kings! 1984 is an excellent book.
::stays with his own private opinion::

Yea you'd better keep that opinion to yourself :P


I just finished The Amber Spyglass by Phillip Pullman. I do believe it's Duma Key time for me now :excited: .

Also tonight at the bookstore I bought Mr. Darcy Takes A Wife by Linda Berdoll. I noticed there is a lot of spin-off novels and "continued stories" regarding Pride and Prejudice out there in book-land. Has anyone read any of these? Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife sounded interesting and I can't get enough of Elizabeth Bennett, so I thought I'd give it a try.

Jean
02-10-2008, 10:34 AM
I generally avoid Austen spin-offs like the plague. I'm an Austen snob. :lol:
ditto

Daghain
02-10-2008, 10:35 AM
Well, that's worth some bear love right there. :wub:

BlakeMP
02-10-2008, 11:00 AM
Making my way through Duma Key right now. I don't know WHY it's so hard to find reading time these days...

mia/susannah
02-10-2008, 11:18 AM
I am currently reading Duma Key and The Dark Tower 7. I love both. I could not decide which one to read first so I am reading both. :excited:

jayson
02-10-2008, 11:22 AM
very interesting combination mia/susannah.

Wuducynn
02-10-2008, 02:59 PM
So when are you going to start it All Hail?

I'm thinking this coming weekend. I'm wicked psyched.

jayson
02-10-2008, 03:03 PM
one more stretch of reading and duma key will be in the "finished" list. hooray! very enjoyable.

Wuducynn
02-10-2008, 03:20 PM
Any scary parts?

jayson
02-10-2008, 03:26 PM
nothing i would call scary, but a lot that is creepy and/or fantastic. also a few very compelling characters. i may be a bit biased because for me the book has a lot of local reference points being set in my part of florida. there is even one scene set on the street where i used to live.

Wuducynn
02-10-2008, 04:52 PM
Sounds awesome. That makes me want to read it even more. :cool: I was hoping for some juicy Dark Tower connections, but I guess there isn't any.

John Blaze
02-10-2008, 06:42 PM
i don't think any of his recent books have any dt connections, do they?

RUBE
02-10-2008, 06:47 PM
Skeleton Crew and Alice in Wonderland

OchrisO
02-11-2008, 02:43 AM
I'm reading 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck along with a Graphic Novel version of Clive Barker's The Great and Secret Show and various Oscar Wilde essays for class.

2012 is a very interesting read.

John Blaze
02-11-2008, 02:49 AM
I'm reading 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck

2012 is a very interesting read.

Sounds very interesting, what is it about?

OchrisO
02-11-2008, 02:53 AM
I'm reading 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck

2012 is a very interesting read.

Sounds very interesting, what is it about?



Here's a bit of what wikipedia says about it:

This awareness led to his second book, 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, which examines prophecy through personal and philosophical approaches, and offers the hypothesis that humanity is experiencing an accelerated process of global consciousness transformation, leading to a new realization of time and space within the next six years. In 2012, he also explains the psi or extra-sensory perception research of Dean Radin, the theories of Graham Hancock, his own encounters with crop circles, a visit to calendar reform advocate José Argüelles, and his direct reception of prophetic material: the voice of the Mesoamerican deity Quetzalcoatl, began speaking to him during a 2004 trip to the Amazon in Brazil. At the time, he was participating in a ceremony of the Santo Daime, a Brazilian religion that uses the psychedelic brew ayahuasca as its sacrament. Through its references to 2012 and the Maya calendar in the context of New Age beliefs, Pinchbeck's book has contributed to Mayanism. The book also details his acts of infidelity and his interest in polyamory.

Wuducynn
02-11-2008, 06:13 AM
Graphic Novel version of Clive Barker's The Great and Secret Show.

I hope its better than the book, because I got about half way through before I couldn't take it anymore and have never picked up since.

stone, rose, unfound door
02-11-2008, 04:27 PM
I'm currently reading both the history of Europe since 1850 cause I'm taking a very difficult exam in March and I'm almost sure it's going to be the subject, and the State of the World 2008 (that's about sustainable development) I'm a dull girl, aren't I?

Daghain
02-11-2008, 05:59 PM
Nah, I'd read the European history book. :)

John Blaze
02-11-2008, 08:32 PM
Nah, I'd read the European history book. :)

me too, I'm in love with history, specially anything related to WWII

Daghain
02-11-2008, 08:59 PM
No way! I'm a Nazi Germany social history buff. I have an extensive reading list from a college class I took on Germany since WWII. I have barely made a dent in it. :lol:

fernandito
02-11-2008, 09:04 PM
Nah, I'd read the European history book. :)

me too, I'm in love with history, specially anything related to WWII

I'm obsessed with anything WWII related. Have you read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? It's about 2,500+ pages long. It took me a good while to finish it.


Anyway, I received my package in the mail today : The Hobbit! :D I only got to read a few pages but I can already tell I'm going to love it.

Daghain
02-11-2008, 09:07 PM
When I get off my lazy ass, I am so going to post a reading list thread. Of course, this means I must first find and then scan the reading list I just alluded to. :lol: