Mordred - and his complex personality

[Wuducynn]

yes i do, mordred may have appeared in the last book but his creation went through books 1,3,5 and 6 before he was born

His character ONLY takes place in the last book.

[Letti]

Roland and Mordred's palaver would have been absolutely cold, damn short and painful. It's better it never happened.

[Mordred Deschain]

I personally thought that Mordred was beyond palaver. His spider instincts were so strong that his mind was completely alien to Roland's and he only desired food. For one thing, he was too young.

Mordred was able to talk with anyone, so he could palaver with Roland.

you say true, except it doesn't matter if he could talk or not, he palavered with Flagg. And he may have eaten him, and he may have had hunger on his mind, but he saw in Walter/Flagg's mind that Flagg was going to kill him and cut off the foot with the mark so he could enter the tower.

[Wuducynn]

you say true, except it doesn't matter if he could talk or not, he palavered with Flagg. And he may have eaten him, and he may have had hunger on his mind, but he saw in Walter/Flagg's mind that Flagg was going to kill him and cut off the foot with the mark so he could enter the tower.

Yeah, I was just replying to Liz's post about Mordred being "beyond palaver". If he wanted he could do almost anything he'd like. He palavered with Rando Thoughtful a bit before making him his brunch.

[LadyHitchhiker]

Perhjaps I missed the whole intelligent conversation thing from Mordered.... But I am rereading the whole series again so I shall reserve my complete irrevocable judgement

[Wuducynn]

Palaver doesn't necessarily mean "intelligent" conversation. It just means "chat" or "conversation" or "talk".

[LadyHitchhiker]

So can Oy palaver then by that definition?

[Wuducynn]

In a very limited way with probably just Jake, yeah. I'd say so. But it just means chatting or having a talk.

[LadyHitchhiker]

Well for some reason I got the impression that Mordred - other than talking in others' heads - had less of a vocabulary than Oy.

[flaggwalkstheline]

mordred may have been capable of intelligent conversion but i dont think he was capable of civil conversation and the distinction between the two is vast

[LadyHitchhiker]

well that for certain we can agree on!

[Letti]

In a very limited way with probably just Jake, yeah. I'd say so. But it just means chatting or having a talk.

I absolutely agree. And I think he could talk with Roland as well. They could work together amazingly when they went to save Jake.

Well for some reason I got the impression that Mordred - other than talking in others' heads - had less of a vocabulary than Oy.

We mustn't forget that when Mordred ate something he got their feelings and knowledge as well. (I hope I remember well.) So after eating Flagg he was absolutely capable of speaking as much as he wanted.

[Jean]

Palaver doesn't necessarily mean "intelligent" conversation. It just means "chat" or "conversation" or "talk".

I think, however, that it involves all parts concerned listening to what other parts have say; not just watching for them to get distracted so they could be stung, paralyzed, and eaten.

[Brice]

Roland and Mordred's palaver would have been absolutely cold, damn short and painful. It's better it never happened.

...and do you think there'd have been much hugging involved?

Palaver doesn't necessarily mean "intelligent" conversation. It just means "chat" or "conversation" or "talk".

I think, however, that it involves all parts concerned listening to what other parts have say; not just watching for them to get distracted so they could be stung, paralyzed, and eaten.

This has always been my manner of conversation.

[flaggwalkstheline]

palaver is (to my knowledge) a civil discourse between anyone friends or enemies, since mordred could not be civil, he could not palaver roland palavered with the man in black who said (one of my favorite quotes) "friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty, only enemies speak the truth"

[Chap]

As my nick and sig might suggest, I'm a fan of Mordred
I can see some of myself in him (not the whole eating your mother part or transforming into a spider of course), and I believe there was some "good" in him, but his instincts and the lack of guidance became his undoing.
I don't like how he ate my favourite DT villain though

[Wuducynn]

(not the whole eating your mother part or transforming into a spider of course)

Awwwwwwwwwww. He couldn't help how delicious she was.

[Chap]

(not the whole eating your mother part or transforming into a spider of course)

Awwwwwwwwwww. He couldn't help how delicious she was.

I wouldn't mind eating Mia myself

and by eating I don't mean chewing and swallowing.

[Wuducynn]

I wouldn't mind eating Mia myself

and by eating I don't mean chewing and swallowing.

I am with you all the way!

[melliferal]

To me Mordred reeked of soap opera drama. You know, two characters do something they're not supposed to, a PREGNANCY occurs and all kinds of drama revolves around the PREGNANCY. Then the writers are stuck with a baby, an unfortunate side effect of pregnancy, and having to deal with a new character is now where near as fun or exciting.

You know, that's a good point. And what do babies in soap operas usually do once they're born? They hang around for a week, then disappear completely for a few months, at which point they return as 18-year-olds.

...which is what happened to Mordred, really. He was born, and there was a big scene at that moment; but afterward he served no real purpose except to follow the tet and grow into an adult really really quickly so that when the time came, he could launch a pathetic attack and die like a punk. You see Roland getting closer to the Tower, where the Crimson King is waiting for him, and Mordred is hot on his heels, and you expect some awesome showdown to take place there....but no. It was a whole lot of buildup and no follow-through. Like Jonas in some ways - a whole book is spent exposing and developing his character as some total physical and intellectual hardass; and then when the time comes he's just simply shot dead, disposed of as quickly and curtly as any minor throwaway character.

[The King of Kings]

Isn't Mordred a creature of the Prim? Not directly obviously, but via his relation with Crimson King and with the Crimson Queen being his "grand-mother". They only want chaos, and are totally disgusted at the idea of peace.

[Mordred Deschain]

Why do you keep talking about me as if I'm not in the room?

[Wuducynn]

Isn't Mordred a creature of the Prim? Not directly obviously, but via his relation with Crimson King and with the Crimson Queen being his "grand-mother". They only want chaos, and are totally disgusted at the idea of peace.

Yep. Also, one of the finer members of this message board community.

[Mordred Deschain]

LOL thanks...

[jayson]

Isn't Mordred a creature of the Prim? Not directly obviously, but via his relation with Crimson King and with the Crimson Queen being his "grand-mother". They only want chaos, and are totally disgusted at the idea of peace.

He is. He is also part human. I think that's the question at hand. Is Mordred's nature wholly evil, or does his fractional humanity mean that he is capable of some form of redemption?