Then, going from there, according to the dream at the end of The Gunslinger, there is an infinite number of other worlds turning on an infinite number of other spindles, and Roland's world is the pivot point of all of those other worlds.
Then, going from there, according to the dream at the end of The Gunslinger, there is an infinite number of other worlds turning on an infinite number of other spindles, and Roland's world is the pivot point of all of those other worlds.
It's stressful being an other. ~ Juliet
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So I've been giving this one a lot of thought today. I think there may be evidence that Roland's world is most assuredly not our world at another point on a timeline. The stars/constellations are different in Roland's world than ours. I don't propose that I know exactly how the cosmology of King's multiverse works, but I am pretty confident that with different stars, it is a different world. It may be very similar, and both revolve around the same axis, but to me, the geography of the sky suggests they cannot be the same world. Thoughts?
That point about the stars is a very good one.
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I also believe that Roland's world is not our own, largely for the reasons listed above. In fact, our worlds (ours and Roland's) probably exist in completely different universes - or perhaps dimensions - that revolve around the tower. Hence, different skies. However, I do think it's pretty clear they are the same in one respect: level of significance in saving the tower since our world is called a keystone world.
{aside}Every time King mentioned the Great Olde Ones, I could not help but think of Lovecraft's Great Olde Ones. Got some pretty funny mental pictures of shoggoths building computers. And we all know what a huge Lovecraft fan King is...{/aside}
It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
A whole lot more than riches and muscle.
The hands of the many must join as one.
And together we'll cross the river.
Puscifer, "The Humbling River"
Yeah, it is, but the possibility exists that over thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of years, that the stars could shift, doesn't it? Maybe a comet could knock the earth off it's path, blah blah blah. My sense is that Rolands world is a similar world to ours, but not ours. But an good argument could be made that it's our world in a different time line, 10,000 years in the past or future.
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Oh heck yeah. I have always considered the Rose as the actual Tower in Keystone.
I loved how Roland said it could protect itself for the most part. I would have loved to see it actually doing that...but I guess it actually was...it was still there after all.
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I think its important to differentiate between "worlds" and "planets" in the case of a multiverse a world is another word for dimension or plain or universe. While a planet is a big rock floating in space with an atmosphere. All-World is another world so it would make sense that it would have different constellations.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
A. Fuck you.
B. Fuck you very much
C. I understand, I just wanted it clear that there was a difference, since a lot of folk seem to confuse the usage of the terms. Which brings me back to points A. and B.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
I'm with you to an extent. Because King places real people and events within his narrative, it sort of leads you to make literal connections and references. (I think this is generally a bad idea as I have said repeatedly in the "King's appearance in SoS thread"). That being said, It doesn't really make sense literally, and has been noted, such an interpretation leads to many various and sundry inconsistencies within the books. I am of the persuasion that feels that King is making very definitive statements about the dangers of technology and where such advancements might lead, but it remains futile to construct some kind of time line. The great old ones have been an enigma to me in certain aspects for almost fifteen years.
I'm going to let Matt handle this one, since he's probably already typed out War and Peace on it as I'm typing this post.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
I don't know how to respond to that CK.
You just did.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Yeah, I guess I did, but with great fear and trepidation.
I agree. "There are other worlds than these" must also apply to the stars as well.
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There are other stars than these.
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Heres a question I have been wondering about for a very long time. All-World, Rolands world, is unique and stands at the pivot of all multi-verses with the Tower as the base.
My question is, how can the keystone earth, and the other earths that are visited, be so far behind time wise compared to All-World and yet time runs faster there then in All-World?
Because the beams are broken... Or at least I thought that was why.
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That 'might' be the reason why time was running faster in Keystone Earth, but how/why is it millenniums behind All World? That has nothing to do with the breakers destruction of the beams.
Beg your pardon but someone who remembers the story a lot more than me probably has a more analyical answer but this was the only answer I remember...
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Aurora, there's a vague reference in DT VII about how All-World and Keystone are "twinners." I think All World is just as significant and a lot of what King is doing with the DT series is exploring the dangers of technology (as I have mentioned elsewhere). The Old People sort of epitomize man's potentials, and consequently his downfalls as well. In a way, Roland's journey is saving Keystone World from the fate of his own.