I have been wondering this for a bit...is there not a version of the "Turtle Poem" that is recited somewhere in the novel "It"? If so does anyone remember it?
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I have been wondering this for a bit...is there not a version of the "Turtle Poem" that is recited somewhere in the novel "It"? If so does anyone remember it?
XIX
"See the TURTLE of enormous girth,
On his shell he holds the earth.
If you want to run and play,
Come along the BEAM today."
NFA JJG 42-95
I cannot remember it verbatim, but I do believe there is mention of Maturin as a 'turtle of enormous girth.' I might be wrong, though.
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The horizon is right and motionless like the EKG of a dying woman.
No poem in "It."
"I aim to misbehave."
-- Malcolm Reynolds
"I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-- Hoban Washburne
"What does that make us?"
"Big damn heroes, sir."
"Ain't we just."
-- Malcolm Reynolds and Zoe Washburne
Thanks, Steve. It's been a while since I read IT.
My favorite bands can kick your favorite bands' asses.
The horizon is right and motionless like the EKG of a dying woman.
Unless you count "The Turtle couldn't help us."
"I aim to misbehave."
-- Malcolm Reynolds
"I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-- Hoban Washburne
"What does that make us?"
"Big damn heroes, sir."
"Ain't we just."
-- Malcolm Reynolds and Zoe Washburne
Well, that's as close as it would get--and that ain't close.
My favorite bands can kick your favorite bands' asses.
The horizon is right and motionless like the EKG of a dying woman.
Hang on - there's a section in It like a narrative mythology which talks about the turtle at the dawn of time. Its referenced here in Wikipedia (Ill mark it as a spoiler as this information is not revealed in It until towards the end, also some DT7 stuff in it too):
Spoiler:
"You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think." - Duma Key
zoneseek@thedarktower.com
this has nothing to do with the turtle but this is the only It thread here so far
i had a thought about pennywise when reading the second dt comic, it's a little out of nowhere and i'm probably way off but i still like the idea.
i'm curious about whether pennywise and dandelo were the half siblings of the crimson king. i remember reading somewhere that sk says they aren't the same creature, but they're so similar that i feel like they must be related somehow. the spider aspect of both of them makes me think of the crimson queen, the crimson king, and mordred. feeding off of their victim's emotions could be a trait passed down from their father.
Im not sure if theres any information that indicates they are familial, but the spider shape definitely links them closely. It could just be a species thing?
"You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think." - Duma Key
zoneseek@thedarktower.com
i'm positive there's no info that says they're related, it's just a thought i had. if the crimson queen was the oldest of the great ones and for a while all they did was fuck and multiply i'm curious if that whole species started with her.
the only problem i have with this idea is that i really don't see dandelo as being a deadlights kinda dude.
Like me!
*HEADLIGHTS*
oh, you said deadlights
"You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think." - Duma Key
zoneseek@thedarktower.com
did you just show me your tits?
I feel like I just walked in on something...or was it a free for all?
*honks at Zone*
There's the theory that the King, Dandelo, and IT are all of the same species and that Dandelo is one of the eggs that escaped death at the feet of the Loser's Club.
My favorite bands can kick your favorite bands' asses.
The horizon is right and motionless like the EKG of a dying woman.
Thanks for the input guys...when I get a chance I'll put some of my own thoughts up on this heheh
XIX
"See the TURTLE of enormous girth,
On his shell he holds the earth.
If you want to run and play,
Come along the BEAM today."
NFA JJG 42-95
"You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think." - Duma Key
zoneseek@thedarktower.com
I like where this is going. The idea that they could all be "kin" somehow is very appealing to me.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
IT is one of the Great Ones--immortal, primal, and Prim-bound. The Crimson King is like this strange Prim-being that melded with the Line of Eld, which makes sense figuring how much ol' Arthur got around. And Dandelo takes the form of a clown during his death, w favourite of IT. He's also an empathic vampire, which would make it more than apparent that he's a son (if they have sexes) of IT.
My favorite bands can kick your favorite bands' asses.
The horizon is right and motionless like the EKG of a dying woman.
yeah i was figuring It would have to be a great one once i started remembering more of the story. i've only gotten all the way through the book twice and the second time doesn't count because i was so distracted while listening to it.
the crimson king is the son of the crimson queen (the oldest of the great ones) and arthur eld.
and yeah, i think you're probably right about dandelo. it's the only explanation that makes sense of his nature and his knowledge of It.
How does Flagg fit in with this family do you reckon?
"You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think." - Duma Key
zoneseek@thedarktower.com
Flagg is a semi-Eternal being, so he fits in as sharing some qualities of IT. He also probably knows well of Derry and its territories.
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apparently flagg started out as some regular farmboy in delain. i have no clue how he ended up being this big badass. he says people mistook him for maerlyn, i've wondered if maybe mearlyn was his mentor or something but i have no reason to think that. i've also wondered how the hell being raped led to him being all evil. i know it can turn ya mean but damn. could he maybe have been raped by maerlyn and somehow gotten his power through that? that's a totally stupid thought isn't it?
Well, I think his rape led to his thirst for revenge.
My favorite bands can kick your favorite bands' asses.
The horizon is right and motionless like the EKG of a dying woman.
makes sense, i just wish i knew more of the story. he's such a damn mystery to me. every time i start to think i have something figured out i realize that theory doesn't work. like, at one point i was convinced he hopped from body to body, at the end of the stand he woke up in another him (a twinner in another world) but that doesn't explain him as marten being his own buddy walter in gilead or being able to be a big black bird. dammit i wanna understand it all!!!