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    Come on! Lets get three more votes for Lecter!
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    Let's look around first, maybe I got it all wrong and the thread is here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Fascinating, maybe; intriguing, sure; I can never love them anyway. As to who is more interesting, there must be a thread where Nikolett expressed an opinion very similar to mine; it was called something like "why do people like the bad guy" - she confessed, much like me here, that she was never really interested in the villain of a story. (Now, as I am typing this, the horrible realization creeps upon me that the thread may have been at .net...)
    I remember it very well.

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    bears would always vote a good guy over a bad guy
    Hannibal Lecter isn't totally bad. He isn't a villain to me. He is a psycho and he isn't an ordinary person still... my mind doesn't consider him as a villain.
    I voted for him.

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    I voted for Indy, because honestly, I would be more likely to rewatch Indy movies more times than Hannibal movies even though I love both.

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    Close race!
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    I used to think my life was a tragedy. Now I realize, it's a comedy.

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    Regarding Lecter being a "bad guy", he is very much a bad guy. Just because he wasn't the main villain of Silence of the Lambs doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy. I've met people very much like him in my life, and I mean VERY much like him. Trust me on this one, no matter what sort of polish and clothing he may wear, he's definitely a villain. Remember, no matter how pretty it looks on the outside, no matter how delicious you may think it will be, a rotten apple is still rotten.
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    We named the dog INDIANA
    I believe that that should be "We named THE DOG Indiana."
    yes, you are correct
    No big deal, I just love the line, too. "Indiana's" fahthah might just be an even great character than Indy himself. Too bad he got no nomination here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Fascinating, maybe; intriguing, sure; I can never love them anyway. As to who is more interesting, there must be a thread where Nikolett expressed an opinion very similar to mine; it was called something like "why do people like the bad guy" - she confessed, much like me here, that she was never really interested in the villain of a story. (Now, as I am typing this, the horrible realization creeps upon me that the thread may have been at .net...)
    hmmm, I don't recall it. It might have been before my time over there. But maybe we should start up another discussion, because I'd like to continue this but I don't want to hog the thread.
    Great idea. I'll keep an eye out for that thread, as well.

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    I had to vote for the bad guy this time. I can love a character without loving the supposed person that the character is representative of.
    As usual, you caught the very essence of the matter and worded it clearly... Anyway, though, I can only like such a character, while loving for me would necessarily take liking both the character and the person.
    For me, that can be replaced with liking both the character and the writer. (And thanks for the compliment.)

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    alas, in Lecter case, I like neither the character, nor the writer, nor the director........

    (liked what Sam wrote, though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Regarding Lecter being a "bad guy", he is very much a bad guy. Just because he wasn't the main villain of Silence of the Lambs doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy. I've met people very much like him in my life, and I mean VERY much like him. Trust me on this one, no matter what sort of polish and clothing he may wear, he's definitely a villain. Remember, no matter how pretty it looks on the outside, no matter how delicious you may think it will be, a rotten apple is still rotten.
    It's more complex than that. It's not like he's, say, Freddy Krueger.

    For example, in Hannibal (the book), a girl was raped by her pedophile brother. Hannibal was her psychiatrist, and he helped her get over the blame that she was feeling over it. And when she finally killed her brother, Hannibal willingly took the blame so she wouldn't get caught. He does have a moral code and a sense of right and wrong, no matter how warped that may be. (And I know some people think this was added at the last minute in the third book, but it's still present in Silence in some spots).

    If people here think Mordred (of all people) is misunderstood when Mordred never committed a nice act in his life, I think Lecter should be afforded a similar courtesy.


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    I'll have to agree with Sam on this one. Lecter is a cannibalistic serial killer. If you make a habit of killing people for your own gratification this pretty much makes you evil. While his twisted sense of morality and fair play does make him a more complex character there's nothing complex about the fact that he's one bad dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cozener View Post
    I'll have to agree with Sam on this one. Lecter is a cannibalistic serial killer. If you make a habit of killing people for your own gratification this pretty much makes you evil. While his twisted sense of morality and fair play does make him a more complex character there's nothing complex about the fact that he's one bad dude.
    sounds very true to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberGhostface View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Regarding Lecter being a "bad guy", he is very much a bad guy. Just because he wasn't the main villain of Silence of the Lambs doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy. I've met people very much like him in my life, and I mean VERY much like him. Trust me on this one, no matter what sort of polish and clothing he may wear, he's definitely a villain. Remember, no matter how pretty it looks on the outside, no matter how delicious you may think it will be, a rotten apple is still rotten.
    It's more complex than that. It's not like he's, say, Freddy Krueger.

    For example, in Hannibal (the book), a girl was raped by her pedophile brother. Hannibal was her psychiatrist, and he helped her get over the blame that she was feeling over it. And when she finally killed her brother, Hannibal willingly took the blame so she wouldn't get caught. He does have a moral code and a sense of right and wrong, no matter how warped that may be. (And I know some people think this was added at the last minute in the third book, but it's still present in Silence in some spots).

    If people here think Mordred (of all people) is misunderstood when Mordred never committed a nice act in his life, I think Lecter should be afforded a similar courtesy.
    wow.....we actually agree on something.
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    I liked Lecter best, though I love Indiana too.

    On the subject of good and bad guys I think it's rather rare that a person is one or another and I have no problem loving a bad guy in fiction or in real life. Behavior or actions don't make for a bad guy IMO. Good people do some very despicable things too sometimes. Rarely is someone a clearly good or bad person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brice View Post
    I liked Lecter best, though I love Indiana too.

    On the subject of good and bad guys I think it's rather rare that a person is one or another and I have no problem loving a bad guy in fiction or in real life. Behavior or actions don't make for a bad guy IMO. Good people do some very despicable things too sometimes. Rarely is someone a clearly good or bad person.
    in 'real life' there is always hope - but with fiction unfortunatley the writer is in charge. in the first film lecter was an enigma (i think that is how you spell it) it in the 2nd he was just twisted so lost the vote

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    I don't think Lecter was just plain bad though. I think the books add significantly more to the character. Hope's a funny thing. There is pretty much always hope.


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    Indiana Jones advances!
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