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  • Ed Bloom (Big Fish)

    2 5.56%
  • Neo (The Matrix trilogy)

    8 22.22%
  • Mr. Pink (Reservoir Dogs)

    4 11.11%
  • Vito Corleone (The Godfather)

    10 27.78%
  • Clark Griswold (National Lampoon films)

    3 8.33%
  • Raymond Babbitt (Rain Man)

    3 8.33%
  • Red (The Shawshank Redemption)

    6 16.67%
  • Police Chief Martin Brody (Jaws)

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    I agree that's how a historian should do approach his job, but I suspect that's rarely the case of how it's actually done in practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brice View Post
    I agree that's how a historian should do approach his job, but I suspect that's rarely the case of how it's actually done in practice.
    That's what I meant when I said we were talking about two different things. I was speaking about history as a category, and you - both - about its historical phenomenon, which is, quite obviously, mythology. At every given moment. That's what caused the bear's confusion - you couldn't have for all those years considered me such a moron as to deny such obvious things?

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    No, I couldn't, but I am somewhat easily confused.
    The Awesomest fled across the desert and The Awesomer followed.

    If you rescue me
    Iíll be your friend forever


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    so yes, as i suspected, clarification shows agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayson View Post
    so yes, as i suspected, clarification shows agreement.
    Between us - always. Has been noticed before.


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    *dives in to join* *grouphug*
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Sorry, it goes very far beyond topic, but if you both read what I said unbiasedly (I mean, conceding that I may not be such a complete idiot as not to see that all history is always written subjectively, either on purpose or due the very nature of recording)...
    Exactly what I conceded to myself when you first posted, which is why I didn't drag this thread further afield myself. Good points, Brice and jayson, and Woofer (earlier). Still -- you the man, Jean.



    Back to The Matrix: I don't think that the (repeatedly complained about here) supposed unoriginality of its "key" concept really does detract from the importance or overall quality of the films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle View Post
    Back to The Matrix: I don't think that the (repeatedly complained about here) supposed unoriginality of its "key" concept really does detract from the importance or overall quality of the films.
    i agree. like i said, it's not the derivative nature of the concept, that's true of most things. i just found it poorly executed. i can handle derivative if it's done well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle View Post
    Exactly what I conceded to myself when you first posted, which is why I didn't drag this thread further afield myself. Good points, Brice and jayson, and Woofer (earlier). Still -- you the man, Jean.



    Quote Originally Posted by jayson View Post
    i agree. like i said, it's not the derivative nature of the concept, that's true of most things. i just found it poorly executed. i can handle derivative if it's done well.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle View Post
    Exactly what I conceded to myself when you first posted, which is why I didn't drag this thread further afield myself. Good points, Brice and jayson, and Woofer (earlier). Still -- you the man, Jean.



    Quote Originally Posted by jayson View Post
    i agree. like i said, it's not the derivative nature of the concept, that's true of most things. i just found it poorly executed. i can handle derivative if it's done well.
    This.
    Yes. It's all about how well the tale is told or the play/movie/show executed. I, for example, wouldn't make a good comedian because I suck at telling jokes. I'm always too dry or off a bit on my timing.
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    Well, I wouldn't say that "it's all" about the execution: Content certainly matters. I see the point you're all making, tho, I think.

    However... I dunno; I would never say that The Matrix is the best movie of all time, but I do like it, alright.

    When it comes to best characters, however, we can ultimately agree. I don't think that Neo was perfectly executed, but not too bad. I do think his conception was pretty good, personally. IMO, tho, he just never showed enough self-determination to warrant his advancement here towards our title. *shrug*

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    Ah, but good content in a story/book/movie/whatever that bores/angers/disgusts/whatever one to the point of not completing it has defeated itself by driving off the audience.
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    Not if it is only one.

    And my point: there's only so much that you can do with poor content, anyway.

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    Believe me, I know all about trying to make something good from inadequate input. I'm doing it right now.

    Perhaps it's best if I just say nothing more because I am too tired of having to prove that what I'm doing is right to people who have never done it and that's probably making me a little bit pissy here. I apologize if that is the case. Fall also seems to ramp up my SAD, which sucks because I LOVE fall.

    "Just do everything I tell you to do." MJK
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
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    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    Eh. Nothing personal, Woofer. Still, do hope that your job is not all bad. Thanks for your participation here. All quite interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    "Just do everything I tell you to do." MJK
    Mary Jo Kopechne said that? I thought my wife coined that phrase. That unoriginal plagiarizing bitch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cozener View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    "Just do everything I tell you to do." MJK
    Mary Jo Kopechne said that? I thought my wife coined that phrase. That unoriginal plagiarizing bitch!
    It's one of those Jungian archetypes. They all do that.

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    ROFL!

    TOOL and Maynard James Keenan from the song Opiate - album of the same name.
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    Oh fine! Call me names! Its soooo easy!

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