No...Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle
No...
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I enjoyed Jerry Maguire, too, but didn't think Cruise was that great in it. It's just a very well written part.
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oh path honey i do hope your being sarcastic?Well, it does show that he has some range, doesn't it?
Jean: You're saying that you've never seen Jerry Maguire?
Huh? All I was saying was that the character was... different. I think that that might have been why ArtherEld brought it up. Whether or not he actually did a good job of playing the part is another matter. What is it exactly that you are trying to say about it, candy?
Gary Oldman.
He was convincing as both Sid Vicious AND Ludwig van Beethoven, not to mention Sirius Black, Commisioner Gordon, Rosencrantz (or Guildenstern), Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg, O. W. Grant, Drexl Spivey, Stansfield, Oswald, and even Doctor Smith in that godawful Lost in Space remake.
It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
A whole lot more than riches and muscle.
The hands of the many must join as one.
And together we'll cross the river.
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Probably not. I just like that character. One of my personal favorites, but as far as being a factually superb acting, you're probably right.
All I'm trying to say about Cruise is that he is underrated amongst the critics, even as he is overrated amongst celebrity lovers.
Oh, i definitely agree with ya there, Woofer. I haven't seen all of Oldman's films, but i'll say this much: i've loved him in pretty much everything I've seen him in so far. His portrayal of Sid Vicioius was especially brilliant and haunting. However, having just watched Leon, his performance as Stansfield might just be my new favourite. At least he's easily one of my favourite villains in cinema. He was one bad fucker in that one. If ever they were to remake the Stand, just get Gary Oldman to play Flagg. He's just too good at playing the cold hearted, crazy arsed bastard not to do it!
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Let us not forget Kevin Costner who always plays Kevin Costner. Great costars often make him look good, but jeez...
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That movie is awesome, and Stansfield is a great character, one of my favorite villains as well. Gary Oldman and independent film fans must check out Interstate 60: Episodes of the Road.Oh, i definitely agree with ya there, Woofer. I haven't seen all of Oldman's films, but i'll say this much: i've loved him in pretty much everything I've seen him in so far. His portrayal of Sid Vicioius was especially brilliant and haunting. However, having just watched Leon, his performance as Stansfield might just be my new favourite. At least he's easily one of my favourite villains in cinema. He was one bad fucker in that one. If ever they were to remake the Stand, just get Gary Oldman to play Flagg. He's just too good at playing the cold hearted, crazy arsed bastard not to do it!
I firmly believe he will be remembered as one of the great leading character actors of our time. He's so damn believable.
It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
A whole lot more than riches and muscle.
The hands of the many must join as one.
And together we'll cross the river.
Puscifer, "The Humbling River"
Gary Oldman rules. One of the most talented actors in film.
And on Kevin Costner, yeah. He does pretty much play himself in every role. But a lot of actors that are considered "great" do that. Al Pacino, Sean Connery, Jack Nicholson...always the same...maybe not so much when they were younger but now, definitely. Some people can let their screen presence carry them. Costner is one of those people. And he's really good at playing himself. I like watching his movies. You look at Kevin and you think, "I could sit and have a beer with that guy". Anybody see Mr. Brooks? Great movie. I've enjoyed all of the Costner movies I've seen. (but then I haven't seen Message in a Bottle)
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The Man In Black Fled Across The Desert...
...And The Gunslinger Followed.
“I’m always on the Batman rule, sir.” - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"It is the story, not he who tells it." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
A whole lot more than riches and muscle.
The hands of the many must join as one.
And together we'll cross the river.
Puscifer, "The Humbling River"
that the role could have been played by a monkey! i understand the whole film was a caricature, (and it doesn't help my asessment that i didn't like the film) but the cruise character was just a gurning baffoon! it just seemed to me to be tom cruise in a suit, and yes that may have been the whole point of the film, but that doesn't mean it was good acting.
i do actually agree with you, all to often the characters that we see in film are overridden by the 'celebrity' we have seen in the media, but seldom have i found that with cruise (accept for tropic thunder - pls see aboveProbably not. I just like that character. One of my personal favorites, but as far as being a factually superb acting, you're probably right.
All I'm trying to say about Cruise is that he is underrated amongst the critics, even as he is overrated amongst celebrity lovers.) but i would say 90% of his films i have bought into his character which to me equals a damn good actor when you consider the column inches he gets
Please... let us!Yeah, I kind of guessed that that might be what you had in mind. You're certainly entitled to not like the film, but, after all, yes, a gurning baffoon was exactly their intention.that the role could have been played by a monkey! i understand the whole film was a caricature, (and it doesn't help my asessment that i didn't like the film) but the cruise character was just a gurning baffoon! ...True. Just so it's clear that it doesn't necessarily mean that it's not.I wouldn't go that far. I'm not saying that it was really good, but it did seem, to me, that there was some acting involved.No...Yar, I bet that you would really like it.
No...
Neither have I. Can't get past Cruise.
I concur completely with Jean's appraisal of Cruise in Rain Man and Vanilla Sky, and I have seen a lot of his movies.
It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
A whole lot more than riches and muscle.
The hands of the many must join as one.
And together we'll cross the river.
Puscifer, "The Humbling River"
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