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    I thought that Kevin Smith's films deserve their own thread. Most of my favorite movies are from the View Askew-niverse. (Afterall, I did get my username from Steve Dave, a split second character who appears in most of the films. )
    I love the dialogue in these films and the characters are always believable to me. I also love how each movie makes at least one mention of a character from another movie. Simply put, I think Kevin Smith's work is genius. (Now is the time when someone brings up Jersey Girl. Which is not on my list of favorite movies, but I still stand by my statement.)
    So, what are your favorites: Movies, quotes, other honorable mentions.
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    I loved Jersey Girl. It's the only Kevin Smith film that my wife enjoyed. (she's a bit old-fashioned and hates rough language. heck she hates, rough language, violence, sexual references, nudity, and sex on film. how the hell did I end up with her??)

    I just watched Zack and Miri Make a Porno, and I was rather disappointed. Smith usually makes such good films, and he's capable of much better. Dogma is my favorite, followed very closely by Clerks II.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    I loved Jersey Girl. It's the only Kevin Smith film that my wife enjoyed. (she's a bit old-fashioned and hates rough language. heck she hates, rough language, violence, sexual references, nudity, and sex on film. how the hell did I end up with her??)

    I just watched Zack and Miri Make a Porno, and I was rather disappointed. Smith usually makes such good films, and he's capable of much better. Dogma is my favorite, followed very closely by Clerks II.

    I thought Jersey Girl was alright. It just wasn't the same feel as his other movies, you know? Cause like I said, I love the dialogue in his movies, the debates between characters, the connections to his other movies, etc. That one didn't have all of it.
    And, I have yet to see Zack and Miri. I need to get on it.

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    I have a very on again/off again relationship with Kevin Smith...the films that I like from him, I really enjoy...but the ones that I don't care for, I don't at all.

    I loved the Clerks movies, Dogma, and Mallrats, but that's about as far as it goes.

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    I've enjoyed all of his films, but Zack and Miri is at the bottom of the pile I think.

    As for Jersey Girl, I figured it was just a seperate thing all together and not in the Askewniverse. Neither is Zack and Miri.
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    OMG, Kevin Smith is a genius! Dogma was brilliant. I have so many favorite quotes from Dogma that I'll just pick one at random:

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    I have a love/hate relationship with Kevin Smith's films. Basically, the earlier the better.

    Clerks is one of my all time favorite movies. I went to high school with Brian O'Halloran who played Dante and we were pretty good friends, but we lost contact after he graduated (he was a year ahead of me). I had no idea he was in the film until I saw it and as soon as he was on screen I said out loud in the theater "Holy shit! I know that guy!" I think the film is absolutely brilliant and proves that big budgets and high-priced actors are completely superfluous if you have a great script and a little bit of vision.

    Mallrats is another piece of genius. When there were fewer movies in Kevin's catalog, Mallrats used to get a lot of abuse (pre Jersey Girl) but I always defended it. Perhaps growing up in the same part of New Jersey as Smith makes me unable to be objective, but his representation of that world is often scarily accurate. It's also fun to know every location and reference to real places (especially the Rte. 1 Flea Market aka "the Dirt Mall"). If I have a favorite character in the View Askewniverse, it's definitely Brody.

    Chasing Amy was alright. I am of the same mind as Woofer about Ben Affleck so a film with him as leading man can only be so enjoyable for me, but I thought Kevin's script was good and Banky was a great role for Jason Lee (for a guy who came from the world of skateboarding, Lee developed into a pretty enjoyable actor).

    Dogma was excellent. There's little I can say about that hasn't already been said. It was nice to see Kevin manage such a large story and cast and still have it feel very much like a Kevin Smith film. I also get a lot of mileage out of making my favorite joke about Dogma which is that the moral of the story is that Alanis Morisette's voice can kill you.

    Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back begins the slide for me. It's not that it isn't funny because it certainly has it's funny parts, but it's rather stupid, even for a movie about Jay & Silent Bob. Jason Mewes works for me in small doses only. Having him on screen for two hours is far too much for me.

    Jersey Girl - well, it'd be better to just pretend this movie doesn't exist. I felt compelled to see it because it was Kevin's. I wish I hadn't.

    Clerks II - sometimes I wish people would just leave well enough alone of their better works. When Kevin resurrected Dante and Randal for the stupid little Jay Leno segments I was mildly annoyed. When he decided to make a second movie with them, in color(!) I got much more annoyed. It falls into my "must every movie become a franchise?" line of displeasure. Like Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, it's not that it wasn't funny, but compared to the real Clerks, it pales in comparison. Just because Kevin had more experience and more money didn't mean he needed to revisit his past successes.

    I have yet to see Zach & Miri so I can't comment on that other than to say that I've loved Seth Rogen since Freaks & Geeks so I suspect however I feel about the film, I'll love his performance.

    And I cannot make a Kevin Smith post without mentioning Clerks: The Animated Series. As short-lived as it was, it was hilarious. I almost think it's better that there were only six episodes because there aren't any bad ones.

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    I'm in the same opinion as R of G.

    I'm a big fan, but Clerks II was horrible and a severe disappointment.

    Dogma is one of my favorite movies ever and I like Seth Rogan so want to see Zach & Miri eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    I have a love/hate relationship with Kevin Smith's films. Basically, the earlier the better.

    Clerks is one of my all time favorite movies. I went to high school with Brian O'Halloran who played Dante and we were pretty good friends, but we lost contact after he graduated (he was a year ahead of me). I had no idea he was in the film until I saw it and as soon as he was on screen I said out loud in the theater "Holy shit! I know that guy!" I think the film is absolutely brilliant and proves that big budgets and high-priced actors are completely superfluous if you have a great script and a little bit of vision.

    Mallrats is another piece of genius. When there were fewer movies in Kevin's catalog, Mallrats used to get a lot of abuse (pre Jersey Girl) but I always defended it. Perhaps growing up in the same part of New Jersey as Smith makes me unable to be objective, but his representation of that world is often scarily accurate. It's also fun to know every location and reference to real places (especially the Rte. 1 Flea Market aka "the Dirt Mall"). If I have a favorite character in the View Askewniverse, it's definitely Brody.

    Chasing Amy was alright. I am of the same mind as Woofer about Ben Affleck so a film with him as leading man can only be so enjoyable for me, but I thought Kevin's script was good and Banky was a great role for Jason Lee (for a guy who came from the world of skateboarding, Lee developed into a pretty enjoyable actor).

    Dogma was excellent. There's little I can say about that hasn't already been said. It was nice to see Kevin manage such a large story and cast and still have it feel very much like a Kevin Smith film. I also get a lot of mileage out of making my favorite joke about Dogma which is that the moral of the story is that Alanis Morisette's voice can kill you.

    Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back begins the slide for me. It's not that it isn't funny because it certainly has it's funny parts, but it's rather stupid, even for a movie about Jay & Silent Bob. Jason Mewes works for me in small doses only. Having him on screen for two hours is far too much for me.

    Jersey Girl - well, it'd be better to just pretend this movie doesn't exist. I felt compelled to see it because it was Kevin's. I wish I hadn't.

    Clerks II - sometimes I wish people would just leave well enough alone of their better works. When Kevin resurrected Dante and Randal for the stupid little Jay Leno segments I was mildly annoyed. When he decided to make a second movie with them, in color(!) I got much more annoyed. It falls into my "must every movie become a franchise?" line of displeasure. Like Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, it's not that it wasn't funny, but compared to the real Clerks, it pales in comparison. Just because Kevin had more experience and more money didn't mean he needed to revisit his past successes.

    I have yet to see Zach & Miri so I can't comment on that other than to say that I've loved Seth Rogen since Freaks & Geeks so I suspect however I feel about the film, I'll love his performance.

    And I cannot make a Kevin Smith post without mentioning Clerks: The Animated Series. As short-lived as it was, it was hilarious. I almost think it's better that there were only six episodes because there aren't any bad ones.
    I pretty much agree with you here with every film until Jersey Girl. I think Jersey Girl is actually a pretty good film and shows that Smith is capable of making a movie that isn't full of harsh language and dick jokes. It also showed that when people see a Kevin Smith film they want harsh language and dick jokes.

    I really enjoyed Clerks II. I found it funny and fun to revisit Dante and Randall. I also thought it was very nice to see where they were and how they had grown, ie. not a single bit. It was also very interesting to see how they end up and bookended the whole Askew series quite well. The donkey show frightened me. It frightened me a lot, quite frankly. All in all, I thought it was well done and stayed true to the characters that were established so long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    I really enjoyed Clerks II. I found it funny and fun to revisit Dante and Randall. I also thought it was very nice to see where they were and how they had grown, ie. not a single bit. It was also very interesting to see how they end up and bookended the whole Askew series quite well. The donkey show frightened me. It frightened me a lot, quite frankly. All in all, I thought it was well done and stayed true to the characters that were established so long ago.
    A lot of my friends liked it as well. Like I said, it wasn't that I didn't like it as much as I found it unnecessary. Revisiting old characters is not really my thing. To be honest, I've always preferred the "alternate" (originally planned) ending to Clerks and had Kevin gone with that, there'd not have been a Clerks II because...

    Clerks Alternate Ending

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    I think Kevin thought with that ending, that the joke would have taken away from the seriousness I thought he was going for. At the time the movie was released, I had a friend who was shot and killed in her convenience store. If I had seen the ending you propose, I likely would have turned me off Smith for good.

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    As for a Clerks II after that, you're right. Kevin COULD have written around that and still had Dante since all we know is he was shot, but I don't think fans would have accepted it as easily.
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    Chasing Amy is my favorite, with a close second of Clerks. Then Mallrats, just for the Jason Lee / Stan Lee scene in the Mall.

    I love Kevin Smith... but I admit, he's a better writer than he is director.

    Clerks II is okay, very predictable... but then again... ROSARIO !



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    I have a love/hate relationship with Kevin Smith's films. Basically, the earlier the better.
    I agree

    Chasing Amy was alright. I am of the same mind as Woofer about Ben Affleck so a film with him as leading man can only be so enjoyable for me, but I thought Kevin's script was good and Banky was a great role for Jason Lee (for a guy who came from the world of skateboarding, Lee developed into a pretty enjoyable actor).
    I really like Chasing Amy, it's just the more serious films from the View Askew world. It's definitely not one that I put in when I want a good laugh.
    But Jason Lee in this one:

    Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back begins the slide for me. It's not that it isn't funny because it certainly has it's funny parts, but it's rather stupid, even for a movie about Jay & Silent Bob. Jason Mewes works for me in small doses only. Having him on screen for two hours is far too much for me.
    I like this one, but I also have some beef with it. The first time I saw it, I really liked all the crossovers from the previous movies: Randall calling the cops on Jay in the beginning, Jay and Bob visiting Brody at the comic store, all the previous characters coming out of the movie theater in the end, etc. But, to me, it seemed like the first 'big budget' movie from the bunch (Dogma included) and it targeted a whole new audience, not just people who had seen all the other movies. I remember being in the theater watching it when it first opened, and it seemed no one else in the theater even laughed at the references. It made me feel a little sad. I mean here we see Brody with a f'n comic book store and nobody 'gets it'!

    Jersey Girl - well, it'd be better to just pretend this movie doesn't exist. I felt compelled to see it because it was Kevin's. I wish I hadn't.
    All I can really say about this one is that it made me terrified to go through child labor.

    Clerks II - sometimes I wish people would just leave well enough alone of their better works. When Kevin resurrected Dante and Randal for the stupid little Jay Leno segments I was mildly annoyed. When he decided to make a second movie with them, in color(!) I got much more annoyed. It falls into my "must every movie become a franchise?" line of displeasure. Like Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back, it's not that it wasn't funny, but compared to the real Clerks, it pales in comparison. Just because Kevin had more experience and more money didn't mean he needed to revisit his past successes.
    With Clerks being one of my favorite films, I have a lot of problems with Clerks II. Most of it wasn't even funny. I almost had to 'forget' it existed so it wouldn't taint my love of the original. I think the only reason I walked away from the theater with a little bit of satisfaction was because of the film reverting back to black and white in the end with a shot of the milk maids.

    And I cannot make a Kevin Smith post without mentioning Clerks: The Animated Series. As short-lived as it was, it was hilarious. I almost think it's better that there were only six episodes because there aren't any bad ones.
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    I love Kevin's films (well at least the early ones).
    I loved the first 3 and can't really pick a favorite amongst them, but if I had to it'd probably be Clerks. Those 3 are actually some of my all-time favorite films.
    I did also enjoy Dogma, although not as much as the others. And then after that I just really haven't been able to get into them. I didn't care all that much for Jay & Silent Bob or Clerks II. I really wish he had just left it as a stand alone film. To me it just ends up paling in comparison to the original. However, after having said that, I did love the animated series he did. It really was hilarious.
    One of the things I enjoy the most is his View Askewniverse that he created, so therefore I tend to gravitate more toward those films. And I hope that he will one day revisit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heather19 View Post
    One of the things I enjoy the most is his View Askewniverse that he created, so therefore I tend to gravitate more toward those films. And I hope that he will one day revisit it.
    That's what I love too. I remember watching Mallrats one day and realized: "Oh shit. The chick who died in the swimming pool is the same funeral they went to in Clerks." Then I had to rewatch all the beginning films to get all the connections. I mean, how many times are Rick Derris and Kaitlin Bree mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girlystevedave View Post
    I love these and I wish the series had lasted longer.
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    "Oh shit. The chick who died in the swimming pool is the same funeral they went to in Clerks."
    Not to mention the appearance of one of the Jones sisters each in Clerks, Mallrats and Chasing Amy. So many connections between those three movies.

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    And I don't know if I picked up on the Jones sisters.
    I need to rewatch Chasing Amy tonight I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girlystevedave View Post
    And I don't know if I picked up on the Jones sisters.
    I need to rewatch Chasing Amy tonight I guess.
    The first one is the girl in Clerks who leaves with Rick Derris after they decide Dante is out of shape. I can't remember her first name, but she's definitely a Jones and I think Rick even says she's Alyssa's little sister.

    The second is Tricia Jones (Trish the Dish) in Mallrats.

    The third is Alyssa Jones in Chasing Amy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    ...Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back begins the slide for me. It's not that it isn't funny because it certainly has it's funny parts, but it's rather stupid, even for a movie about Jay & Silent Bob. ...
    Very true. Self-deprecation, that's what J&SBSB is. Smith went commercial and basically just threw a big party under the guise of making a movie. Biggest problem was his lame attempt to patch in story elements from his comics, then mis-casting Will Ferrell to the role that was originally a parody of Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Most of this movie flopped like a fish.

    On the other hand, I am very fond of Clerks II, and a bit sad that it's gotten no love on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle View Post
    Biggest problem was his lame attempt to patch in story elements from his comics, then mis-casting Will Ferrell to the role that was originally a parody of Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Most of this movie flopped like a fish.
    The only part of that Ferrell role which was funny to me was the name of the character, Marshal Willenholly, a reference to Land of the Lost...

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    When I saw it, I think I was the only person in the theater that laughed when he first said his name. I had to explain to my friends why it was funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turtlex View Post
    Chasing Amy is my favorite, with a close second of Clerks. Then Mallrats, just for the Jason Lee / Stan Lee scene in the Mall.

    I love Kevin Smith... but I admit, he's a better writer than he is director.

    Clerks II is okay, very predictable... but then again... ROSARIO !



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    I did not know Zack and Miri make a porno was Kevin Smith! makes alot of sense now. . lol. . Dogma has to be my all time favorite. . Come on, Buddy Christ? AWESOME!!!. The only thing I hated about it was Alanis Morrisette as God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    The only part of that Ferrell role which was funny to me was the name of the character, Marshal Willenholly, a reference to Land of the Lost...

    Marshall, Will, and Holly on a routine expedition
    Met the greatest earthquake ever known.
    High on the rapids it struck their tiny raft,
    And plunged them down a thousand feet below.
    To the Land of the Lost


    When I saw it, I think I was the only person in the theater that laughed when he first said his name. I had to explain to my friends why it was funny.
    Mr. Woofer and I were also the only ones laughing at that part when we saw it.
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    just a thought, didn't Kevin Smith also do 'Knocked Up' or am i mistaken?


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