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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkthoughts View Post
    Yes, for me they were people that probably had a child because it was part of what they thought you should do, rather than considering if they actually wanted to, or if they had the time and emotional stability it takes to be a parent.


    yes. I so agree with you. Jake's parents seemed like the type of people who were struggling with their own demons. They tried in their own way to take care of Jake (Gretta Shaw), but were too absorbed in their own shit to really be good parents. I think that if they sobered up and got their own shit together and divorced they may have been more aware of Jake and what was happening to him.

    The thing is, it was the 70's. You gotta keep that in mind, too, imo.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Malficeus View Post
    but with his job i wanted to know who keeps a Kruger in a desk?
    What does his job have to do with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malficeus View Post
    but with his job i wanted to know who keeps a Kruger in a desk?
    What does his job have to do with that?
    Exactly. He kept a Ruger in his desk likely bc he lived in Manhattan.

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    Jake was a child to them.

    Something that happened and they had to care for it as best they could.

    As with all of us - we do the best with what we are given.

    Jake's father put him in the best of schools and hired the best of nannies for him. He cared for him as best he could.

    Is he the perfect daddy?

    Is any one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Childe 007 View Post
    Jake was a child to them.
    Jake's father put him in the best of schools and hired the best of nannies for him. He cared for him as best he could.
    The first & second sentences there don't fit too well together for me, say sorry.
    Yes, his parents were rich.
    They paid for him to go to a good school.
    They paid for a good nanny/housekeeper to care for him.

    Does that = "He cared for him as best he could."?? Not really to my mind - they needed to give a bit of themselves to him - not just their money.

    Not that they mistreated him or anything, as I said before - just that they neglected him, imho.
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    Paying for expensive schools and nannies is not parenting. It's a more civil form of neglect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Paying for expensive schools and nannies is not parenting. It's a more civil form of neglect.
    Even negative feedback is better than no feedback at all for children.

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    Jake's mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Childe 007 View Post
    Jake was a child to them.
    Jake's father put him in the best of schools and hired the best of nannies for him. He cared for him as best he could.
    The first & second sentences there don't fit too well together for me, say sorry.
    Yes, his parents were rich.
    They paid for him to go to a good school.
    They paid for a good nanny/housekeeper to care for him.

    Does that = "He cared for him as best he could."?? Not really to my mind - they needed to give a bit of themselves to him - not just their money.
    How true.

    Altought I don't think that Jake's parents were so horrible I must say with the nanny they were just lucky. I can't imagine that they were looking for a good nanny for long. They chose one and thank God she was a good-hearted one.
    About the school.. Jake had to go to the best school to prove his parents that what they were doing was good and not selfish.
    "Look, my son goes to the best school of the country. That's why I work. (Not because I am hungry for money, nono.) I work because my son desveres the best."
    I think you get what I mean.
    So with the nanny and the school they didn't do anything.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    About the school.. Jake had to go to the best school to prove his parents that what they were doing was good and not selfish.
    "Look, my son goes to the best school of the country. That's why I work. (Not because I am hungry for money, nono.) I work because my son desveres the best."
    I saw it more as a status thing with the Chambers and Piper. I'm not saying Elmer didn't think going to Piper would be good for Jake's future, but to me it seemed more like he sent him there because that's where the son of a man as important as Elmer was "supposed" to go to school.

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker View Post
    Jake's mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries!
    Thanks for the free laugh! Great reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker View Post
    Jake's mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries!
    Thanks for the free laugh! Great reference.
    Yes, but it would have been prudent to fart in their general direction whilst saying it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
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    Jake's mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries!
    Thanks for the free laugh! Great reference.
    Yes, but it would have been prudent to fart in their general direction whilst saying it!
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    I didn't like them a bit, but I think they were a big part of the way the kid turned out, which I did like.

    Therefore, I fell the were a nessacary evil.

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    I didn't think much of Jake's parents. I don't think that Jake had the worst parents in the world. There simply was no bonding between the parents and the child. That was was the message that I think King was trying to make. I know that Jake was sad about this and as reader that made your heart ache for him...this is what made US BOND with Jake. ( at least this is what made my heart open to him ) I think that the lack of bonding was written to show that your family is not always your true family...that there are bonds that are more powerful than the what most of consider the most solid bonds( like blood relatives )
    Jake was not destined to stay with his parents.
    ....Jake was supposed to be with Roland, Eddie, Susan and OY...
    Oy was Jake's truest bond...Oy was Jake's most cherished love...OY loved Jake like he deserved to be loved...and jake loved him...
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    Kithereal, that's a very good take on it, that it was about the lack of bonding between Jake and the Chambers. I had not thought of it like that, but it makes perfect sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malficeus View Post
    but with his job i wanted to know who keeps a Kruger in a desk?
    What does his job have to do with that?
    well i self assumed since it was his study he used it for work but still who keeps one there? keep it some where like on top of a dresser or something

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    not if you have kids mate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malficeus View Post
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    but with his job i wanted to know who keeps a Kruger in a desk?
    What does his job have to do with that?
    well i self assumed since it was his study he used it for work but still who keeps one there? keep it some where like on top of a dresser or something
    People can keep their guns (an other dangerous things) at incredible places.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I think we all agree that roland was a better parent to jake than his biolocical ones, it was Ka after all. And i do belive that jake was better off with roland
    Spoiler:
    even if it lead to his death, i belived he died to proctect somthing he thought worth fighting for
    but i cant help but feel a little bit of sorrow for his real parents. They lost a child afterall..
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    Whenever I read the parts with Jakes' parents, I think if Pearl Jam's song Jeremy.

    "Daddy didn't give attention
    Oh, to the fact that mommy didn't care"

    and later

    "Daddy didn't give affection, no...
    And the boy was something that mommy wouldn't wear"
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woofer View Post
    Whenever I read the parts with Jakes' parents, I think if Pearl Jam's song Jeremy.

    "Daddy didn't give attention
    Oh, to the fact that mommy didn't care"

    and later

    "Daddy didn't give affection, no...
    And the boy was something that mommy wouldn't wear"
    very similar thoughts here, at least jake took out his violence in another world not his classroom like jeremy.

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    Yes! I think the King Jeremy the Wicked part of Jake is most evident when the taxi driver almost hits Oy. Jaysus! Thank ka that he was of the White - for that matter, thank ka that they were all of the White.
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

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    his dad was one of the types that was self absorbed but really wasn't trying to ignore his son. it was just his natrue. his mother seemed like the type that feared her husband, not the kind of fear with abusive husbands, but the kind fear where she didn't want to anger him or annoy him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daghain View Post
    I thought his dad was a total jerk, and his mother was too self-absorbed. I was really rooting for Jake to
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    get the hell out of there and go back to Roland, who was a better parent to him than the two who donated their DNA.
    I have to agree with you. I felt that Jakes parents did not care enuogh for him. Roland was a better parent.

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    I think Jake was very much on his own, I don't think his parents really cared much about him either way. When he cut school, their reaction or at least his fathers was so strong because he had been embarrassed not because Jake might have been hurt. I got the sense that Jake was a very lonely boy with no one to turn too.

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