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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Both are cylindrical in shape. I think the similarities end there.
    I don't know if they do. After all, the whole multiverse, the Tower being its axis, depends on a gunslinger's gun to survive. I do think, however, that with further moving up the spiral of the existence, development of human (or any other) race, and evolution of humanity, we'll find that it's not a gun but something we can't even think of now that it really depends on, and is similar to.

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    I think it's an interesting idea but don't think there is any connection.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    Cylindrical in shape? That reminds me of a certain thread at tdt.net with Allhail...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker View Post
    Cylindrical in shape? That reminds me of a certain thread at tdt.net with Allhail...
    Are you implying that at one point I might have made an inappropriate thread??
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    To me they are as different as possible.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker View Post
    Cylindrical in shape? That reminds me of a certain thread at tdt.net with Allhail...
    Are you implying that at one point I might have made an inappropriate thread??

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    Roland's revolvers almost certainly, beyond a shadow of a doubt, have rifled barrels.

    The rifled barrel was in use well before brass casings were used, and Roland's pistols definitely used modern bullets (brass-cased), therefore the possibility of a rifled barrel becomes a near certainty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valtr0n View Post
    Roland's revolvers almost certainly, beyond a shadow of a doubt, have rifled barrels.

    The rifled barrel was in use well before brass casings were used, and Roland's pistols definitely used modern bullets (brass-cased), therefore the possibility of a rifled barrel becomes a near certainty.

    You got me there, I was thinking of the insinuation of age of the pistols, not thinking about the fact that he used modern bullets from "our" world in them several times.

    Even so...I am not really feeling any deeper connection between the pistols and the Tower.
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    I'm sure the ancestors of the line of Eld designed those guns with the Tower in mind, but as far as being connected to the Tower itself? I don't know, there might be something there to connect them to the explanation of Roland's heightened skill, near immortality, etc etc

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    Or maybe the guns Roland carries don't directly cause his personal strengths, but just share the same cause: his heritage.

    Either way, though, his gun clearly IS connected to the Tower somehow. I mean, it is the key to entry, after all.

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    Yeah the guns are connected, but I think like you say they're more connected to the Line of Eld than to the Tower.


    Now, maybe the real question is why Arthur Eld is connected to the Tower?

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    Arthur Eld, or Arthur of Old has links with King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. The Knights of the Round Table link with the Gunslingers. In DT Susannah's grandfather refers to Roland's guns saying they are as much as Excalibur, Arthur's sword and the conferrer of Arthur's power. I always thought the guns Roland carried were the very guns that Arthur Eld carried, literally Excalibur.

    I saw the Tower, the Rose and the Guns as interchangeable, in a symbolic sense, three keys central to the tale. In my mind it is a trinity.

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    The Guns of Eld are definitely connected to the Tower, but I don't think the "rifling" and the spiral are connected.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker View Post
    Cylindrical in shape? That reminds me of a certain thread at tdt.net with Allhail...
    Are you implying that at one point I might have made an inappropriate thread??
    I'm not sure if memory states that you created it, but you and I sure participated in it...

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    I don't know about the rifling of the gun barrel, though SK does like his subtleties, but the guns and the Tower do seem to be linked. The image engraved near the tip of the barrel is like a flower , and according to the Gunslinger Born comments on gunslinger guns, was Arthur Eld's dinh mark. The same section also states that Roland's guns are made from materials not found in his world. It seems extremely likely that the guns are, indeed, the same that Arthur Eld carried.

    However, beyond stating that the guns came from another world (also in the comics, I think, I'll have to look), there is no comment I am aware of about where Arthur Eld got his guns.

    On a related note, I believe Arthur Eld also had a sword called Excalibur, in addition to his guns. I'll have to do more looking for that, too.

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    Without going and looking, I'm fairly sure that in the Gunslinger Born comics it states that the guns were infact forged from the sword Excalibur.

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    Yup, I do believe you're right. I think it says that in one of the side stories at the end of the comics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkthoughts View Post
    Without going and looking, I'm fairly sure that in the Gunslinger Born comics it states that the guns were infact forged from the sword Excalibur.
    It's treated as a possibility, but no one (mortal and on the lower levels of the Tower anyway) knows where the Guns of Eld come from.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    Okay, I've got the comic here, and it's a bit of both. Arthur Eld had both Excalibur and his guns, all of which came from another world. No one knows where he got the guns or the sword. Then, while fighting a giant snake, both of his guns were damaged, and he killed the snake with Excalibur. Since the sword was made from the same metal as the guns, it was used to forge new guns. Then, since they had seen how the guns worked, Arthur allowed his smiths to forge additional guns for his knights out of normal steel.

    The story is entitled "The Guns of Deschain", and is found in Gunslinger Born #3. I'd say that makes it pretty definitive that Roland has Arthur's guns.

    My new pet theory is that Arthur was given his guns so that Roland would end up with them. There's no reason, really, why they should be the key to the Tower unless that is what they were meant for.

    Also, Arthur referred to his weapons as both "Colts" and "Peacemakers." Gee, I wonder what kind of guns they are...

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    Well maybe Arthur Eld did know, but that was it.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    Default I would like a "close" up of the famous Gunslinger's Guns...

    Little help for a newbie?

    To be more specific, if anyone has a nice pic of the scrollwork engraving of Arthur Eld's mark on the barrel of the gunslinger's revolver that'd be really helpful as I'm stuck at work and I do not have my copy of the comix in front of me at the moment to look - and I'm actually looking to take my SA Beretta out to an engraver this weekend so I can get this mark on the barrel because I love the Dark Tower series so much.

    I found this one on the net but I'd really like to see how it's placed on the barrel and in what direction because the only pics I see on this site seem to show that the mark is backwards(?)



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    Hey haw3eye--welcome to the board.

    When your brand new, certain posts need to be validated so I apologize this took a bit to show up.

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    I'm not sure where you'd find that - but I sure do hope you post a picture of your engraved gun when complete.

    Good luck on your hunt.
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    Hmm...I know that there is an image of this in the back of one of the comics. I think it was one of the last issues of The Gunslinger Born. But I don't have it with me, so I can't post it now. If no one else finds the image first, I'll try to post it later.
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    hey thanks...yeah, the series inspired me to purchase my first single action revolver actually so this will be a real treat hopefully...now all i need is a set of sandal wood grips hehe.

    And I TOTALLY appreciate a scanned image so that I Can print it, I don't really want to leave my comic with the engraver lol!
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