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    Default If you love me then love me

    Why does this simple statement seem to be so deep to me and why do I like it so much? Do you feel the same why?
    I remember when I first read it I was a little girl and I was dreaming about love and about a man a lot (like little girls usually do) who could love me and when I read this very line it became one of my sweetest wishes to be able to tell this sentence to someone.

    Roland would have understood.

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    For me it was all about her. I got the impression from Susan (which is one of the reasons I loved her myself) that she was not the type to give herself physically...easily. She was a young virgin.

    The line did it for me because she was prepared to give herself fully if he would only love and and protect her.

    Great thread Letti
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    Yeah, you are right Letti. It's a powerful sentence, and speaks of totalitys and no half-measures. She wanted to commit herself fully , and she wanted no less from Roland. Damn clever use of words from Sai King - and not for the first time, to get so much from one short sentence.
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    I always thought the line was more playful then deep seated in love, but it's still charming.
    A true firewasp ninja would never wear such a ridiculous sweater.

    There's logic in nonsense.

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    Kind of like..."spank me if you are a man"?
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    Exactly.
    A true firewasp ninja would never wear such a ridiculous sweater.

    There's logic in nonsense.

    Give me all the bacon and eggs you have.

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    I am sorry, I never liked that line. I always found in it something as artificial as the whole love story depicted in W&G. Moreover, it sounds like a jingle out of a TV commercial. Time to make the coffee, time to make the donuts. Do the dew. Have a break, have a Kit Kat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    I am sorry, I never liked that line. I always found in it something as artificial as the whole love story depicted in W&G. Moreover, it sounds like a jingle out of a TV commercial. Time to make the coffee, time to make the donuts. Do the dew. Have a break, have a Kit Kat.
    Now you didn't surprise me.. I think I got used to everything. You are not fond of this book so much so it would be really strange if you really loved this line.
    But artificial? How can it sound artificial?
    So short..
    Such simple words..
    And a fragile girl.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I however was completely blindsided Jean; but my questions would be the same as Letti's. Nothing in W&G struck me as being artificial that I can recall.
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    I felt like it made sense for what we were dealing with. Susan (for all her charms) was a country girl in the end and the dialog between them seemed to fit for me.

    I believe the purpose of the line was a..."all of my eggs in Rolands basket" kind of thing--and that sounds sexual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannah View Post
    I always thought the line was more playful then deep seated in love, but it's still charming.

    I kinda' took it as being both playful and deep seated in love simultaneously.
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    Nikolett and Brice: I am not ignoring your question, but am incapable of any thinking or writing now; will reply when I am back to normal (maybe even in a special thread, at a new angle; I have an idea but can't develop it now, sorry!)

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    Nevermind, Jean. Take your time, my friend.

    Roland would have understood.

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    The line never even struck me as being shallow or artificial I must say. Indeed struck me as quite sincere in the context? Look forward to your arguments Jean. (Hope things are progressing for you!)
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    I've tried to make my point in this new thread. Of course, it is a strictly personal feeling, but it seems to me that when King concentrates on things other than love, his love stories come out great, true, and out of the ordinary; when, however, he decided to try his hand at writing romance, all he managed to do was a collection of cliches and common places. The character of Susan, the whole development of the story, and most everything they say to each other read to me as if the author was determined to write a "real" love story, quite like the ones written by "real" romance authors; and, since he played in someone else's field, he screwed it up. The same way, the line in question seems to me fabricated in accordance with the laws of those bona fide love stories. It's so perfect and so meant to be remembered (as I said, like Kit Kat jingle) that it could hardly be uttered by a girl in love - rather, put in her mouth by an author of mediocre commercial romantic novels.

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    I see your point Jean. I really do. But this love doesn't seem to be perfect to me. Moreover... And I don't feel King wanted it to be perfect. I don't say you are not right. Maybe you see the things well but my feelings about it are so damn different.
    It's such a simple story.
    No perfect.
    Faint in the past.
    Hot like hell but failed by human beings..

    Roland would have understood.

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    I never said perfect love. I said a "real" love story, - written in accordance with pre-existing standards, and, thus, coming out mediocre. The "perfect" part referred to the line in question, - as perfect as any jingle you can hear on television during a commercial break.

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    Maybe I am just too simple, Jean.

    Sometimes very poor and cheaps jokes can make me laugh and poor and cheap movies can make me cry. I would like to say that... there are so many cheap stories movies with cheap loves.. but sometimes you can find something in them. Something very important and valuable to you. And I think it's natural that others can't see it.

    Maybe Susan and Roland's love isn't unique or so damn true...
    Spoiler:
    maybe if they could have stayed together
    they would have cried at each other after one year and Roland would have shut the door angrily at Susan one day and he would have never come back..
    But I still say there was something very true and deep between them during those days.
    That's how I feel.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    I am sorry, I never liked that line. I always found in it something as artificial as the whole love story depicted in W&G. Moreover, it sounds like a jingle out of a TV commercial. Time to make the coffee, time to make the donuts. Do the dew. Have a break, have a Kit Kat.
    This is how I've always felt about the line and the general sappy love story of W&G. However, I am currently re-listening to the book, paying particular attention to the Roland-Susan parts. I feel a re-evaluation is in order...so far though, my thoughts have not changed.

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    I totally agree with Letti--to me, the line was great because its not a purely physical thing.

    "if you love me, then love me" means so much more than "fuck me now"
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    Well considering how hot Susan was, I like the "fuck me now" interpretation.

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    men...

    Roland would have understood.

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    humans...
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    To be fair...it is the kind of thing teenagers can come out with - more so boys (in my experience) when they wanted to get in your pants and figured they'd have more chance if they said "lets make love" rather than "fancy a shag?"...personally I preferred the bad boys...but I'm no Susan

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    You mean bad boys are more honest, huh?

    Roland would have understood.

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