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    I think he can disguise himself, with a glammer.

    The being raped when he was younger is probably there to illustrate the misery he came from and how his mindset was warped.
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    Well, Glammer was his calling card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruki View Post
    apparently flagg started out as some regular farmboy in delain. i have no clue how he ended up being this big badass. he says people mistook him for maerlyn, i've wondered if maybe mearlyn was his mentor or something but i have no reason to think that. i've also wondered how the hell being raped led to him being all evil.
    I am seriously not paying enough attention - where do you find that out?

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    I believe it was mentioned in book 7--there was a bit of back story before the end. But I may be mistaken on that.
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    The rape is mentioned in DT#7.
    He who had run away at thirteen, had been raped in the ass by another wanderer a year later and yet had somehow withstood the temptation to go crawling back home. Instead he had moved on towards his destiny.
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    This is written just before Mordred consumed Flagg

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    yeah, flagg uses glammers. i just mentioned that old theory of mine because it's one example of me trying so hard to explain him to myself, something i probably shouldn't do because i think he's meant to be a bit of a mystery. i just can't help feeling like if i was paying more attention i'd have him all figured out.

    okay, almost sorta back to the subject of It...
    anyone else a little curious about why all the aliens in king's books attack the same area? It came in a spaceship, haven is pretty close to derry, and wasn't hole in the wall near there as well? they're all seperate events, different types of aliens. it's probably just that king writes a lot about maine, but sometimes i wonder if they're being sent there for some purpose, or drawn there by some force.

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    You can say that:
    -IT came in a spaceship that probably seemed like a meteor, based on the description of all IT has seen in the book.
    -Haven is a defined hot spot in the SK Universe.
    With those in mind, I believe somewhere it was mentioned that Derry was a level of the Tower itself. It may have been in Insomnia.
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    Yeah, I have wondered about that Ruki..I don't have a good answer though heheh

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    Thanks for answering my question I've re-read all the DT books except 7 and I'd totally forgotten that part.

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    i remembered seeing that somewhere, didn't know where though. i've only been through insomnia one time, looks like i need to read it again.

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    So if this Derry as a Level thing rings true, it would make sense that its more open to Prim beings. I may be wrong again, but I thought it was said that Derry was almost surrounded by the Deadlights--which would make it easy for things stuck in the Prim to cross through, especially the Red King.
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    hey hold on

    okay so in the fourth comic we heard about maerlyn's laughing mirror. the shards of it got into every level of the tower, infecting every world. if derry is one level of the tower that would mean every shard of the mirror that got into that level are all in that one town. that would totally explain major levels of spookiness going on right around there, in other worlds the shards wouldn't all be concentrated in one spot like that.

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    And we may have our answer. Ruki, I forgot about the mirror!
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    now i'm wondering if that might have something to do with flagg as well. it says the shards got into some people and distorted the way they see and feel things. that could explain how the need for revenge you mentioned before would turn him into a monster that wants to destroy everything good.

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    Well, that makes good sense. We should write a pamphlet on this.
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    "See the TURTLE of enormous girth!
    On his shell he holds the earth.
    His thought is slow but always kind;
    He holds us all within his mind.
    On his back all vows are made;
    He sees the truth but mayn't aid.
    He loves the land and loves the sea,
    And even loves a child like me."
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    You dare not."

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    Thass the poem.
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    Im going to start another thread about the Guardians of the Portals because they always interested me
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    Dandelo has always put me in mind of the Library Policeman, they seem to share similar traits as well. (Chech out 4 Past Midnight if you dont know what I'm talking about) Maybe IT and the aforementioned got it on at some point

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    Maybe the library policeman was the wanderer who raped flagg as a kid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZoNeSeeK View Post
    Maybe the library policeman was the wanderer who raped flagg as a kid?
    I hope not. Or we'd have to blame everything on extraterrestrial insectile forms of life, which just doesn't seem right.

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    *contacts James Cameron for the movie option*
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    :radioactive: IT - Let's discuss! *SPOILERS*

    OK, I'm a few days late with the Book of the Month, but let's discuss IT!
    (I know we have an IT thread already, I'll merge them at the end of the month!)


    Big book, BIG read... I may get crucified, but I really disliked the ending. I think it should have ended right after Pennywise is defeated and not dragged on afterwards.

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    Lots of comments!! One of my favourite King books ever! I will post more tomorrow though, I've got to go and cook tea before I slink off to the pub

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    I look forward to your drunken replies, dark!
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