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    the above idea is for me personally the most abominable version I can imagine: Roland being a toy of forces (good, evil, Ka, whatever). Horn in this situation doesn't stand for anything but one of similar unnecessary things meant primarily for teasing him on and on; Roland himself is, as R of G said, a mythological figure - something immeasurably smaller than man, in other words (however titanic, monstrous, magic, etc). The story becomes dehumanized; all questions of redemption/salvation/free will become superfluous; Ka is left to play its foul games with its pawns, and the whole thing starts reminding of the world according to the people of Lud: history happens as demons beat their drums.

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    I always saw roland opening that door for the final time and seeing...

    Pillars and sheets of thick clouds, his lost friends and loved ones floating amongst them; and a bright white light shining from behind them. They would all step foreward and welcome him to the clearing at the end of his path. He would then look up to see a huge intricate turtle floating above them all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    history happens as demons beat their drums.
    Yep. Thats how it is.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    I still do like the idea that Roland walks through the door and sees his precious Susan Delgado, bare breasted in all her glory., waiting for him.

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    I still like the idea of Roland walking through the door and ending up confused in my apartment...

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    The way I see it whenever he reaches the door whenever he climps up the Tower the loop will restart. He can do anything... he must give up the Tower to reach the clearing. He must choose something else... maybe Jake... maybe after he and Patrick vanishes the CK he must put his guns at the bottom of the Tower and go away.
    I don't know but if he opens that door the loop starts again. That's how I see it right now.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I know, but I still think it would be funny if he ended up somewhere random... to see that look on Roland's face would be priceless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker View Post
    I know, but I still think it would be funny if he ended up somewhere random... to see that look on Roland's face would be priceless...
    You foxy lady...

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    The way I see it whenever he reaches the door whenever he climps up the Tower the loop will restart. He can do anything... he must give up the Tower to reach the clearing. He must choose something else... maybe Jake... maybe after he and Patrick vanishes the CK he must put his guns at the bottom of the Tower and go away.
    I don't know but if he opens that door the loop starts again. That's how I see it right now.
    But the thread is about if he finishes the loop. I know lots of folk don't think it will ever end, I maybe one of them actually. But I am curious what would he see if the loop ends and is able to walk through the final door.

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    If his loop and chasing could end at that very door (or at the other side of that door) he would open it and he would find millions of roses, that sing his name "Roland, gunslinger". But there wouldn't be a Tower just him and the roses. He could see and hear his friends in the roses. He would get all the answers he would see all the loops he would get back all his lost memories and suddenly he would feel incredibly old, wise and foolish at the same time. He would fall down and he would let his body give up he would close his eyes and he could hear that the roses are singing with all the lost friends and lovers' voices... "Roland, gunslinger, you could stand and be true. Come to me." He would close his eyes and he would find his peace.
    He could be free first time in his life.

    I know it's not too original but that how I would imagine it.

    Yeah, but because I don't think he can find his peace at the other side of that door I don't think it can happen but if he could... I think something like I wrote about could wait for him there.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    If his loop and chasing could end at that very door (or at the other side of that door) he would open it and he would find millions of roses, that sing his name "Roland, gunslinger". But there wouldn't be a Tower just him and the roses. He could see and hear his friends in the roses. He would get all the answers he would see all the loops he would get back all his lost memories and suddenly he would feel incredibly old, wise and foolish at the same time. He would fall down and he would let his body give up he would close his eyes and he could hear that the roses are singing with all the lost friends and lovers' voices... "Roland, gunslinger, you could stand and be true. Come to me." He would close his eyes and he would find his peace.
    I know it's not too original but that how I would imagine it.
    Now that is the post I wanted to get from you Letti-dear. That description is fantastic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    If his loop and chasing could end at that very door (or at the other side of that door) he would open it and he would find millions of roses, that sing his name "Roland, gunslinger". But there wouldn't be a Tower just him and the roses. He could see and hear his friends in the roses. He would get all the answers he would see all the loops he would get back all his lost memories and suddenly he would feel incredibly old, wise and foolish at the same time. He would fall down and he would let his body give up he would close his eyes and he could hear that the roses are singing with all the lost friends and lovers' voices... "Roland, gunslinger, you could stand and be true. Come to me." He would close his eyes and he would find his peace.
    I know it's not too original but that how I would imagine it.

    Yeah, but because I don't think he can find his peace at the other side of that door I don't think it can happen but if he could... I think something like I wrote about could wait for him there.
    Damn, just..damn. Reading this actually got me a little choked up.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    Letti, thank you for that image. It just made my morning.



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    Ohhh... thank you, my friends.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Ayuh, well stated.

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    Again, like in the recent case of TerribleT and his question about murder - a description in non-religious terms of what is for me a perfectly Christian idea (Roland definitely dies and goes to Heaven) is given. Thank you love.

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    That was beautiful, Letti

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    If his loop and chasing could end at that very door (or at the other side of that door) he would open it and he would find millions of roses, that sing his name "Roland, gunslinger". But there wouldn't be a Tower just him and the roses. He could see and hear his friends in the roses. He would get all the answers he would see all the loops he would get back all his lost memories and suddenly he would feel incredibly old, wise and foolish at the same time. He would fall down and he would let his body give up he would close his eyes and he could hear that the roses are singing with all the lost friends and lovers' voices... "Roland, gunslinger, you could stand and be true. Come to me." He would close his eyes and he would find his peace.
    He could be free first time in his life.

    I know it's not too original but that how I would imagine it.

    Yeah, but because I don't think he can find his peace at the other side of that door I don't think it can happen but if he could... I think something like I wrote about could wait for him there.


    Well that's how I pictured the ending occurring before I even found tdt.net or tdt.com... So it just means you and I think alike!

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    Which one of you posted that fanfic story rewiriting the end?
    That was nice, did you read it?

    The answer is within

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    The way I see it whenever he reaches the door whenever he climps up the Tower the loop will restart. He can do anything... he must give up the Tower to reach the clearing. He must choose something else... maybe Jake... maybe after he and Patrick vanishes the CK he must put his guns at the bottom of the Tower and go away.
    I don't know but if he opens that door the loop starts again. That's how I see it right now.
    I believe similar: that he must 1) cry off or 2) save the Tower for selfless reasons and be invited in (so to speak).

    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    If his loop and chasing could end at that very door (or at the other side of that door) he would open it and he would find millions of roses, that sing his name "Roland, gunslinger". But there wouldn't be a Tower just him and the roses. He could see and hear his friends in the roses. He would get all the answers he would see all the loops he would get back all his lost memories and suddenly he would feel incredibly old, wise and foolish at the same time. He would fall down and he would let his body give up he would close his eyes and he could hear that the roses are singing with all the lost friends and lovers' voices... "Roland, gunslinger, you could stand and be true. Come to me." He would close his eyes and he would find his peace.
    He could be free first time in his life.


    But if it has to end with opening the door... what she said.
    It'll take a lot more than words and guns,
    A whole lot more than riches and muscle.

    The hands of the many must join as one.
    And together we'll cross the river.

    Puscifer, "The Humbling River"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolands_Father View Post
    I always saw roland opening that door for the final time and seeing...

    Pillars and sheets of thick clouds, his lost friends and loved ones floating amongst them; and a bright white light shining from behind them. They would all step foreward and welcome him to the clearing at the end of his path. He would then look up to see a huge intricate turtle floating above them all.


    Go figure.
    ......i usually don't do this but----*SLAP*. I hope you aren't in the creative writing field.

    I think death is the most likely choice(but then he could choose to end the cycle whenever he wants). However, there is also the possibility of Roland becoming completely non-existent in life, death, heaven, hell--whatever.
    I wouldn't mind seeing the door opening on the New York where the rest of his ka-tet resides(with the takuro spirit and nozz-ala).

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    Yes, that would also be a very "happy" ending...Roland reuniting with his "tet" in other New York.

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    My two cents.

    After entering the door Roland sees himself as the teenager he was on that day with Marten and his mother. Knowing what to do he wishes to go back to that day. I always felt (it is also stated in the book I think)that day was the key moment.

    Imagine Roland had never encountered Marten and his mother.
    It may sound weird, but I think Roland would be way more happier with a life inside the walls of Gilead and fighting not knowing they would lose the war even though they would won the battles. Not knowing about his unfaithfull mother and his doomed world.
    Roland would be happy, I have no doubt about it. He would live a more human and simple life. This would be the happy ending for Roland in my mind.

    For myself I can't imagine a worse ending then this.
    But yeah it would work for Roland.
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