Calvin Tower

[lisaki]

You said that

Spoiler:

Roland and Eddie told the old guys to go and save Callahan when they visited them to write and get the contract about the rose and the vacant lot

I can't remember that, are you sure? (probably I didn't notice, it isn't important anyway...)
Thank you

[Sickrose]

I voted hardly bearable he was such an stubborn prick! It was this that annoyed me the most especially when I was wanted the tet back together and they had to arse about sorting out Calvin because he wasnt very good at staying hidden.

That said not everyhting for Roland's tet can and did go right so maybe it is fitting!

[Letti]

You said that

Spoiler:

Roland and Eddie told the old guys to go and save Callahan when they visited them to write and get the contract about the rose and the vacant lot

I can't remember that, are you sure? (probably I didn't notice, it isn't important anyway...)
Thank you

You are right.
I re-read that part and neither Eddie nor Roland told them to do so. Eddie mentioned the ring, he asked if Aaron had a ring with 'Ex Libris' on it so he might have given Aaron the idea to buy it but in fact they had never told the two men to save Callahan.
So I guess it was accidental. Or ka. Whichever you prefer.

[lisaki]

You are right.
I re-read that part and neither Eddie nor Roland told them to do so. Eddie mentioned the ring, he asked if Aaron had a ring with 'Ex Libris' on it so he might have given Aaron the idea to buy it but in fact they had never told the two men to save Callahan.
So I guess it was accidental. Or ka. Whichever you prefer.

I prefer the Ka explanation, but I believe that Stephen King just forgot to tell us...
Or... they might have told

Spoiler:

Johh Cullum when they had the convertation about the TET corporation in DTVII. We don't "hear" everything they say, just a summary from Cullum by the end of it.

[Letti]

You are right.
I re-read that part and neither Eddie nor Roland told them to do so. Eddie mentioned the ring, he asked if Aaron had a ring with 'Ex Libris' on it so he might have given Aaron the idea to buy it but in fact they had never told the two men to save Callahan.
So I guess it was accidental. Or ka. Whichever you prefer.

I prefer the Ka explanation, but I believe that Stephen King just forgot to tell us...
Or... they might have told

Spoiler:

Johh Cullum when they had the convertation about the TET corporation in DTVII. We don't "hear" everything they say, just a summary from Cullum by the end of it.

Forgot to tell us?! In this case there are TONS of things SK forgot to tell us and if he hadn't forgotten to tell us the saga would contain 24 books. (I wouldn't mind it a bit.)

[lisaki]

Forgot to tell us?! In this case there are TONS of things SK forgot to tell us and if he hadn't forgotten to tell us the saga would contain 24 books. (I wouldn't mind it a bit.)

Well not 24... but 19 books maybe? Yeah I wouldn't mind at all

[Myste]

Give me 19 books pleez!! Wouldn't mind a bit

[Jean]

19, none of the 12 we're regrettably missing any shorter than The Waste Lands or DT7... put together...

[Wuducynn]

I liked him in The Wastelands when Jake first met him. But, gods, I wanted him to die in SoS.... wasn't he in WotC too? Yeah, that's when i stopped liking him. I didn't even bother to feel bad for him that Kind turned him into a selfish prick. I just started to dislike him.

I largely agree with this. He was a very charming character in the Waste Lands and a friend to Jake in the few minutes they were together in the shop. It was a shame in some ways that he turned into a greedy old man, yet most understandable too. He was infuriating, but I never stopped liking him altogether.

I think under normal circumstances Calvin was probably a nice guy although obsessive about books but most who met him would just see the laid back gentleman that Jake first ran into in The Wastelands. Later we saw the other side of him when he was being cornered and scared to death by the bad choices he had made in his life which in turn brought out the worst in him.

[Letti]

I liked him in The Wastelands when Jake first met him. But, gods, I wanted him to die in SoS.... wasn't he in WotC too? Yeah, that's when i stopped liking him. I didn't even bother to feel bad for him that Kind turned him into a selfish prick. I just started to dislike him.

I largely agree with this. He was a very charming character in the Waste Lands and a friend to Jake in the few minutes they were together in the shop. It was a shame in some ways that he turned into a greedy old man, yet most understandable too. He was infuriating, but I never stopped liking him altogether.

I think under normal circumstances Calvin was probably a nice guy although obsessive about books but most who met him would just see the laid back gentleman that Jake first ran into in The Wastelands. Later we saw the other side of him when he was being cornered and scared to death by the bad choices he had made in his life which in turn brought out the worst in him.

I totally agree.
It's like marrying someone... to know someone or to live with them... totally different stories.
I think Calvin was liked by many people because they didn't see the dark side of his greediness. The people who met him in the bookshop met a gentlemen who respected and loved books.
I think I would have liked him, too. I miss such shop assistants from my life.

[Sickrose]

I think under normal circumstances Calvin was probably a nice guy although obsessive about books but most who met him would just see the laid back gentleman that Jake first ran into in The Wastelands. Later we saw the other side of him when he was being cornered and scared to death by the bad choices he had made in his life which in turn brought out the worst in him.

This has made me reasses my opinion of Calvin. I guess you are right because if h hadnt insisted on pushing his books through the door the

Spoiler:

Pere would not have seen Salem's Lot

Plus he was nice to Jake and I cant really expect him to stand and be true like the gunslingers! Maybe not so much of a prick.

[Brice]

Just pray the world(s) never require me to lose my books.

[JameseyLefebure]

My thoughts on this are that it just wasn't something that King thought of doing at the time. HOWEVER, heres my personal take on it.

The trip through the doorways has been shown to be very, very traumatic for people that arn't part of Roland's Tet (see Jack Andolini). Given Tower's ...wimpish nature... it can be assumed that his psyche might not have survived the travel from New York to Doorway Cave.

There's also the distinct possibility that Ka wouldn't have allowed them to take him through the door, and (consider this) bringing him into Roland's world would have given the Red King plenty of opportunity to simply kill him and take him out of the picture.

Also, remember that Tower saves Callahan after Mr.Dean saves him from the mob. Between this moment and the battle with the Wolves, a *huge* amount of time passes in the keystone world. Although Callahan is in the story at this time, the fact that Tower wasnt there to save him would create a paradox in which The Father simply winks out of existance.

Hope these ideas are helpful!

- Calvin is the keeper of the Rose in Keystone New York. It is very likely that, had he entered the door, it would have taken him from the true line that his fathers

WOW!! You've just put everything I was thinking into words! lol I agree with the above! And don't forget - if they took him through the door then Black 13 would have been able to get to him as would the voices in the cave - i think simply - his mind wouldn't have been able to handle going through the doors.

Jamesey
xxx

[Sickrose]

Calvin probably woulndt have gone through the door anyway. Eddie would have had to drag him through resisting all the time and he wouldnt have taken any heed of the dangers in the Calla and ended up killed. The Gunslingers had a lot to deal with in the Calla and Calvin would have been a major hindrence. He wouldnt have been happy with his books being left in the cave and would have tried to make them take them somewhere maybe?

Although, I think Anjerith hits the nail on the head. Calvin needed to be able to save Callahan and we dont know the chain of events which lead up to him doing this. Rather than ust a last minute decision it could be a whole host of things which lead up to him taking that action which he needed to be in Keystone world to experience.

[Letti]

Calvin probably woulndt have gone through the door anyway. Eddie would have had to drag him through resisting all the time and he wouldnt have taken any heed of the dangers in the Calla and ended up killed.

Exactly my first and second thought.

Anyway the question is very good.