Oh man, here we go. I'm a fuck fan too, but I think it loses all effectiveness if used too often.
Oh man, here we go. I'm a fuck fan too, but I think it loses all effectiveness if used too often.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
And becomes ineffectual or just crude?
Just crude imo. I hear people today using it as every other word and I think it wipes away a bit of its luster.
Kind of like a pretty girl who went whore.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
Eh, for me it's not so much about effect as much as it's just a part of my vocabulary.
Not a bad thing by any stretch, just not for me.
And I'm no prude, believe me.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
"Fuck it Dude, let's go bowling".
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Well, I've got to be more selective about where/when I use it. But I have to say, last night I was at the pub with a friend who swears alot, but who's new girlfriend doesn't swear at all and it was pretty weird. He wasn't swearing because of her, and I was so aware of how many times I said "fuck" or "fucking", mind you...the more I drank the more I purposely said it. I hate when people feel they have to change for a partner.
I guess I REALLY must be the only The Big Lebowski fan on this message board...
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
If it were just me and you...then yes, you would be.
The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket
The more you drink the funner you get.Originally Posted by Darkthoughts
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
I hear that alot
(I've never seen The Big Lebowski)
Ohhhhhhhhhh maaaaaaaaan...get thee to a video store!(I've never seen The Big Lebowski
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
I use 'fucking' quite a bit in normal conversation, it's just something I'm used to. I know (eg. in the office) some people think it's over the top..... but fuck 'em I say!
Sometimes I do try to rein it back a bit though, I know it can be a bit coarse at times.
Fucking Numenorean's...
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Ok I'm glad to see this convo is going so well. But are we all in general agreeance that there is at least something about these words that makes them only acceptable in a certain setting? Because Lisa you said that you don't use the word fuck in front of your children. If it isn't a bad word (since there are no such things) then why do we not want children to talk that way?
Human kind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one and only truth.
I personally would be very sad if we really "agreed" there were no bad words. This way we would immediately kill a whole linguistical realm, a great part of verbal (and any other) culture: euphemisms, risque usage, dubious puns, ambiguous jokes, art of subtle hinting and balancing on the verge of obscenity, possibility to crush opponent underfoot, colorfulness of "strong" language - I could go on, because the ways of using "bad" words as "bad" are inexaustible. And what do we gain? One-two-three more common, bland words, some more socially acceptable synonyms for "penis", "vagina" and "intercourse"? Come on people, the loss is too heavy for such imperceptible gain.
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...just because we came in and took over from all those bad dark-type-humans, and wanted to rule the place!
Jean - great post!
Sorry, Jean, but I for one DO believe there are no bad words. In my case I lose nothing by this though because very few people agree with me, so the effects of the words are the same.
I for the most part don't care if children use "bad words". The main reason they use them anyhow is because they are taught that they are bad. My only concern is that they use them well, as they should learn how to use ANY words well. Now, I wouldn't actively teach them those words because they also must learn proper context and social acceptability. Sadly, at some point they're probably going to have to conform to someone else's idea of what is acceptable language, but I am indifferent to a properly used curse word.
Jean, I think I agree with you a little, but I believe that words are more inappropriate for certain places/audiences, even if not meant maliciously than they are actually bad. Because if the intent is what makes a word hurtful then there isn't anything wrong with the word itself. But I don't cuss around my family, maybe my cousins, but definitely not parents, aunts, ect. Firstly, because they would be offended even if my intent was no to. Secondly because they're not the audience for that kind of language. There is a time and place for everything I think.
Human kind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one and only truth.
I actually kind of like this, but teaching social acceptability would probably be a lil difficult i think... especially for younger children. But i definitely agree that children only use the words because they are taught that they are bad.
Human kind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one and only truth.
I actually kind of like this, but teaching social acceptability would probably be a lil difficult i think... especially for younger children. But i definitely agree that children only use the words because they are taught that they are bad.
As with anything else children learn, they each have their own maturity level and can learn at their own pace. They do anyway. I just think actively teaching them that words are bad encourages them to use them. True, they may not use them around you, but as with you not cursing in front of your parents they can begin to learn things like respect and consideration quite young.
Edit: I have no kids though, so I can't say I'd never change my mind, but generally I think words are innocuous.
Nope, I just hadn't read this thread yet. Great film.
As far as the topic at hand goes, I pretty much agree with what Brice has said so far.
And as is typical, I agree with both sides.
Suffice it to say I believe there is a time
and a place for all launguage. (with the
possible exception of cruelity as sport)
The answer is within
all matter is energy, all energy is GOD
I think it also depends on the way you use language around your children.
I have a friend who is a mother of 5 children who swears constantly and regardless of the situation. All her kids are really great, but when they get cross or frustrated they swear like troopers even at school and are regularly sent to the principles office because of it.
I swear when I'm at the pub/with friends/at work and if I have an accident in the house I'll often exclaim "Shit!", but I know I don't swear often at home because if the kids hear me they'll go "Muuuuum!!!"
I know they also understand the context of swearing and when not to use it - for example, my 3 year old was watching tv when his favourite cartoon Ben 10 came on. He has a Ben 10 watch, which he jumped up and started frantically searching for. He looked EVERYWHERE and when he eventually found it, he put it on, hopped on the sofa and...the cartoon ended! He thumped the sofa and just exclaimed "Shit!" Then he turned to me and said, "I wouldn't say that at Grandma's."
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