Thank you so much.
A deep faithful one.
Hot but light.
I don't understand this question...
Thank you so much.
This is good.
I realize now that once I, too, felt it to be true love - when I was retelling the story to my mother, and wanted her to feel W&G was in no way worse than the other books. I wanted her to live through that love as true and big and undying, and I told the story as if it was so, disregarding what I actually thought of it; and you're right, it was a much better experience... in fact, it was great...
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It was fantastic. I even thought I overdid it a little and W&G would become her favorite book... no, everything's all right: every book is her favorite, with some prevailing of Wolves.
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Isn't it? Wonders never cease.
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think it was a deep and faithful love. I think the tragedy is that they didnt have chance to see if it would have lasted.
***SPOILERS ON TOME 4***
Well, you can take the question backward: what if it wasn't true love? Then a lot of things would lose their strengh. Like when Roland goes through the glass for the first time and sees the Tower. He decides this would be his destiny, he chose the Tower inspite of Susan. If their love was just about playing "love me" in the bushes, this moment would be nearly casual: "Of course you choose the Tower dude, saving the world is something you do once whereas girl-riding is available in every town!". Yet this moment has to be terrible and powerfull. To make it possible, you have to think of true love between them.
The same when Susan dies, if Roland wasn't deeply in love with her he wouldn't be so destroyed on the way back to Gilead. And of course the souvenir of Susan he keeps during the whole first tome wouldn't be that imporant. And if Susan wasn't that important (which is false) Jake wouldn't be either...
The whole 4th tome, the so terrible moment when Susan is brought to the bonfire and all the rest would matter so much if their love wasn't true, deep and intense.
it was the kind of love i'd wish for myself, nuff said. its the kind of love i dream about
I think it was a true love, but it was not a deep love. More because it didn't have the time to deepen. Many loves are hot and true and at first they feel deep, but it isn't until much later, years later, that we understand how very shallow the pool really was in the beginning before we could finish each others thoughts, much less sentences. Roland was devastated by the loss of what could have been, not the loss of what was. This doesn't lessen the loss to the person who feels it, but there is a subtle difference between the two. The loss of what might have been is painful and devastating when it happens, and you do carry those feelings with you for a long time, but you have not lost yourself. You lost the hope of what could have been. And maybe it's because my feelings are biased, but I have experienced both the loss of what could have been and the loss of what was. In the loss of what was, you lose yourself as well. It is a devastation that surmounts all other feelings. Duty, honor, even the Tower are all lost to the devastation. The only thing that may remain is the love that was shared, and even that is not certain as it can be washed away in the horror.
Roland continued. It was not easy and he had to be helped along the way by his friends. That speaks for the love he had for Susan, but he retained himself the whole time. I say again that it was a true love, but not yet a deep one.
Margaret Emmie Mackey Catoe, you are, have been, and always will be my soulmate, and I love you.
Con todo mi corazon, por todo de mis dias. And I always will, in this life and into the next.
August 2, 1947 - September 24, 2010
The poll asks : What was their love like?
Since I don't really like Susan, at all, I'd have to say that to me, their love was just very immature.... and that's not an option in the poll!!
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...And The Gunslinger Followed.
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DO you mean that you don't think that it was even hot?
Beyond the poll, anyway, what about this? --
Is Roland's whole problem merely that, after the fact, he can't take the blow to his ego that'd come in saying that he never really loved her?
The Man In Black Fled Across The Desert...
...And The Gunslinger Followed.
“I’m always on the Batman rule, sir.” - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"It is the story, not he who tells it." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
Remember, Remember, The Fifth of November, The Gunpowder, Treason, and Plot.
In that case, his problem might be that he has never liked himself, and God only knows if he should.
Su... oh my... so damn great to see you. :longDTbuddyhug:
Well, I can see why so many of you don't like Susan but for my part I can understand why Roland has fallen for her. I know you think she was as deep as a puddle but I see some depth in her.
Roland would have understood.
I don't think Roland was after depth at his age and in his state of mind
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From this you'll recognize me;
1. You are way too good at keeping secrets. I am still shocked and crazily happy to see you here.
2. I guess we will always disagree on this one. I don't see Susan perfect at all. But I must admit she didn't have many negative features (or they didn't come out in the story) so her character is one of the weakest in the series.
Roland would have understood.
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!