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    We have talked about it before but I would be interested in all of your opinions and feelings.
    In your eyes was Susan and Roland's love deep and true or was it a light and hot love between two young people who hardly knew each other?

    The way I see and feel it it was a true love with deep and faithful feelings.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I think it was true. Its amazing how Ka brings people together and if The Good Man hadn't started his campaign, Pat would not have been killed, the books would have been right and Roland would have never came there.

    (because I am certain that Steven and the rest knew something was up there)

    I also believe that true love is established in a moment--between two people who are destined to meet.
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    I voted for true.

    Spoiler:
    If it was a fling, I doubt Roland would have been as scarred as he was by her death. She would have eventually faded to just another face that happened to die because she has associated with him, you know? As it is, though, he still feels her absence.
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    maybe you wonder who was the monster that said "Hot but light" ...

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    I bet it was you Ka hater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    maybe you wonder who was the monster that said "Hot but light" ...
    Jean, you are one of the reasons I have started this thread.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I may consider changing my name for some Japanese hieroglyph meaning "The One Who Is Always Outnumbered". Seriously, though, I have some good reasons, and I'll give them tomorrow when I have a clearer head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    I may consider changing my name for some Japanese hieroglyph meaning "The One Who Is Always Outnumbered". Seriously, though, I have some good reasons, and I'll give them tomorrow when I have a clearer head.
    We cannot wait to read it.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Jean, you always have such amazing arguments. Sometimes I'm almost swayed to your side of thinking by them, too, and I'm a stubborn person Anyway, I can't wait to hear why you think it wasn't as deep as the rest of us do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjeso View Post
    Jean, you always have such amazing arguments. Sometimes I'm almost swayed to your side of thinking byt htem, too, and I'm a stubborn person

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    I may consider changing my name for some Japanese hieroglyph meaning "The One Who Is Always Outnumbered". Seriously, though, I have some good reasons, and I'll give them tomorrow when I have a clearer head.
    I was totally joking

    However, I can't wait to read your thoughts on the subject.

    I can identify with the always being out numbered though, I seriously expected to be the only one on the site that believed in fate.
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    I voted for a deep, hard, hot, sweaty, nasty, faithful one...*fans self*
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    I voted "Hot but Light" as well. I think that, given time, it might have grown to be a really deep love, but so far it was not.
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    I said hot but light.

    First loves can leave a deep scar on anyone, especially when that love is taken away the way it was in WaG.
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    I. too, said hot but light and Hannah pretty much summed up why.
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    Hot but light. If events had been different and Roland hadn't had his vision in the Rainbow about the DT, perhaps it could have grown into a deep faithful love. As soon as Roland saw the DT, Susan became secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B Rag View Post
    I voted "Hot but Light" as well. I think that, given time, it might have grown to be a really deep love, but so far it was not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hannah View Post
    I said hot but light.

    First loves can leave a deep scar on anyone, especially when that love is taken away the way it was in WaG.
    Quote Originally Posted by MonteGss View Post
    Hot but light. If events had been different and Roland hadn't had his vision in the Rainbow about the DT, perhaps it could have grown into a deep faithful love. As soon as Roland saw the DT, Susan became secondary.
    that's exactly what I was going to say.

    Their feeling may or may not have blossomed into love; the only proof of true love is time. It's all very well to fight shoulder to shoulder in the battlefield, but when the war is over, the real test of love is whether or not you're annoyed by where your second half puts his/her socks. Extremal situations breed crushes, infatuations, raging passions, whatever; true love is a phenomenon of every-day life.

    Susan-Roland was not a love story, although there was passion involved. It was a story of two kids, whose feeling was prematurely cut down by fate.

    There comes a time in any young life when a young person feels s/he must fall in love. (someone - probably La Rochefoucauld, on whom these dubious witticisms are usually blamed - said that if there was no love stories, people wouldn't fall in love so often. Questionable, of course, but there may be a grain of truth here.) This feeling doesn't even depend on its object. Good girls fall in love with total assholes, and young poets with thoughtless bitches. It's the desire to love that creates the object of first love. Like Pushkin said of Tatiana in Evgeniy Onegin: Her time has come, she fell in love.

    And, alas, Susan's willingness to die for Roland doesn't make her love any truer, either. It is easy for the young to die, that’s one of the sad paradoxes of life and the secret of youth. I also hope (or rather, I am afraid) the experience of mankind has already shown that readiness to die for a cause doesn't make the cause just.

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    I agree with that rather fantastic post Jean, but thats only because I've been with my husband for 11 years and have the benefit of hindsight.

    I'd say that to Susan and Roland at the time it was true love. Its a paradox of sorts in that we're judging true love from two different viewpoints - one being how you define the term when you are actually in that moment and the other being on reflection.

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    I said that they were because I truly believe the "love" can be established in a second between the right people.

    I fell in love with my wife after one meeting and we have been together 10 years.

    Weather they would have fulfilled the commitment is a different story but weather or not what they felt was true love? I think it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Susan-Roland was not a love story, although there was passion involved. It was a story of two kids, whose feeling was prematurely cut down by fate.
    yep.

    roland said it himself, they were fools of ka.

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    I think it was true and deep, but doomed, both of those reasons fueled by Ka.

    Just because something is short lived doesn't mean it wasn't true.

    I once met a girl who I was swept up in much like Roland was with Susan. It too was short lived, but was(is?)still the most intense and true love I have ever experienced in my life, or most likely ever will again.

    However, I don't think King is really all that good at love, or at least wasn't when he wrote WaG.
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    I think, when you're young especially, first love is the most intense and immediate love you ever feel. So at that age, and at that time, I believe for them it was true love.



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    I think that their love was true. But I also believe that anyone involved in ka-tet will experience true love, it's part of the deal. I look at the heroes in It as a perfect example...
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    Perfect post, Jean, I couldn't have said it any better myself!

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    I said that they were because I truly believe the "love" can be established in a second between the right people.

    I fell in love with my wife after one meeting and we have been together 10 years.

    Weather they would have fulfilled the commitment is a different story but weather or not what they felt was true love? I think it was.
    This is the reason that I believe in ka and true love/soul mates. I fell in love with Austin the moment I met him, and we have been together for over 5 years, lived together 1 and a half of them. But while I knew he was perfect for me and we should live our lives together, I also didn't have a deep and strong connection to him. That was something that took a lot of time and togetherness to bring about.

    A real, strong, deep love takes time. No one with a love like this would leave behind their other half for anything, in my opinion of course. Without this person in your life, you are just not complete. And I also believe that finding this person, out of all the billions of people you could potentially bump into on the planet, is something that just isn't possible without some sort of ka pushing you along.
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    ......untested by the true test of love which is time....when intense HOT love ebbs...and real love remains..

    The tragic end to one lover left a powerful mark on the one that remained...it is hard to let go of a love that does not follow its natural course.

    I think KIng Is amazing at Love.( he does protest but he is amazing)
    The love of Boy for his Da
    The love of a man a woman
    A boy and his dog
    The love of fellow man
    A father's love
    A Mother's Love
    one of my favorite quotes in DT series is one of Love....from the The Tower.
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