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    My favourite part of Joker was the unreliable narrator aspect of the film. Normally it could be a lame Shyamalanian twist, but it's established fairly early on in the film in various ways. First we see Arthur imagining himself on Murray's talk show, which is less about fame and recognition than it is about Arthur's lack of a father figure in life and since Murray is something he shares with his mother, he fantasizes about a family unit. We also see that the scenes with his neighbour were entirely delusional too, a fantasy borne out of his loneliness and need for love in his life; there's also the aspect of her being a single mother, something else that is shown on the seen on the bus where he's trying to entertain the kid, which I think helped draw Arthur to to the idea of her and establishing a family unit. We also learn that his mother was delusional as well and dreamed up an affair with Thomas Wayne so there is a real element of mental illness being passed down much like Hereditary. We also learn that his mother's mother's abusive ways early in Arthur's life resulted in Arthur having a brain injury that resulted in his laughing disorder.



    Since we're seeing the entire film from the POV of Arthur and he's delusional and story we've been given from his perspective is show to be fantasy, a case could be made for the entirety of the film to be a delusion while Arthur is in Arkham...though I think it's more a case of figuring out which elements are more likely to be authentic. I would need to watch it again to have a better grasp on what those things could be. Did the lower class of Gotham really see Joker as a hero or was that his way of glorifying his own crime in his mind? Were the Wayne's actually murdered or did he want to wish he could be powerful enough to bring about the deaths of the Gotham power couple? Did he actually appear on Murray and did he actually kill him? The lack of showing him be arrested once he's broken out by his followers begs to question how he got into Arkham...was it for all the murders? Was it just for the subway murders? Did those murders even happen? It's possible he merely got picked up for murdering his mother after learning the truth. Maybe it all really happened and the only delusions were said to be delusions and how he got into Arkham for the end isn't necessary...but the lack of that story tie really made me question everything that came before.



    Normally I'd be against such a gimmick, but this is meant to be an origin story, and it's quite possible the maniacal Joker who causes chaos in Gotham was created in Arkham Asylum. Having Joker become the Joker in a literal sense isn't nearly as important as him becoming Joker in a psychological sense.
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    If he was adopted how could his condition be hereditary from his adoptive mother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ur2ndbiggestfan View Post
    If he was adopted how could his condition be hereditary from his adoptive mother?
    Because he grew up in her delusion and his condition is a product of her abusive environment. It's more nurture than nature.
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    Aha! I now understand!
    I will buy the DVD and maybe the commentary(ies) will explain some of the hidden(?) meanings in the movie, or else just let us know how cold it was on this or that particular filming day.
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    The Batman casts Paul Dano as The Riddler



    Filmmaker Matt Reeves has found his Riddler for The Batman. Paul Dano has joined the film as the classic villain, Warner Bros. announced Thursday.

    Dano's version of the character will be named Edward Nashton, a departure from the comic books in which he goes by the name Edward Nygma. Frank Gorshin and John Astin played the villain in the 1960s TV series, while Jim Carrey played him in 1995ís Batman Forever, directed by Joel Schumacher.
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    Interesting. He's pretty versatile. Intrigued to see what he does with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
    ...Since we're seeing the entire film from the POV of Arthur and he's delusional and story we've been given from his perspective is show to be fantasy, a case could be made for the entirety of the film to be a delusion while Arthur is in Arkham...

    I saw the movie yesterday. I believe it is delusions within delusions within a delusion. The very last scene in the hallway shows us whose delusion it is.


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    The Rock though?.... really?.... :/
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    He's been championing Black Adam for like a decade, yeah.

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    Yeah but that doesn't mean he's the best fit for the role. I just can't stand him and his "acting". He's the main reason I've stayed away from... well, anything he does really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    Yeah but that doesn't mean he's the best fit for the role. I just can't stand him and his "acting". He's the main reason I've stayed away from... well, anything he does really.
    I think he's fine, I just can't see him playing a villain, and I don't want to see Black Adam turned into a good guy or a anti hero. He's a villain and should continue to be one.

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    Yeah but that doesn't mean he's the best fit for the role. I just can't stand him and his "acting". He's the main reason I've stayed away from... well, anything he does really.
    I think he's fine, I just can't see him playing a villain, and I don't want to see Black Adam turned into a good guy or a anti hero. He's a villain and should continue to be one.
    THE ROCK TILL NOT PLAY A VILLIAN. Something to do with his kids... or some shit. Member Rampage? Well Rock walked away from the script and was going to be sued by the filmmakers because they killed the ape at the end. He said he would not do it and it was sad. He made them change the final script to what it was when the ape lived. I am saying this now.. Black Adam will be a bad guy to start... then will become good. I am saying it now... only cause Rock is attached.
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    Yeah but that doesn't mean he's the best fit for the role. I just can't stand him and his "acting". He's the main reason I've stayed away from... well, anything he does really.
    I think he's fine, I just can't see him playing a villain, and I don't want to see Black Adam turned into a good guy or a anti hero. He's a villain and should continue to be one.
    THE ROCK TILL NOT PLAY A VILLIAN. Something to do with his kids... or some shit. Member Rampage? Well Rock walked away from the script and was going to be sued by the filmmakers because they killed the ape at the end. He said he would not do it and it was sad. He made them change the final script to what it was when the ape lived. I am saying this now.. Black Adam will be a bad guy to start... then will become good. I am saying it now... only cause Rock is attached.
    Honestly I wouldn't be surprised. That said I also wouldn't be surprised if this movie never got made either (even though there's a release date attached now).

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