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    Mixed feelings on some points, but overall I liked it. Teared up a few times, and couldn't understand how people in the audience were laughing. I don't care what Arthur says, his story is a tragedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
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    The vitriol against the Ghostbusters movie was because it's bad. Not because it was re-booted with female characters. Most of that backlash is a very small minority being very loud.
    I agree, but the media, the cast, and the filmmakers leapt on it as a rally cry. Now movies are ways to rally behind politically messages and to support social causes and for us to yell at each other and pick sides over vapid, Hollywood shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito
    Jesus christ, can't a movie just be a fucking movie anymore.

    No. That's not allowed. All films are about politics now and if they're not we'll make them about politics.
    I have to admit this had me actually ROFLMAO, but very sadly, Matts that last statement is all too true, Ferny!!!!

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    FUCKING SPOILERS:

    Joker is a very difficult film to talk about. It's not a fun film. I agree with a lot of what Rjeso said in the Review thread. It's ultimately a very scary and sad film (think Requiem for a Dream). Anyone that finds fun or pleasure in this film ought to be alarmed for themselves, especially if they feel vindication at the last scene with Joker and the mob. Despite the director's problematic recent statements, I appreciated the artistry on display ("enjoy" wouldn't be a proper word to use here). I grew up in New York City and lived in the scummy old apartment buildings that Arthur lives in. I've been on that awful subway car. I felt like I was back there. A lot of the scenes did genuinely scare and shock me and brought me near tears. I did feel sympathy for Arthur to an extent. It's impossible not to. His character, like Rjeso pointed out, is a condemnation of our society's handling of mental illness. It's explicitly stated in the film. You understand why he does what he does. That doesn't mean it explains why people like him in general do these types of things, but in this context it delves into some of these roots and causes.

    As far as Batman lore, I'm not even sure Arthur is The Joker. He's billed as "Joker" and as we see for the seventeenth time Bruce's parents gunned down in that alley by a rando, I don't think in this Elseworlds universe that boy grows up to be Batman actually. Or if he does, his Joker is someone else, "inspired" by what happened with Arthur's "movement". I was looking to spot some easter-egg cameos in Arkham but I didn't see any or there were none.

    Finally, this is a very good film. Phoenix's performance all but guarantees an Oscar nomination, if not a win. The cinematography was excellent, there were some breathtaking shots. Hildur's score was phenomenal, as usual, she is the queen of dark ambient cellos. Whatever the controversies, it's definitely one of the best films of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mae View Post
    FUCKING SPOILERS:

    Joker is a very difficult film to talk about. It's not a fun film. I agree with a lot of what Rjeso said in the Review thread. It's ultimately a very scary and sad film (think Requiem for a Dream). Anyone that finds fun or pleasure in this film ought to be alarmed for themselves, especially if they feel vindication at the last scene with Joker and the mob. Despite the director's problematic recent statements, I appreciated the artistry on display ("enjoy" wouldn't be a proper word to use here). I grew up in New York City and lived in the scummy old apartment buildings that Arthur lives in. I've been on that awful subway car. I felt like I was back there. A lot of the scenes did genuinely scare and shock me and brought me near tears. I did feel sympathy for Arthur to an extent. It's impossible not to. His character, like Rjeso pointed out, is a condemnation of our society's handling of mental illness. It's explicitly stated in the film. You understand why he does what he does. That doesn't mean it explains why people like him in general do these types of things, but in this context it delves into some of these roots and causes.

    As far as Batman lore, I'm not even sure Arthur is The Joker. He's billed as "Joker" and as we see for the seventeenth time Bruce's parents gunned down in that alley by a rando, I don't think in this Elseworlds universe that boy grows up to be Batman actually. Or if he does, his Joker is someone else, "inspired" by what happened with Arthur's "movement". I was looking to spot some easter-egg cameos in Arkham but I didn't see any or there were none.

    Finally, this is a very good film. Phoenix's performance all but guarantees an Oscar nomination, if not a win. The cinematography was excellent, there were some breathtaking shots. Hildur's score was phenomenal, as usual, she is the queen of dark ambient cellos. Whatever the controversies, it's definitely one of the best films of the year.
    Well, that review sure changes things for me as opposed to the review by Rjeso in the last film thread. I don't need to be bummed out or depressed when I go out to the movies. I'll likely wait until I can sit at home and watch it on PPV/HBO for the artsy type films that require deep thought process, introspection or are somewhat dour or depressing. lol Thx for that review, Mae. You've saved me $20-30 bucks!!! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
    No. That's not allowed. All films are about politics now and if they're not we'll make them about politics.
    And apparently we must revisit movies from the 80s and 90s to reveal why they are problematic by today’s standards, and why we shouldn’t enjoy them anymore. It’s for our own good.

    But I digress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
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    Jesus christ, can't a movie just be a fucking movie anymore.

    No. That's not allowed. All films are about politics now and if they're not we'll make them about politics.
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    And apparently we must revisit movies from the 80s and 90s to reveal why they are problematic by today’s standards, and why we shouldn’t enjoy them anymore. It’s for our own good.
    Hunchback Jack: Your sarcasm has been noted and you have been found to not be sufficiently "woke." You shall report to re-education camp immediately.

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    Joker for me was pure brilliance. I loved that last scene (seventeenth times or not). Leger May just be better at this than Leger. A sad, gripping and powerful film. I pray he faces the Batman someday, somehow in the DC movie world. It would be a grand thing for sure.
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    FYI I added a Spoiler tag to the subject title so feel free to use Spoilers without tags.
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    Just saw The Joker. I liked it. TBH, I don't think it was any more ore less violent then any other film that was said to be violent. I think the issue, at least in the beginning of the film is the kind of violence. I won't give anything thing away though. I think the more important issue is that the Joker character is somewhat sympathetic at one point in the film. And no matter what anybody wants to say, I believe there is a class structure built into this film. Joaquin phoenix was really good in this movie. He is going to get a nomination for sure. The "issue" I saw with the film is that it is overall a depressing film dealing with issues that people don't like to talk about. The fact that the character has "problems" and the fact that what I saw was a breakdown in the system that is supposed to support people like this as portrayed in the film is real. So I think the fact that you had a sympathetic person in the beginning of the film, and through his experiences, realizes that society casts him aside is something that might register with people who really have lived lives like that and feel marginalized. I think that is the issue. Of course, feel free to disagree with some or all of what I said. I tried my best to explain my feelings on it.
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    Saw it last night and enjoyed it. I probably didn't love it like I was hoping/thinking I would, though. I was prepared for it to be more slower paced character drama, but it was a little slower than I thought it was going to be (but never boring). I was missing more "plot stuff." Great acting, character work, score (which I really loved), and commentary on society's treatment of the mentally ill and marginalized (that line mixed with JP's delivery--"What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash?"--gave me chills. It sums up the whole movie perfectly, plus it rings so true for our society). And those last fifteen minutes were bananas in the best way possible. I'd love a sequel where the whole movie is that kind of "full-Joker" chaos.

    If I were to rate it, I'd probably give it a 7.5/10 (or 8/10, depending on how I'm feeling).
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    Arthur Fleck or A. Fleck or Affleck? Possible bad joke about Ben Affleck as Batman? Probably not but was funny to me at least.

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    I saw the film today and it's the feel-bad movie of the year! A movie that both literally and figuratively the sun does not shine upon. A dark thing made of the painful, raging and sad parts of the human experience. It is a nightmare. Something this audaciously bleak and nihilistic deserves a place in cinema history.

    But what exactly are we supposed to take away from this? The answer to that scares me a bit. There is a truth in there somewhere but one I am not sure I am grateful for knowing.

    "Hurt" is the first word that comes to me when I think about this movie and "masterpiece" is the second. It is brilliant but I do not think I ever want to see it again.

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    I quite enjoyed it. I'm probably going to write something on it later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin1958 View Post
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    FUCKING SPOILERS:

    Joker is a very difficult film to talk about. It's not a fun film. I agree with a lot of what Rjeso said in the Review thread. It's ultimately a very scary and sad film (think Requiem for a Dream). Anyone that finds fun or pleasure in this film ought to be alarmed for themselves, especially if they feel vindication at the last scene with Joker and the mob. Despite the director's problematic recent statements, I appreciated the artistry on display ("enjoy" wouldn't be a proper word to use here). I grew up in New York City and lived in the scummy old apartment buildings that Arthur lives in. I've been on that awful subway car. I felt like I was back there. A lot of the scenes did genuinely scare and shock me and brought me near tears. I did feel sympathy for Arthur to an extent. It's impossible not to. His character, like Rjeso pointed out, is a condemnation of our society's handling of mental illness. It's explicitly stated in the film. You understand why he does what he does. That doesn't mean it explains why people like him in general do these types of things, but in this context it delves into some of these roots and causes.

    As far as Batman lore, I'm not even sure Arthur is The Joker. He's billed as "Joker" and as we see for the seventeenth time Bruce's parents gunned down in that alley by a rando, I don't think in this Elseworlds universe that boy grows up to be Batman actually. Or if he does, his Joker is someone else, "inspired" by what happened with Arthur's "movement". I was looking to spot some easter-egg cameos in Arkham but I didn't see any or there were none.

    Finally, this is a very good film. Phoenix's performance all but guarantees an Oscar nomination, if not a win. The cinematography was excellent, there were some breathtaking shots. Hildur's score was phenomenal, as usual, she is the queen of dark ambient cellos. Whatever the controversies, it's definitely one of the best films of the year.
    Well, that review sure changes things for me as opposed to the review by Rjeso in the last film thread. I don't need to be bummed out or depressed when I go out to the movies. I'll likely wait until I can sit at home and watch it on PPV/HBO for the artsy type films that require deep thought process, introspection or are somewhat dour or depressing. lol Thx for that review, Mae. You've saved me $20-30 bucks!!! lol
    I hope you still see it. It's something to be seen on the big screen, I feel like. Is it a pleasant feel-good feeling? Heck no. But not all movies need to be that. Some films you see so that they disturb you.

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    https://www.cbr.com/joker-gary-glitt...ive-royalties/
    The anthem for the Joker film's iconic dancing scene has struck up some controversy over concerns about who will receive the money for the song's usage.

    As the Joker confidently dances, the film plays a song to match Joker's mood: "Rock n’ Roll Part 2" by Gary Glitter. This realization has sparked some controversy, considering the former British rock star was convicted for pedophilia. Many were concerned he would receive royalties for the song's inclusion in Joker, despite the fact he is currently serving a 16-year sentence for his crimes.

    However, the L.A. Times reports that fans can pay for their ticket to Joker guilt-free. According to a spokesperson for the U.K. company Snapper Music, Glitter will not receive the royalties for the song's use in the film, since they hold the legal rights to Glitter's recordings. Snapper released a statement, clarifying, "Gary Glitter does not get paid. We’ve had no contact with him.”

    The U.S. rights holder Universal Media Publishing Group also released a statement: "Gary Glitter’s publishing interest in the copyright of his songs is owned by UMPG and other parties, therefore UMPG does not pay him any royalties or other considerations."

    As such, one thing is clear about Joker's inclusion of "Rock n’ Roll Part 2": Glitter will not be paid for it. The song is also notorious in American sports stadiums, as well as in films and television series such as Meet the Fockers and South Park.

    Despite the controversies, Joker continues to be a success at the box office, earning $500 million worldwide in its second week.

    Directed by Todd Phillips, Joker stars Joaquin Phoenix, Robert De Niro, Zazie Beetz, Bill Camp, Frances Conroy, Brett Cullen, Glenn Fleshler, Douglas Hodge, Marc Maron, Josh Pais and Shea Whigham. The film is in theaters now.

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    I saw JOKER today. I haven't read any of the above posts yet. All I'll say at this point is 8 out of 10 and, Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mae View Post
    https://www.cbr.com/joker-gary-glitt...ive-royalties/
    The anthem for the Joker film's iconic dancing scene has struck up some controversy over concerns about who will receive the money for the song's usage.

    As the Joker confidently dances, the film plays a song to match Joker's mood: "Rock n’ Roll Part 2" by Gary Glitter. This realization has sparked some controversy, considering the former British rock star was convicted for pedophilia. Many were concerned he would receive royalties for the song's inclusion in Joker, despite the fact he is currently serving a 16-year sentence for his crimes.

    However, the L.A. Times reports that fans can pay for their ticket to Joker guilt-free. According to a spokesperson for the U.K. company Snapper Music, Glitter will not receive the royalties for the song's use in the film, since they hold the legal rights to Glitter's recordings. Snapper released a statement, clarifying, "Gary Glitter does not get paid. We’ve had no contact with him.”

    The U.S. rights holder Universal Media Publishing Group also released a statement: "Gary Glitter’s publishing interest in the copyright of his songs is owned by UMPG and other parties, therefore UMPG does not pay him any royalties or other considerations."

    As such, one thing is clear about Joker's inclusion of "Rock n’ Roll Part 2": Glitter will not be paid for it. The song is also notorious in American sports stadiums, as well as in films and television series such as Meet the Fockers and South Park.

    Despite the controversies, Joker continues to be a success at the box office, earning $500 million worldwide in its second week.

    Directed by Todd Phillips, Joker stars Joaquin Phoenix, Robert De Niro, Zazie Beetz, Bill Camp, Frances Conroy, Brett Cullen, Glenn Fleshler, Douglas Hodge, Marc Maron, Josh Pais and Shea Whigham. The film is in theaters now.

    In any other film no one would care. But people are looking for controversial things in Joker to sell ads on their website.
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    I haven't read too many reviews but I am sure this has been brought up somewhere by now. I watched a show or a documentary about John Wayne Gacy earlier this year. In it, they discussed the way he drew his clown make-up on. When he was Pogo (the name of the comedy club in Joker is pogo's) the Clown, he used very sharp edges. They talked to some real clowns that said they never use sharp lines in their make-up because it denotes evil. It was the first thing that came to my attention when seeing the previews for Joker.

    We get connections to Gacy, who abused young men and boys (the first sign of trouble from Gacy was when he molested a boy that was the son of one of his father's friend, short prison sentence and then the monster was really let loose), Arthur, who was abused as a child (possibly sexually but that isn't made explicit), the Gary Glitter song, which, we know that story and the fact that Phoenix started off life in a cult that approved of the sexual abuse of children that's since been run out of America but still exists in other parts of the world. Phoenix was three when his parents got some sense into their brains and left the cult. This is hellish layering.

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    I just read a lot of the comments, and you guys are spot on. I especially agree with can't a movie just be a movie any more. As for no, it has to be political, that's also sadly true. Even I was taken aback by a certain actor who I had no idea was in this movie (I NEVER watch the trailers), who I swore I'd never see his movies again. But I'm glad I didn't know he was in it, even though I think he's a GREAT actor, politics aside. I loved NATURAL BORN KILLERS, and I catch flies that get in my house and toss them alive out the window, so I don't think movies make people violent or anti-social or spastic or psychotic. I've read that violent movies are a good outlet for our natural tendency to aggressiveness. I think King even said that. Anyway, excuse my ramblings. I'm a terrible critic, I just know what I like and what I don't like.

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    King also took his novel, Rage, out of circulation because it was linked to several incidents of school shootings and hostage situations.

    This Stephen King Novel Will Never Be Printed Again After It Was Tied To School Shootings


    "Although King doesn’t believe his novel alone caused those four violent school shooting incidents, he regards "Rage" as a “possible accelerant” affecting people whose troubled backgrounds and psychological problems have already driven them to the brink.

    “I pulled it because in my judgment it might be hurting people, and that made it the responsible thing to do,” King wrote. 
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    I agree with what Mae and Tommy both said above. This movie was definitely not a feel good movie. It was very dark from beginning to end. And by very dark, I mean extremely dark and depressing. Joaquin Phoenix was absolutely amazing in it. He was terrifying. I'm not sure if I should feel sympathy for him, but I did. It was such a sad, tragic story. I'm also not sure if I would ever care to watch it again, but that said I do think it was a very powerful film.
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