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    I understand your point of view Woofer. This is an idea that we will just have to disagree on. I do not think that a story is going to make someone go out and do something. I do think that sometimes, something from outside our heads can give us an idea that helps us to make a decision be it for good or for bad. I think King saw his story for just that. An outside influence that he feared would help someone to make a bad decision, and he didn't want that on his conscience.

    You are right though that people like to blame what they do on other things. WE are responsible for our choices and our actions. The idea of a video game, tv show, or book being responsible for someone's actions is a fiction perpetrated upon us by defense attorneys. The people who have gone to school with the intent of killing other people made that decision. They pulled the triggers, and they are the ones responsible. Not some book or game they played.
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    Yes, exactly.

    I don't agree with King's decision, but I respect it. He had to do what he felt was right because he's the only one who has to live inside his own head.
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    I read this in Junior High, i really felt like doing the same thing numerous times...
    it's a good thing i didnt live out all my fantasies huh...

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    Just read this book, absolutely loved it!!! Great writing, I love the old SK especially as Bachman....

    Now, I am glad that I did not read it 10-15 years ago as I believe I would have extracted a completely different meaning from it, and I wouldn't have been able to understand the emotions that were being expressed by Charlie as I was feeling them myself at the time. (not the homicidal stuff or "parental abuse" stuff, mind you....just the feelings of "the man" coming down on me.)

    I completely agree with SK for pulling the book. I know that you can't blame a book for a person's doing's, but this would be the book that would allow a person to rationalize their feelings of hate and violence towards other human beings. If these people are so sick as to have the thought of causing harm to someone else, they may also me unable to differentiate between real life and "a story". Basically, if some kid was thinking about going and shooting up their school- this book may be the straw that broke the camel's back.

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    If a person is planning to go to school on a killing rampage, nothing will affect their decision IMO.

    And they are doing it for different reasons than having read Rage.
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    If we are to censure one book on this premise, does it not beg the question, should all acts of violence in literature be censured? I think not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BROWNING'S CHILDE View Post
    If we are to censure one book on this premise, does it not beg the question, should all acts of violence in literature be censured? I think not.
    IF, as in the case with Rage and it's author Richard Bachman aka SK, the book is deemed worthy of censorship by it's original author, then yes I do feel it is correct.

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    Of course, If censored by its own author. I forgot about that part. I got caught up in the argument of to censor or not to censor.
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    I don't even consider it censorship. It was released to the public as written essentially. If someone is actively pursuing a copy it's not all that hard to find. All that happened here was the author made a personal decision that he didn't feel comfortable putting it out there, so he's simply chosen not to allow furthur printings.. Limited availability doesn't equal censorship.
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    "I would just say to you as students who are supposed to be learning, as soon as that book is gone from the school library, do not walk, run to your nearest public library or bookseller and find out what your elders don't want you to know, because that's what you need to know." Stephen King 9/22/85

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    bump for Stebbins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girlystevedave View Post
    I really enjoyed the passage that he wrote about how the mind works when it begins to unravel. The difference between being sane and crazy.
    I thought it was one of the most genius and poetic things I've ever read.
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    Thanks, Jean!

    I completely agree with Jerome's (#6) post.

    This is, in my opinion, the simplest of King's novels I have read, but I find beauty in simplicity. I also enjoy dark comedy, and there's plenty of that. Having a strained-- to say the least-- relationship with my father, and being not too far removed from high school to remember most of it, this book really spoke to me. I can see why he elected to pull it from publication, but I don't agree with it; someone on the first page made the point of the move conceding that media makes monsters, which I thought was brilliant. Like that person, I don't agree with that sentiment.

    Bears: I'm curious as to why this earned your lowest of the low ranking.

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    I might have to - I don't think re-read, but at least to look through it again when I come back to answer fully; so far I only can say that every word of it sounded false to me.

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    I wish you well on your vacation and hope it does wonders for your health. That being said, Damn, really? I bought it 100%, I thought it was a very believable voice. Clearly the speaker is insane, but I thought it a very plausible teenager.

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    Hi guys, first of all:
    Happy New Year from Brazil!!

    Just finished my reading on Rage and there are several questions on my mind.
    First thing which is knocking my head is:

    “SM L DK, HOT SHIT, TOMMY '73”

    Do you guys know the meaning of this phrase? Read again trying to find any sense but can’t.
    The big problem with the phrase is the words “SM L DK” and who is “TOMMY”?

    Hugs,
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    Here's the link to The Losers Club podcast discussion of the book:

    https://consequenceofsound.net/podca...pisode-4-rage/

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    Just wondering do you think King was right in taking this out of print?

    I understand his reasoning and I can't imagine being in his position but IDK it just comes off as a bit of a slippery slope. Like if there was evidence that disturbed people were inspired by Mr. Mercedes and ended up driving their cars into crowds of people would King take action there as well?


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