+ Reply to Thread
Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4
Results 76 to 80 of 80

Thread: Did Jake know about the fall? How could he?

  1. #76
    Servant of Gan Brainslinger will become famous soon enough Brainslinger will become famous soon enough Brainslinger's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Dartford. Another borderlands place.
    Posts
    1,658
    Country
    Country Flag
    Gender
    Gender

    Default

    Whilst I understood the reason for the splitting in the characters memories I didn't really buy why the splitting would have been rectified when they both were reunited. Is it just the simple fact that their memory of each other on that previous time line was confirmed?

    As for whether or not it was the same Jake... the fact of the paradox suggests it was. However ....

    later books spoilers...

    Spoiler:
    Wolves of the Calla suggests that they are seperate Jakes.


    That being said, it could be explained to some extent by the whole quantum universe theory where seperate universes are spawned considering what decision is made. Therefore the two Jakes are now seperate, one alive, one dead, but before Roland saved Jake by killing Mort they were the same. Of course I'm not sure why the save Jake would have the memories of the other (regardless of whether or not they are the same, since he was saved before he met Roland) but that could be put down to Ka-tet and his power in the touch coming into play.

  2. #77
    Roont Matt will become famous soon enough Matt's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Parachute, Colorado
    Posts
    15,112
    My Mood
    Psychedelic
    Country
    Country Flag
    Gender
    Gender

    Default

    I think they were all different in the infinite reality of the Tower.

    Although, the idea that his body stayed in the street in the first instance is interesting...but we don't know for a fact that is true do we?
    The kindness of close friends is like a warm blanket

  3. #78
    She gave me a pen. Ves'Ka Gan is on a distinguished road Ves'Ka Gan's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Joshua Tree, CA
    Posts
    657
    My Mood
    Sneaky
    Country
    Country Flag
    Gender
    Gender

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    That makes some sense but what I am hearing is that there is no body of a young boy under the mountain?

    Somehow at the bottom of the fall he returned? Or it never happened--I'm not sure.

    However, on more reflection of the original question (because this thing about Jake poses all sorts), I do seem to remember that he "relived" it somehow. And I also seem to remember a place where he tells Roland..."you dropped me" right after they are reunited in this book.

    I'm not totally sure how it could work either but I think the question about Jakes actual death under the mountain is somehow key.
    But when Roland goes through the third door, he saves Jake from being thrown in front of the Cadillac (in some way--we know that there was issues about it not being the "right" day, but we know he didn't die under the wheels of a car).

    If he doesn't die in the streets of New York, he can't go to the Way Station, and Roland can't drop him. That's where the duality that causes Jake's insanity occurs. He remembers dying in New York and remembers all the events afterward, but his brain is arguing with him. Even in his "My Understanding of the Truth" poem, he says that Roland dropped him.

    I believe that he did die when Roland dropped him...
    YOU MUST CHILL. I HAVE HIDDEN YOUR KEYS.

  4. #79
    Traveler Asharak is on a distinguished road

    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    10

    Default

    Having just reread "The Drawing of the Three" and "The Wastelands" it’s pretty clear that it is the same Jake, it’s not really given any room for the possibility that it isn’t. And Jake (just like Roland) remembers everything from both versions of the timeline. The entire reason Roland and Jake are going insane in book 3 is that Roland saved his Jake in book 2 which is the same Jake as in book 1 and 3. There wouldn’t be a paradox otherwise.

  5. #80
    Along the Path of the Beam rico567 is on a distinguished road

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    29

    Default

    Yeah, this episode seems clear enough, given King's right to fictional license. Both Schrödinger's Gunslinger and his boy have what amount to split personalities, which King certainly spends enough time describing, presumably brought on by the original incident in The Gunslinger when Roland abandons Jake. It's driving them nuts, and they are both cured when Jake is pulled through the door into Roland's world. But nothing it said about memory, so we may believe that Jake remembers the events of both tracks of the "split" period.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 2 3 4

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts