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    Default The Great Movie Tournament - 2000s: Final

    For the ninth and final round of The Great Movie Tournament, please vote for one film you would like to win the tournament and be declared the best film of the 2000s.

    The poll will run for seven days. Discussion is greatly encouraged!

    The nominees are (please let me know if any video doesn't play for you):


    The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
    Directed by Peter Jackson

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    The Dark Knight (2008)
    Directed by Christopher Nolan

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    Funny how The Joker brings order to Gotham through his chaotic ways (even if predicated on lies and violence). The movie does play fast and loose with what's right and what's wrong in places and if really analyzed, I'm not sure what it's really trying to say. The scene with the two boats for example. Neither blows the other up seemingly disproving the Joker's idea (even though the boat with average citizens did vote to kill the prisoners but didn't want to get their hands dirty) that we would turn on each other but earlier, hordes of people, including a cop, nearly kill one man because of the hospital threat The Joker made.

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    I've never seen LOTR (yeah, yeah, I know), but can it really be better than TDK? To vote or not to vote, that is the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    Funny how The Joker brings order to Gotham through his chaotic ways (even if predicated on lies and violence). The movie does play fast and loose with what's right and what's wrong in places and if really analyzed, I'm not sure what it's really trying to say. The scene with the two boats for example. Neither blows the other up seemingly disproving the Joker's idea (even though the boat with average citizens did vote to kill the prisoners but didn't want to get their hands dirty) that we would turn on each other but earlier, hordes of people, including a cop, nearly kill one man because of the hospital threat The Joker made.

    Technically the Joker didn't bring order back to Gotham. While The Joker is responsible for limiting the mob's power and darkening the heart of Harvey Dent, ultimately it's Batman's sacrifice to save the public from learning of what Dent truly became that allowed his supposed death at the hands of Batman to make Dent a martyr for peace and justice that inspired Gotham to reform. I'd say The Joker was the impetus for bringing Batman and Dent together so that ultimate outcome could occur, but I can't really credit him with creating order through chaos.

    Funny thing though that you brought up the boat scene. I've always found The Joker in The Dark Knight to be a total hypocrite. He tells Dent that he's an agent of chaos and that he doesn't have a plan, that he's like a dog chasing after a car and he wouldn't even know what to do with it if he caught it. He seems to despise that Gordon and others are schemers and planners. Yet he consistently acts in ways contrary to those words. He comes up with convoluted plans like purposely getting captured, the hospital stuff, and the boat scenario. He says schemes are how people maintain the illusion that they have control over their little worlds while The Joker is constantly trying to also maintain control with the illusion he's just an agent of chaos. In fact, his acts are so orchestrated and exact that when he's explaining the boat scenario, he's reading his speech off a piece of paper. It's something I'm surprised no one ever talks about when it comes to Ledger's Joker. He may not technically be a hypocrite, but at the very least his whole 'agent of chaos' persona is nothing more than a misleading act he puts on for people.
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    Also I voted Fellowship of the Ring. I love The Dark Knight, but Fellowship ranks a fair bit higher on my list for the decade. The Dark Knight would probably be around 20-25 whereas Fellowship is my #10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    Funny how The Joker brings order to Gotham through his chaotic ways (even if predicated on lies and violence). The movie does play fast and loose with what's right and what's wrong in places and if really analyzed, I'm not sure what it's really trying to say. The scene with the two boats for example. Neither blows the other up seemingly disproving the Joker's idea (even though the boat with average citizens did vote to kill the prisoners but didn't want to get their hands dirty) that we would turn on each other but earlier, hordes of people, including a cop, nearly kill one man because of the hospital threat The Joker made.

    Technically the Joker didn't bring order back to Gotham. While The Joker is responsible for limiting the mob's power and darkening the heart of Harvey Dent, ultimately it's Batman's sacrifice to save the public from learning of what Dent truly became that allowed his supposed death at the hands of Batman to make Dent a martyr for peace and justice that inspired Gotham to reform. I'd say The Joker was the impetus for bringing Batman and Dent together so that ultimate outcome could occur, but I can't really credit him with creating order through chaos.

    Funny thing though that you brought up the boat scene. I've always found The Joker in The Dark Knight to be a total hypocrite. He tells Dent that he's an agent of chaos and that he doesn't have a plan, that he's like a dog chasing after a car and he wouldn't even know what to do with it if he caught it. He seems to despise that Gordon and others are schemers and planners. Yet he consistently acts in ways contrary to those words. He comes up with convoluted plans like purposely getting captured, the hospital stuff, and the boat scenario. He says schemes are how people maintain the illusion that they have control over their little worlds while The Joker is constantly trying to also maintain control with the illusion he's just an agent of chaos. In fact, his acts are so orchestrated and exact that when he's explaining the boat scenario, he's reading his speech off a piece of paper. It's something I'm surprised no one ever talks about when it comes to Ledger's Joker. He may not technically be a hypocrite, but at the very least his whole 'agent of chaos' persona is nothing more than a misleading act he puts on for people.
    Oh I don't think his plan was to bring about order at all. I think it just happened. He exposed crooked cops and basically decimated the mob. He gave Gotham a martyr in the form of Dent and a villain in the form of Batman. Now if he had not been caught, who knows how things would have gone but as it is, a false order is there by the end. A joke played on the Joker by his own actions. And somehow I imagine he would have thought that was funny.

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    I nominated both these films, so I'm not bothered which one wins.

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    LOTR is NOT better than the Dark Knight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky View Post
    I've never seen LOTR (yeah, yeah, I know), but can it really be better than TDK? To vote or not to vote, that is the question.
    You're not missing anything. I don't think I'm voting either. Neither film is anywhere near my top of the decade list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    LOTR is NOT better than the Dark Knight.

    Lord of The Rings isn't. But Fellowship of the Ring is
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    Two great films that changed their respective genres forever. I voted The Dark Knight, but I'll be happy with whichever wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    LOTR is NOT better than the Dark Knight.

    Lord of The Rings isn't. But Fellowship of the Ring is
    I loved them all BUT I liked the first the least of the three. I prefer them in reverse order actually. haha
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    I love The Dark Knight, it's my favorite super hero movie, but it's no Fellowship of the Ring. Honestly I'd probably put the entire LOTR trilogy ahead of it. But I kinda view them all as one thing, I'm never gonna just watch one of them. If I watch one I will have to watch the rest (not all at once obviously, who has time for that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky View Post
    I've never seen LOTR (yeah, yeah, I know), but can it really be better than TDK? To vote or not to vote, that is the question.
    I know you love film so I think you owe it to yourself to watch them. They're paradigm changing films that also happen to be great stories. Literally any on-screen fantasy epic afterward owes its existence to LOTR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
    Funny thing though that you brought up the boat scene. I've always found The Joker in The Dark Knight to be a total hypocrite. He tells Dent that he's an agent of chaos and that he doesn't have a plan, that he's like a dog chasing after a car and he wouldn't even know what to do with it if he caught it. He seems to despise that Gordon and others are schemers and planners. Yet he consistently acts in ways contrary to those words. He comes up with convoluted plans like purposely getting captured, the hospital stuff, and the boat scenario. He says schemes are how people maintain the illusion that they have control over their little worlds while The Joker is constantly trying to also maintain control with the illusion he's just an agent of chaos. In fact, his acts are so orchestrated and exact that when he's explaining the boat scenario, he's reading his speech off a piece of paper. It's something I'm surprised no one ever talks about when it comes to Ledger's Joker. He may not technically be a hypocrite, but at the very least his whole 'agent of chaos' persona is nothing more than a misleading act he puts on for people.
    You hit the nail on the head, Joker is a hypocrite and a schemer, BUT it doesn't matter to him. Everything is just a means to end. He assumes whatever characteristic is required to cause as much carnage as possible. That's what makes him such a great character, his kaleidoscopic persona.

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    I've never seen LOTR (yeah, yeah, I know), but can it really be better than TDK? To vote or not to vote, that is the question.
    You're not missing anything. I don't think I'm voting either. Neither film is anywhere near my top of the decade list.
    What IS at the top of your decade list?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    What IS at the top of your decade list?
    My top films would probably be Kill Bill, Pan's Labyrinth, Spirited Away, and Howl's Moving Castle. But it's tough. I was just looking through the list of films nominated and there were so many great ones in there.
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    Spirited Away definitely should've been in the later stages of the tournament. But yes I agree, here Fellowship is better and I wouldn't mind if it represented the decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    I know you love film so I think you owe it to yourself to watch them. They're paradigm changing films that also happen to be great stories. Literally any on-screen fantasy epic afterward owes its existence to LOTR.
    Yeah, it's not like I'm actively ignoring it or anything. I've seen little bits and pieces on TV. It's just that kind of high fantasy is not something I normally wouldn't seek out if I want to watch a movie. I'm sure I'd enjoy it, though. Then there's the whole should I watch the movies or read the books first? question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    Two great films that changed their respective genres forever. I voted The Dark Knight, but I'll be happy with whichever wins.
    So you're not going to hate me forever for voting for LotR? We've known each other since 2005. I'd hate for it to end over The Lord of the Rings.

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    I'm not sure if my top 10 of the decade would change since I made that list like 5 years ago or something, but it's currently...


    1. Synecdoche, New York
    2. The Pianist
    3. Lost in Translation
    4. Wall-E
    5. Mulholland Dr.
    6. Into The Wild
    7. Children of Men
    8. The Fellowship of the Ring
    9. The Wrestler
    10. The Royal Tenenbaums


    Turns out I misremembered where fellowship fell in my list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Servant View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    Two great films that changed their respective genres forever. I voted The Dark Knight, but I'll be happy with whichever wins.
    So you're not going to hate me forever for voting for LotR? We've known each other since 2005. I'd hate for it to end over The Lord of the Rings.
    Not forever, just for a little while

    Dude I can't believe I've known you for 15 years already! Shit man. I need to plan a trip out to CT soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
    I'm not sure if my top 10 of the decade would change since I made that list like 5 years ago or something, but it's currently...


    1. Synecdoche, New York
    2. The Pianist
    3. Lost in Translation
    4. Wall-E
    5. Mulholland Dr.
    6. Into The Wild
    7. Children of Men
    8. The Fellowship of the Ring
    9. The Wrestler
    10. The Royal Tenenbaums


    Turns out I misremembered where fellowship fell in my list.
    Didn't think you'd rate Wall-E that high. Honestly it's not my favorite Pixar, but it's still a decent film.

    I still need to watch SNY
    I guess we need to register you as a Lethal Weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Girlystevedave View Post
    I'm just nodding my head the whole time thinking "ok, stop now, please."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Still Servant View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    Two great films that changed their respective genres forever. I voted The Dark Knight, but I'll be happy with whichever wins.
    So you're not going to hate me forever for voting for LotR? We've known each other since 2005. I'd hate for it to end over The Lord of the Rings.
    Not forever, just for a little while

    Dude I can't believe I've known you for 15 years already! Shit man. I need to plan a trip out to CT soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mattrick View Post
    I'm not sure if my top 10 of the decade would change since I made that list like 5 years ago or something, but it's currently...


    1. Synecdoche, New York
    2. The Pianist
    3. Lost in Translation
    4. Wall-E
    5. Mulholland Dr.
    6. Into The Wild
    7. Children of Men
    8. The Fellowship of the Ring
    9. The Wrestler
    10. The Royal Tenenbaums


    Turns out I misremembered where fellowship fell in my list.
    Didn't think you'd rate Wall-E that high. Honestly it's not my favorite Pixar, but it's still a decent film.

    I still need to watch SNY

    I love Wall-E. It's such a dense film yet so simple and straightforward at the same time. It basically bucks all the typical trends of mainstream animated film. From what I know, it was the original film Pixar wanted to make way back in the early 90's, but they knew the technology wasn't there to achieve their true vision, so they sat on it until they could actually make it. I think that passion really shows through in the final product.



    And yes, you definitely have to watch Synecdoche, New York. It is my truly favourite film of all time. Watch Anomalisa too. I know you like Charlie Kaufman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    Dude I can't believe I've known you for 15 years already! Shit man. I need to plan a trip out to CT soon.
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    So my takeaway from that is we're having a party at Mike's in CT? With Doritos and pizza? And maybe some chocolate cake?
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    Hope everyone in the US had a very happy Thanksgiving! This is closing Monday evening, so get your vote in if you haven't yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky View Post
    So my takeaway from that is we're having a party at Mike's in CT? With Doritos and pizza? And maybe some chocolate cake?
    How about Doritos pizza?

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