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    :?: Why did Andy tell them...?

    Why did Andy tell the Calla folks when the wolves would come? Just to torture them?

    Roland would have understood.

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    because andy, like blaine, was a pyschopath [even for a robot]. andy delighted in the pain he would bring with his "news" about the Wolves. i don't think there's any more to it than that. andy told bc he wanted to hurt the folken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Why did Andy tell the Calla folks when the wolves would come? Just to torture them?

    I think it gave the impression to the Calla folk that he was helpful in some way..but also because he liked to torture them...what a robot.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    Good point, Matthew. I didn't think of that... but there is a lot in what you say.
    Yeah, I am sure he wanted to see them suffering.
    But it's possible he wanted to show his power as well.

    Roland would have understood.

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    i think he liked making a fake show of his power, like matthew said, to make it seem like he was useful and helping even if he knew he was not

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    Just to show his lovable, snuggly side I'm sure
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    I agree, Andy wanted to torture the folken and show his power

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    Ehhh, I can't stand that walking box.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Ehhh, I can't sand that walking box.
    I couldn't sand him either..or salt him...or pour anything on him for that matter...well maybe water.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    I guess I shouldn't post from my workplace.. I have no time to check what I write.

    Roland would have understood.

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    One thing is that Andy used his 'once-every-20-years-or-so' opportunity to give this 'vital' (ha,ha) informaion to them so that he could keep himself important to them.
    That way he was always in on their plans - so if they decided to hide 20 kids in a cellar or whatever he (& therefore the Wolves) always knew exactly where to find them.
    He would probably have known what they were up to anyway, but this way he was 100% sure to be in on the plans.
    Also he had Slightman the elder recruited as extra insurance, and was'nt it hinted that in previous generations he always had someone on the inside in the Calla?
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    I felt kind of sorry for Andy... I'm sure originally he was a very neat robot but the ravages of time, reprogramming and anti-ka took their tolls on him.

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    Before you Liz I didn't know it's possible to be "too warm-hearted" but I think you made me realise it's possible.
    Feel sorry for Andy? Incredible.

    Roland would have understood.

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    i feel as sympathetic for andy as i did for blaine, which is none. andy was a tool and a tool that rebels against it's master and delights in the torture of children is one that deserves to be removed from the toolbox. we don't know that this wasn't the purpose andy was built for and the rest just a cover. i doubt he was ever anything but the dickhead robot we met.

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    I think Andy was being used...
    I think he was reprogrammed just as the Terminators were repogrammed to help John Conner rather than kill him, but I think it was the opposite way with Andy. Originally he was a mildly annoying horoscope-bot who was reprogrammed with fiendish purposes in mind... And yes, I did feel sorry for The Terminator at the end of Terminator 2 because I felt he had surpassed his programming and became more human, just as I empathized with Data from Star trek.
    If Andy were human, I would say he was brainwashed...
    That's my theory so far at least..
    But he could very well just originally have been programmed for nefarious plots and just had the interesting little songs and ditties installed to cover up his evil plans...
    I'm not SK I do not know the answer.

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    of course he was being used, that's what tools are for. you're right, we don't know what andy was built for, so i choose to judge him solely on the actions he took during the time we saw him. i can't feel bad for him. i barely feel sympathy for slightman, certainly not for andy. you're a more sympathetic person than i, that much is for sure.

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    What R of G said.

    Andy felt that he had been pushed around far to much from the Calla folks, so he would give them the bad news, then bask in their sorrow.

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    I agree with those who say he was programmed rather than operating on his own sadistic inclinations; and the answer to the question why might also answer the question why the children were brought back.

    I think it's because no inhuman ruling wants to pose as such. Be it fascism or communism, or any other dragon demanding human sacrifices, the ideology never says, "we're tyrants, we'll rape and rob you daily because such is our desire." Everything is done for some good aim, and it is always emphasised that no excessive cruelty is ever imposed. Children are brought back, after all. We don't want anything that doesn't belong to us. We have used the kids for the sake of the Greater Good you're all unable to understand, and now here they are, you can have them, we're no robbers.

    The warning gag is even more perverted... it's to make everyone feel that nothing happens by anyone's whim, but in accordance with elaborate procedure; and procedure is enough to create appearance of something useful being done. Remember how meticulously the nazi kept their accounts of all shoes, hair, golden teeth? How much paperwork communist regimes produced? It's the same. Bureaucracy is the shield between the horrible shameless reality of a power and the victims of that power.

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    you ever gone over to a friends house to pick him/her up for a sleepover, when you arrive they say you were unannounced and they aren't ready?

    same prinicipal, although i dont see the use, he was proly just programmed to deliver the message anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    One thing is that Andy used his 'once-every-20-years-or-so' opportunity to give this 'vital' (ha,ha) informaion to them so that he could keep himself important to them.
    That way he was always in on their plans - so if they decided to hide 20 kids in a cellar or whatever he (& therefore the Wolves) always knew exactly where to find them.
    He would probably have known what they were up to anyway, but this way he was 100% sure to be in on the plans.
    Also he had Slightman the elder recruited as extra insurance, and was'nt it hinted that in previous generations he always had someone on the inside in the Calla?
    This is it.

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    I think it was because he was questioned. There was nothing in his programming against giving the information so when he was asked...he said what he knew.

    What I wonder is did he warn them the first time the Wolves came. If he didn't then after that it was just all response to the question "are the Wolves coming?"
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    Citizens of Paris... on June 13, Wehrmacht forces are entering your city. Please keep quiet and do not leave your apartments without utter necessity.

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    Awesome insight's as usual my friends....
    and Jean's spot on again too!
    This is one time I wholeheartedly
    agree, it is programming!

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    thank you Lady Linda ,

    I think I should expand on one point; I probably didn't make myself very clear, because it is not all about "looking better", as some (in another thread) seem to have understood me. By issuing warnings and meticulously returning the children, the regime creates a perfect routine procedure, which is a horrible force. In case of unexpected attack one may react unexpectedly, spontaneously, instinctively, - which would be to protect, to rebel, to revolt; but procedure paralyzes the will. It makes what happens something quite different from an act of someone's ill will directed against you or yours: it makes is part of established order of things, of how everything is in the universe, of a big implacable mechanism, - against which it's no use revolting. Evil can be evaluated in terms of "good" and "bad", but procedure lies beyond those categories.

    Few regimes in history understood the force of procedure as fully as that of the Third Reich (but most tyrannies or their instrumental organisations did, to various extents). Those files of people lead to concentration camps consisted of thousands of prisoners guarded by only a few SS with a couple of dogs. People quietly marched into camps, towards their death, into ovens.

    Wolves are coming on June 13, please keep quiet and get your children ready.

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