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    Quote Originally Posted by Randall Flagg View Post
    I've seen 7 of the 9 BP nominees. Going to see Phantom Thread today. Don't really have a great desire to see, but probably will view Call me by your name soon.
    I was really feeling it before the nominations came out. I thought I was doing great at seeing films that could potentially get nominated for Best Picture. I saw The Post, Three Billboards and Call Me by Your Name in the same week. I also have seen The Shape of Water recently. Those films, coupled with the fact that I've seen Get Out, Dunkirk, Blade Runner 2049, All the Money in the World, Molly's Game and Disaster Artist made me feel like I was in good shape.

    So much for that. I've been looking forward to seeing Lady Bird and I have some interest in Darkest Hour as well, but I truly have no desire to see Phantom Thread, despite the fact that it's directed by P.T. Anderson.

    Who knows, I didn't have any interest in seeing Lion last year and I ended up loving it.
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    I'll see anything that Lewis is in. Anything. As soon as I'm back from my trip this weekend I'll be seeking out Phantom Thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    I'll see anything that Lewis is in. Anything. As soon as I'm back from my trip this weekend I'll be seeking out Phantom Thread.
    Me too, but ooof, that trailer. Just doesn't do it for me.
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    I guess Three Billboards... chances for an Oscar are now diminished.

    How Three Billboards went from film fest darling to awards-season controversy

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    That controversy makes me laugh. People just look for reasons to be offended. They obviously saw an entirely different movie than I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    I guess Three Billboards... chances for an Oscar are now diminished.

    How Three Billboards went from film fest darling to awards-season controversy
    This story actually isn't new. I first heard about it over a month ago, and it's been boiling up ever since. That said, it didn't hurt the film at the Globes where it won Best Actress and Best Supporting Actor awards, as well as Best Picture. It also didn't hurt the film at the SAG awards where it won best ensemble, as well as Best Actress and Best Supporting Actor.

    I'm not saying it couldn't gain steam and impact their chances at the Academy Awards. It just hasn't been an issue thus far.

    Personally, I think the whole thing is bullshit. I don't know where this kind of shit comes from. So can we not have a racist character in a film ever again without dealing with this stuff? I hate to break the news to some people, but the world is not that simple. There are racist people out there that aren't just evil, devoid of good qualities. There are horribly racist people that are inherently good people. They're kind to one another, they help people, they give to charity. They just happen to be a racist piece of trash. This theory that racist characters = terrible human beings that should never be humanized is nonsense.

    I like to think we as humans are a little bit more complex than that. I for one don't want to see characters on the big screen painted with just two colors - black and white. That's not the world I live in.

    As a sidenote, at my screening, two African American woman were sitting in front of me. After the film ended, we chatted for a bit and they both loved the film.

    Now, I'm not saying all African American people love the film. I'm sure some are offended, but my biggest problem with society and similar instances like this, is that I don't think it's black people that are bringing this shit up. It's white people who, for some reason, feel the need to step in front of things like this first. Like it's some kind of noble venture.
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    Yeah, it's straight up virtue signaling. White people be privileged we can get offended for people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Servant View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    I guess Three Billboards... chances for an Oscar are now diminished.

    How Three Billboards went from film fest darling to awards-season controversy
    This story actually isn't new. I first heard about it over a month ago, and it's been boiling up ever since. That said, it didn't hurt the film at the Globes where it won Best Actress and Best Supporting Actor awards, as well as Best Picture. It also didn't hurt the film at the SAG awards where it won best ensemble, as well as Best Actress and Best Supporting Actor.

    I'm not saying it couldn't gain steam and impact their chances at the Academy Awards. It just hasn't been an issue thus far.

    Personally, I think the whole thing is bullshit. I don't know where this kind of shit comes from. So can we not have a racist character in a film ever again without dealing with this stuff? I hate to break the news to some people, but the world is not that simple. There are racist people out there that aren't just evil, devoid of good qualities. There are horribly racist people that are inherently good people. They're kind to one another, they help people, they give to charity. They just happen to be a racist piece of trash. This theory that racist characters = terrible human beings that should never be humanized is nonsense.

    I like to think we as humans are a little bit more complex than that. I for one don't want to see characters on the big screen painted with just two colors - black and white. That's not the world I live in.

    As a sidenote, at my screening, two African American woman were sitting in front of me. After the film ended, we chatted for a bit and they both loved the film.

    Now, I'm not saying all African American people love the film. I'm sure some are offended, but my biggest problem with society and similar instances like this, is that I don't think it's black people that are bringing this shit up. It's white people who, for some reason, feel the need to step in front of things like this first. Like it's some kind of noble venture.
    It's a true sign of the times we live in when a story being a month old makes it now new. You are correct that it did win all those awards with that "controversy" out there but the Oscars had to deal with the #oscarssowhite mess a few years back and is knee deep in a giant scandal right now so any controversy, no matter how unwarranted, might give voters a moment of hesitation. I hope not because I really enjoyed the film.

    It is a tricky but obvious argument that you give about racists not being pure evil and one I think some don't want to hear right now perhaps because it echoes the "both sides" statement Trump gave after Charlottesville.

    Several writers I love have been called out as being racist, misogynist, homophobes and anti-Semites. I love Dostoevsky but he clearly did not care for Jewish people. King calls Lovecraft a "galloping racist" in On Writing. Hemingway had issues with gays and so forth. Other folks come to mind, Dave Chappelle is a brilliant comedian but has told some horrible jokes about the LGBTQ community as recent as last year. And we all know the story about drunken Mel Gibson and his Jew-hating comments.

    There are records, whether in written form or audio, of Presidents Truman, Johnson and Nixon all using the N word in disparaging ways.

    My father was racist and homophobic but I still love him.

    So yeah, I do agree that some bigoted folks can do good things and produce beautiful art and serve their country well but it is damn hard to reconcile that truth, especially in this crazy environment we find ourselves in now.

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    I just think the article is off base. Rockwell's character isn't redeemed in my opinion.
    Spoiler:
    Mildred is just using him to get to this other guy.
    They're not buddies. She doesn't forgive him and the film doesn't ask us to forgive him either.

    I just think we are getting to the point where we can't have any characters who are even remotely racist or the entire film, the people who made it and everyone who watches it is also a racist.

    I remember when Django Unchained came out, a few writers were trying to say that Tarrantino was racist. They missed the entire point of the film. Django is one of the most empowering films for African Americans that has been made in decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Servant View Post
    I just think the article is off base. Rockwell's character isn't redeemed in my opinion.
    Spoiler:
    Mildred is just using him to get to this other guy.
    They're not buddies. She doesn't forgive him and the film doesn't ask us to forgive him either.

    I just think we are getting to the point where we can't have any characters who are even remotely racist or the entire film, the people who made it and everyone who watches it is also a racist.

    I remember when Django Unchained came out, a few writers were trying to say that Tarrantino was racist. They missed the entire point of the film. Django is one of the most empowering films for African Americans that has been made in decades.
    That's right! I remember some folks were saying people should be offended over Django. I also remember I saw the film with a good mix of people and the black folks applauded at the end. The white folks did not. I even sent Roger Ebert a post about it and he put it up on his forum or whatever where he would respond to people. He didn't respond to me but he did post it. I miss Ebert so much! I would love to hear what he would have to say about all the scandals affecting Hollywood over the past few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
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    I just think the article is off base. Rockwell's character isn't redeemed in my opinion.
    Spoiler:
    Mildred is just using him to get to this other guy.
    They're not buddies. She doesn't forgive him and the film doesn't ask us to forgive him either.

    I just think we are getting to the point where we can't have any characters who are even remotely racist or the entire film, the people who made it and everyone who watches it is also a racist.

    I remember when Django Unchained came out, a few writers were trying to say that Tarrantino was racist. They missed the entire point of the film. Django is one of the most empowering films for African Americans that has been made in decades.
    That's right! I remember some folks were saying people should be offended over Django. I also remember I saw the film with a good mix of people and the black folks applauded at the end. The white folks did not. I even sent Roger Ebert a post about it and he put it up on his forum or whatever where he would respond to people. He didn't respond to me but he did post it. I miss Ebert so much! I would love to hear what he would have to say about all the scandals affecting Hollywood over the past few years.
    Your experience was similar to mine. I sat next to 3 young African American women for Django Unchained. I thought to myself, "Oh, shit. This is going to be awkward." It turns out, they were having a blast and so was I. We even looked at each during certain scenes out of pure enjoyment. It was one of my favorite movie theater moments.
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    So I noticed a coincidental theme from many of the films nominated last year of people taking care of children that they were not their birth parents, Lion, Moonlight, Fences, Hidden Figures, Manchester by the Sea and more I can't think of at the moment. Has anyone noticed any sort of coincidental theme with these nominations? A silly question I know but it could be fun to ruminate on....

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    I'm still baffled by the exclusion of Denis Villaneuve in the Best Director category. Makes no sense to me.

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    I hope Sufjan wins an Oscar!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    So I noticed a coincidental theme from many of the films nominated last year of people taking care of children that they were not their birth parents, Lion, Moonlight, Fences, Hidden Figures, Manchester by the Sea and more I can't think of at the moment. Has anyone noticed any sort of coincidental theme with these nominations? A silly question I know but it could be fun to ruminate on....
    That is an interesting theme indeed. Refresh my memory with Hidden Figures. I don't remember someone taking care of kids that aren't their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Servant View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    So I noticed a coincidental theme from many of the films nominated last year of people taking care of children that they were not their birth parents, Lion, Moonlight, Fences, Hidden Figures, Manchester by the Sea and more I can't think of at the moment. Has anyone noticed any sort of coincidental theme with these nominations? A silly question I know but it could be fun to ruminate on....
    That is an interesting theme indeed. Refresh my memory with Hidden Figures. I don't remember someone taking care of kids that aren't their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Still Servant View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    So I noticed a coincidental theme from many of the films nominated last year of people taking care of children that they were not their birth parents, Lion, Moonlight, Fences, Hidden Figures, Manchester by the Sea and more I can't think of at the moment. Has anyone noticed any sort of coincidental theme with these nominations? A silly question I know but it could be fun to ruminate on....
    That is an interesting theme indeed. Refresh my memory with Hidden Figures. I don't remember someone taking care of kids that aren't their own.
    Taraji P. Henson's character
    spoiler
    Ahh, that's right. It wasn't a main theme, but good catch.
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    Those director roundtables are really good though. I will probably watch it in pieces in bed.
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    I watched the BAFTAs, and am confused. Why is 3 Billboards a British movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker View Post
    I watched the BAFTAs, and am confused. Why is 3 Billboards a British movie?
    Because it was co-produced by a British production company.

    3 Billboards, was produced by Fox Searchlight (American) and Film Four Productions (British).

    It is therefore eligible to be included at BAFTA.

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    The Oscars are this weekend! Let's get those picks in. You have until showtime.
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    The Rules

    Oscar night is right around the corner, so I'm going to post the rules for those who might not be familiar with them. Please tell your friends from other boards to come on over and join us. The more the merrier.

    You have until showtime on March 4, 2018.

    IMPORTANT: Don't forget the tie breaker. It's simple: Basically, everybody will submit their choices like usual, except they will also add which film they think will win the most Oscars and give a number. In case of a tie, whomever has the closest number without going over is the winner.

    Predictions have to be in by showtime, so there is no rush to post them. We still have some time before Oscar night. I myself will be waiting for the last possible moment to post my predictions.

    Remember, these are just educated guesses. None of us have seen every film nominated and I doubt if anybody has seen any of the documentary short subject nominees. Just make an educated guess. Or an uneducated guess.

    Returning this year:

    Returning this year will be the online ballot submission I created. I think that went over pretty well last year and made things a bit easier for me to grade at the end of the night. Of course, ballots can still be submitted here.

    Where it says "name" just put your DT.org handle, or designate in some way that you are from the Dark Tower boards. I will be sharing the same contest form with other friends and I don't want to get them confused.

    https://tinyurl.com/OscarContest2018

    Best Picture

    Call Me By Your Name
    Darkest Hour
    Dunkirk
    Get Out
    Lady Bird
    Phantom Thread
    The Post
    The Shape of Water
    Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

    Best Director

    Christopher Nolan - Dunkirk
    Jordan Peele - Get Out
    Greta Gerwig - Lady Bird
    Paul Thomas Anderson - Phantom Thread
    Guillermo del Toro - The Shape of Water

    Best Actor

    Timothée Chalamet - Call Me By Your Name
    Daniel Day-Lewis - Phantom Thread
    Daniel Kaluuya - Get Out
    Gary Oldman - Darkest Hour
    Denzel Washington - Roman J. Israel, Esq.

    Best Actress

    Sally Hawkins - The Shape of Water
    Frances McDormand - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
    Margot Robbie - I, Tonya
    Saoirse Ronan - Lady Bird
    Meryl Streep - The Post

    Best Supporting Actor

    Willem Dafoe - The Florida Project
    Woody Harrelson - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
    Richard Jenkins - The Shape of Water
    Christopher Plummer - All the Money in the World
    Sam Rockwell - Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

    Best Supporting Actress

    Mary J. Blige - Mudbound
    Allison Janney - I, Tonya
    Lesley Manville - Phantom Thread
    Laurie Metcalf - Lady Bird
    Octavia Spencer - The Shape of Water

    Best Cinematography

    Blade Runner 2049
    Darkest Hour
    Dunkirk
    Mudbound
    The Shape of Water

    Best Documentary Feature

    Abacus: Small Enough to Jail
    Faces Places
    Icarus
    Last Man in Aleppo
    Strong Island

    Best Foreign Language Film

    A Fantastic Woman
    The Insult
    Loveless
    On Body and Soul
    The Square

    Best Costume Design

    Beauty and the Beast
    Darkest Hour
    Phantom Thread
    The Shape of Water
    Victoria & Abdul

    Best Original Score

    Dunkirk
    Phantom Thread
    The Shape of Water
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

    Best Original Song

    “Mighty River” - Mudbound
    “Mystery of Love” - Call Me By Your Name
    “Remember Me” - Coco
    “Stand Up For Something” - Marshall
    “This Is Me” - The Greatest Showman

    Best Sound Editing

    Baby Driver
    Blade Runner 2049
    Dunkirk
    The Shape of Water
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi

    Best Sound Mixing

    Baby Driver
    Blade Runner 2049
    Dunkirk
    The Shape of Water
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi

    Best Documentary Short

    Edith and Eddie
    Heaven Is A Traffic Jam on the 405
    Heroin(e)
    Knife Skills
    Traffic Stop

    Best Production Design

    Beauty and the Beast
    Blade Runner 2049
    Darkest Hour
    Dunkirk
    The Shape of Water

    Best Original Screenplay

    The Big Sick - Emily V. Gordon and Kumail Nanjiani
    Get Out - Jordan Peele
    Lady Bird - Greta Gerwig
    The Shape of Water - Guillermo del Toro and Vanessa Taylor
    Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri - Martin McDonagh

    Best Adapted Screenplay

    Call Me By Your Name - James Ivory
    The Disaster Artist - Scott Neustadter and Michael H. Weber
    Logan - Scott Frank, James Mangold, Michael Green
    Molly’s Game - Aaron Sorkin
    Mudbound - Virgil Williams and Dee Rees

    Best Animated Feature

    The Boss Baby
    The Breadwinner
    Coco
    Ferdinand
    Loving Vincent

    Best Animated Short

    Dear Basketball
    Garden Party
    Lou
    Negative Space
    Revolting Rhymes

    Best Live Action Short

    DeKalb Elementary
    The Eleven O’Clock
    My Nephew Emmett
    The Silent Child
    Watu Wote/All of Us

    Best Film Editing

    Baby Driver
    Dunkirk
    I, Tonya
    The Shape of Water
    Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri

    Best Visual Effects

    Blade Runner 2049
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Kong: Skull Island
    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    War for the Planet of the Apes

    Best Makeup and Hairstyling

    Darkest Hour
    Victoria & Abdul
    Wonder
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