Suntup Editions

[jeffingoff]

Wouldn’t an official (but optional) publisher fix to these pages technically be a “second state”? Or a “rebound” state? I can’t see how it could be a first state.

Yeah. You said what I meant only much better.

[FlyerPhan0826]

For the record, my interest in the value of this book, in terms of whether the error or fixed variant will be inferior, does not necessarily imply I’m looking to sell. It would just bug the hell out of me knowing my copy is not the “better one” the same way a NF copy of a first edition bugs me when I know there’s a Fine copy out there and I don’t have it. Value can be intrinsic, too. I imagine I’m not the only one who sees it that way.

I really don't know all the ins and outs and I can only speak for myself. But if I had a NE, I'd keep it exactly as it was shipped. Even if everyone else sent theirs in to have the pages reformatted and rebound. This issue is part of the original Suntup story and getting it "fixed" would change that story. Unless it was a structural issue (like so many of my Grant editions!!!! ) then I'd leave it. Just my take on it. Of course, I'd be THRILLED to buy any copies that people felt were inferiror.

Yea I feel the same way. I don't pack shipments as well as Paul does so I'd be terrified that my book would get damaged on it way to be "fixed".

[Roseannebarr]

Paul. I would not mind paying shipping if it is an easy fix for the printer! I personally would like mine fixed if it it’s easy to do! Sounds like there wouldn’t be too many others that would like the same!

[webstar1000]

Paul. I would not mind paying shipping if it is an easy fix for the printer! I personally would like mine fixed if it it’s easy to do! Sounds like there wouldn’t be too many others that would like the same!

I have been thinking about this and I think it should be uniform in whatever is decided. I do not think Paul will want his baby in "2 states" as I just read above. I would agree that the majority do not care (as I really don't.. I mean no one would have ever known if not for the chap on FB that reads his limiteds. haha) BUT if some get it done, then I tend to agree they all should be. I do not think Paul will go the route of a choice (but we will know later today according to the man himself) just because it is his 'baby' so to speak. I am anxious to see what he comes up with though. Either way, I PRAY this impacts him at all as it was CLEARLY not his fault but a mistake in the bindrey department. It happens in my shop daily (most times small bindrey errors) and talking with my wife last night... we would be fixing our error to the customers satisfaction. 100%. We both agreed so fingers crossed this other printer will stand by their work.

[Randall Flagg]

If there is an option to send the book in for the repair, there will be no way to require every single owner to send theirs in. The only way to have them all be the same is to NOT DO the repair, and owners have to live with the mistake. It seems unlikely that everyone would be pleased with that response, thus I'd be shocked if Paul decided to handle the issue that way.

[HONKYTONKSMASH]

If there is an option to send the book in for the repair, there will be no way to require every single owner to send theirs in. The only way to have them all be the same is to NOT DO the repair, and owners have to live with the mistake. It seems unlikely that everyone would be pleased with that response, thus I'd be shocked if Paul decided to handle the issue that way.

I would venture to guess that the odds of everyone being pleased by whatever the solution may be...will be long
You have the "Not really concerned" camp...and the "Fix mine now" camp
"Way of the road, Bubs"

[stroppygoblin]

I've discussed this with a few people, but have decided to make my views known here as well. For clarity, everything below is just my opinion.

There are only 2 options, Fix none or fix all. Not doing this just worsens the problem. Fixing some only introduces more problems for collectors as it creates an immediate differentiation between what is currently a level playing field. There is an immediate impact on the perceived value of both unfixed (lower) and fixed (higher) copies of the book. Right now everyone's book has the same intrinsic value.

So lets look at the options, starting with Fix All.

In order to fix every book, they must all be shipped back to Paul. This means packing and shipping costs, including books that may have to travel halfway round the globe. Now we have 3 options, all of which will impact whether 100% of the books are fixed.

1. Paul covers ALL costs to get the books back and reshipped
2. Paul covers some of the cost
3. Paul covers none of the cost

if 1, I guarantee *everyone* will send their book back. You would be foolish not to. If 2 or 3, then we will have a mixture of people, who can/t/wont pay the amount and wont send the book back, bringing us back to the 2 tier book problem again.
But 1 is a HUGE financial burden for Paul, one which I personally feel is not warranted. There is NO PRECEDENT for a publisher covering costs for a complete run of books to be changed because of a small binding (or for that matter ANY) issue. This is a dangerous precedent to be set. What happens if all this is done and six months down the line, someone finds a typo in the text? Does it all happen again?

What happens if one or more books are lost or damaged in transit? What is the value of the book? Cost price or street price? I doubt very much you could legally justify that you would receive street price for a lost/damaged book. So anyone deciding to return the book to get it fixed is taking a large financial risk.

So lets look at the alternative, No books are fixed. You still have a book that has increased its value by 8 fold. Nothing is missing from the text and if you are one of the few that will actually read the book, are you really going to be put out by having to skip forward 4 or 5 pages and then skip back to keep with the story flow? No?- I didn't think so.

If this issue truly offends you so much that you cannot live with the book in it's current state, then I am 100% certain that you will be offered a complete refund of the money that you have paid for it, which is all that you are entitled to.

At the end of the day, Paul is a businessman who is running a business. It is not good business to have to cover an expensive returns process for what is a minor binding issue. As collectors we should recognise this and just add the binding issue to the list of similar 'incongruities' we revel in in so many other Collectible books.

my 2c.

[amd013]

Hi Paul,

What about for those of us who got the remarques? There would be no extra shipping back and forth to you in this case.

Its not a huge deal, but since there would be less risk in this case I would be interested in knowing the options, and what risks there are involved with fixing this.

On a side note, I find it interesting that so many people on this site say to remove the shrinkwrap (when one is present) to check for defects or you will not be able to return it if one is found years latter, yet in this case, when one is found, few are interested in fixing it.

[Aronstg]

I've discussed this with a few people, but have decided to make my views known here as well. For clarity, everything below is just my opinion.

There are only 2 options, Fix none or fix all. Not doing this just worsens the problem. Fixing some only introduces more problems for collectors as it creates an immediate differentiation between what is currently a level playing field. There is an immediate impact on the perceived value of both unfixed (lower) and fixed (higher) copies of the book. Right now everyone's book has the same intrinsic value.

So lets look at the options, starting with Fix All.

In order to fix every book, they must all be shipped back to Paul. This means packing and shipping costs, including books that may have to travel halfway round the globe. Now we have 3 options, all of which will impact whether 100% of the books are fixed.

1. Paul covers ALL costs to get the books back and reshipped
2. Paul covers some of the cost
3. Paul covers none of the cost

if 1, I guarantee *everyone* will send their book back. You would be foolish not to. If 2 or 3, then we will have a mixture of people, who can/t/wont pay the amount and wont send the book back, bringing us back to the 2 tier book problem again.
But 1 is a HUGE financial burden for Paul, one which I personally feel is not warranted. There is NO PRECEDENT for a publisher covering costs for a complete run of books to be changed because of a small binding (or for that matter ANY) issue. This is a dangerous precedent to be set. What happens if all this is done and six months down the line, someone finds a typo in the text? Does it all happen again?

What happens if one or more books are lost or damaged in transit? What is the value of the book? Cost price or street price? I doubt very much you could legally justify that you would receive street price for a lost/damaged book. So anyone deciding to return the book to get it fixed is taking a large financial risk.

So lets look at the alternative, No books are fixed. You still have a book that has increased its value by 8 fold. Nothing is missing from the text and if you are one of the few that will actually read the book, are you really going to be put out by having to skip forward 4 or 5 pages and then skip back to keep with the story flow? No?- I didn't think so.

If this issue truly offends you so much that you cannot live with the book in it's current state, then I am 100% certain that you will be offered a complete refund of the money that you have paid for it, which is all that you are entitled to.

At the end of the day, Paul is a businessman who is running a business. It is not good business to have to cover an expensive returns process for what is a minor binding issue. As collectors we should recognise this and just add the binding issue to the list of similar 'incongruities' we revel in in so many other Collectible books.

my 2c.

Well as RF stated before. #1 is not an option. Even if Paul were to cover the cost to get the books back and reshipped.. I don't know that I would send my copy back... so there is no guarantee.

Also I don't see this as black and white as to only two options. Ultimately Paul is a book publisher. It isn't his duty to manage how the books fair on the secondary market. The best he can do is offer a solution, or not, and go from there. It isn't on his shoulders to come up with this sweeping plan to make sure that all of these books stay consistent in value on a secondary market.

[webstar1000]

Hi Paul,

What about for those of us who got the remarques? There would be no extra shipping back and forth to you in this case.

Its not a huge deal, but since there would be less risk in this case I would be interested in knowing the options, and what risks there are involved with fixing this.

On a side note, I find it interesting that so many people on this site say to remove the shrinkwrap (when one is present) to check for defects or you will not be able to return it if one is found years latter, yet in this case, when one is found, few are interested in fixing it.

I never heard that before about shrinkwrap... I always was told it was to make sure it did not ruin the dustjacket. OR to see if you had a Whelan remarque in your Little Sisters. haha

[Hunchback Jack]

I'm happy to let Paul decide what to do; he doesn't need my advice.

If he provides an option to have the book corrected, I will seriously consider doing that, even at my own expense. If he does not, but sends an impeccably-designed errata sheet to numbered owners, I'll be more than happy with that option, too.

HBJ

[webstar1000]

I'm happy to let Paul decide what to do; he doesn't need my advice.

If he provides an option to have the book corrected, I will seriously consider doing that, even at my own expense. If he does not, but sends an impeccably-designed errata sheet to numbered owners, I'll be more than happy with that option, too.

HBJ

Thats a cool idea about the errata sheet brother....

[Roseannebarr]

Paul, I love my book. If it is an easy fix, I will pay to ship it back. The binder should fix it. At their cost. The collective does not reflect my opinion. I understand any one can request a refund. If I like my book but if it’s an easy fix. I am all for fixing it. It is NOT my business what others want or care to do about their books. Ps love the professional errata sheet. How about a facsimile signature to go with it?

[T-Dogz_AK47]

As the printer is at fault for misbinding these books, surely they should bear ALL costs associated to put this right? That is what Liability insurance is for, no?

The printer takes ownership of their mistake, fixes the problem and then claims on their insurance....

[PennyUnwise]

I've discussed this with a few people, but have decided to make my views known here as well. For clarity, everything below is just my opinion.

There are only 2 options, Fix none or fix all. Not doing this just worsens the problem. Fixing some only introduces more problems for collectors as it creates an immediate differentiation between what is currently a level playing field. There is an immediate impact on the perceived value of both unfixed (lower) and fixed (higher) copies of the book. Right now everyone's book has the same intrinsic value.

So lets look at the options, starting with Fix All.

In order to fix every book, they must all be shipped back to Paul. This means packing and shipping costs, including books that may have to travel halfway round the globe. Now we have 3 options, all of which will impact whether 100% of the books are fixed.

1. Paul covers ALL costs to get the books back and reshipped
2. Paul covers some of the cost
3. Paul covers none of the cost

if 1, I guarantee *everyone* will send their book back. You would be foolish not to. If 2 or 3, then we will have a mixture of people, who can/t/wont pay the amount and wont send the book back, bringing us back to the 2 tier book problem again.
But 1 is a HUGE financial burden for Paul, one which I personally feel is not warranted. There is NO PRECEDENT for a publisher covering costs for a complete run of books to be changed because of a small binding (or for that matter ANY) issue. This is a dangerous precedent to be set. What happens if all this is done and six months down the line, someone finds a typo in the text? Does it all happen again?

What happens if one or more books are lost or damaged in transit? What is the value of the book? Cost price or street price? I doubt very much you could legally justify that you would receive street price for a lost/damaged book. So anyone deciding to return the book to get it fixed is taking a large financial risk.

So lets look at the alternative, No books are fixed. You still have a book that has increased its value by 8 fold. Nothing is missing from the text and if you are one of the few that will actually read the book, are you really going to be put out by having to skip forward 4 or 5 pages and then skip back to keep with the story flow? No?- I didn't think so.

If this issue truly offends you so much that you cannot live with the book in it's current state, then I am 100% certain that you will be offered a complete refund of the money that you have paid for it, which is all that you are entitled to.

At the end of the day, Paul is a businessman who is running a business. It is not good business to have to cover an expensive returns process for what is a minor binding issue. As collectors we should recognise this and just add the binding issue to the list of similar 'incongruities' we revel in in so many other Collectible books.

my 2c.

Well as RF stated before. #1 is not an option. Even if Paul were to cover the cost to get the books back and reshipped.. I don't know that I would send my copy back... so there is no guarantee.

Also I don't see this as black and white as to only two options. Ultimately Paul is a book publisher. It isn't his duty to manage how the books fair on the secondary market. The best he can do is offer a solution, or not, and go from there. It isn't on his shoulders to come up with this sweeping plan to make sure that all of these books stay consistent in value on a secondary market.

I'm with you. My copy is not going back at all. It's the state I got it in and the state it will stay in.

[FlyerPhan0826]

I've discussed this with a few people, but have decided to make my views known here as well. For clarity, everything below is just my opinion.

There are only 2 options, Fix none or fix all. Not doing this just worsens the problem. Fixing some only introduces more problems for collectors as it creates an immediate differentiation between what is currently a level playing field. There is an immediate impact on the perceived value of both unfixed (lower) and fixed (higher) copies of the book. Right now everyone's book has the same intrinsic value.

So lets look at the options, starting with Fix All.

In order to fix every book, they must all be shipped back to Paul. This means packing and shipping costs, including books that may have to travel halfway round the globe. Now we have 3 options, all of which will impact whether 100% of the books are fixed.

1. Paul covers ALL costs to get the books back and reshipped
2. Paul covers some of the cost
3. Paul covers none of the cost

if 1, I guarantee *everyone* will send their book back. You would be foolish not to. If 2 or 3, then we will have a mixture of people, who can/t/wont pay the amount and wont send the book back, bringing us back to the 2 tier book problem again.
But 1 is a HUGE financial burden for Paul, one which I personally feel is not warranted. There is NO PRECEDENT for a publisher covering costs for a complete run of books to be changed because of a small binding (or for that matter ANY) issue. This is a dangerous precedent to be set. What happens if all this is done and six months down the line, someone finds a typo in the text? Does it all happen again?

What happens if one or more books are lost or damaged in transit? What is the value of the book? Cost price or street price? I doubt very much you could legally justify that you would receive street price for a lost/damaged book. So anyone deciding to return the book to get it fixed is taking a large financial risk.

So lets look at the alternative, No books are fixed. You still have a book that has increased its value by 8 fold. Nothing is missing from the text and if you are one of the few that will actually read the book, are you really going to be put out by having to skip forward 4 or 5 pages and then skip back to keep with the story flow? No?- I didn't think so.

If this issue truly offends you so much that you cannot live with the book in it's current state, then I am 100% certain that you will be offered a complete refund of the money that you have paid for it, which is all that you are entitled to.

At the end of the day, Paul is a businessman who is running a business. It is not good business to have to cover an expensive returns process for what is a minor binding issue. As collectors we should recognise this and just add the binding issue to the list of similar 'incongruities' we revel in in so many other Collectible books.

my 2c.

Well as RF stated before. #1 is not an option. Even if Paul were to cover the cost to get the books back and reshipped.. I don't know that I would send my copy back... so there is no guarantee.

Also I don't see this as black and white as to only two options. Ultimately Paul is a book publisher. It isn't his duty to manage how the books fair on the secondary market. The best he can do is offer a solution, or not, and go from there. It isn't on his shoulders to come up with this sweeping plan to make sure that all of these books stay consistent in value on a secondary market.

I'm with you. My copy is not going back at all. It's the state I got it in and the state it will stay in.

I'm in this camp as well... I think minor things like this is what makes this type of artwork so awesome

[Brian861]

I'd definitely purchase a returned copy fixed or no. If a waiting list for these comes to pass, please add me to it

[vincent]

I'd definitely purchase a returned copy fixed or no. If a waiting list for these comes to pass, please add me to it

if this is the queue for the waiting list, I'd like to join :-)

[jeffingoff]

I'd definitely purchase a returned copy fixed or no. If a waiting list for these comes to pass, please add me to it

if this is the queue for the waiting list, I'd like to join :-)

Damnit guys! You're gonna get us all in trouble if you hijack this thread and turn it into an Unofficial Wait List for Returned Numbered Editions of Misery. And put me down as number 3.

[Brian861]

It's still related as the returned product is still a Suntup production

[scarface]

I'd definitely purchase a returned copy fixed or no. If a waiting list for these comes to pass, please add me to it

if this is the queue for the waiting list, I'd like to join :-)

Damnit guys! You're gonna get us all in trouble if you hijack this thread and turn it into an Unofficial Wait List for Returned Numbered Editions of Misery. And put me down as number 3.

And And I am #4!!!

[Father Cody]

I'd definitely purchase a returned copy fixed or no. If a waiting list for these comes to pass, please add me to it

if this is the queue for the waiting list, I'd like to join :-)

Damnit guys! You're gonna get us all in trouble if you hijack this thread and turn it into an Unofficial Wait List for Returned Numbered Editions of Misery. And put me down as number 3.

And And I am #4!!!

Can I be on the waiting list if I already have one? If so, put me down at #5.

[PennyUnwise]

Whoever returns their copy over selling it (if they are that broken up about switched pages) would need to go check into an insane asylum.

[Father Cody]

Whoever returns their copy over selling it (if they are that broken up about switched pages) would need to go check into an insane asylum.

Haha shhhh... just let it happen.

[jeffingoff]

Whoever returns their copy over selling it (if they are that broken up about switched pages) would need to go check into an insane asylum.

So true. But betting on people doing something crazy is always a safe bet.