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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDuke View Post
    On a totally topic not related to this, I love the new layout of the website. But I have to ask. It looks like every book has the lettered version as the image for the book except for The Road. Any reason for that? Did you just want to show the emotion of a father and son walking.
    No reason. And that image does appear on the Lettered clamshell, so I guess it's part of the Lettered as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelig View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeDuke View Post
    On a totally topic not related to this, I love the new layout of the website. But I have to ask. It looks like every book has the lettered version as the image for the book except for The Road. Any reason for that? Did you just want to show the emotion of a father and son walking.
    No reason. And that image does appear on the Lettered clamshell, so I guess it's part of the Lettered as well.
    OK. Just curios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelig View Post
    I tend not to respond to comments like this unless it is posed as a question, in which case I will answer it. I wanted to respond to this one though.

    Someone brought this to my attention the other day. It was posted in a Facebook group, of which I am not a member so I couldn't respond there. I feel it's appropriate to do so here though, as I have seen similar comments once or twice before by members here.

    This is the post:

    Spoiler:


    In the past, I have ignored comments like this. However, let's say it was posed to me as a question, for example:

    "Hey Paul, I was just curious, what does Jordan Peele have to do with Rosemary's Baby?"

    Then I would have provided an answer, and there would be no need for these ignorant statements that have no factual basis. I should add that we did provide a brief explanation of the connection between the two on the original announcement page.

    Here is my response to the post above, and in turn, my response to this comment in general, so perhaps we can put this to rest now:

    We do not choose intro authors at random based solely on their fame or popularity, in the hope that it will help sell the book. Having someone write an introduction to a book they have absolutely no connection with is silly.

    Jordan Peele was initially chosen for some very specific reasons. Foremost of which is that his Oscar winning movie Get Out was largely inspired by Rosemary's Baby. In several interviews he had given about it, he credited Ira Levin, specifically Rosemary's Baby and The Stepford Wives as his main influences. Being his touchstone work in the genre the movie occupies (horror with a social sideline), it was an obvious choice.

    Although it did not end up working out with Peele, we are delighted to have Chuck Palahniuk on board. And so too does Chuck have a connection to Ira Levin and Rosemary's Baby, often citing the author as one of his greatest influences. His novel Adjustment Day was specifically inspired by the work of Ira Levin. In an interview he spoke of his love for the author and how his own writing was inspired by him.

    Lastly, it should also be noted that the “4K” price for the Lettered edition (technically, it was $3950) has absolutely nothing to do with having a famous celebrity or author sign the book. We do not use that as a tactic to inflate prices. In fact, the signature has zero impact on the price we set. The retail price is based entirely on production costs. These books can take up to 12 months to produce. The labor, materials, and costly letterpress printing all contribute to the price.
    A great response, Paul!

    However, you do not need to offer an explanation to these comments or be made to feel that you should. The person posting dumb comments about Rosemary's Baby on Facebook clearly knows the price of everything, yet the value of nothing.

    A person who cannot see the value in what you produce is not worthy of holding a Suntup edition, nevermind owning one.

    The truth is that you make beautiful books that are loved and treasured. Indeed they are considered by the vast majority here, to be works of art.

    And the truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
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    I was actually pretty bummed that Peele wouldn't be signing. Although no connection to the book, my son and I were huge fans of the Key and Peele show and it was a great bonding experience. The kind of experience where you re-enact the skits and have the wife rolls her eyes constantly because my son and I are both laughing like silly school girls. He was actually excited when I told him guess who's sig I'm getting! And trust me, no one in this household gets excited about Dad's hobby but Dad.

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    Suntup's next book.

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    Wise words from The Man himself.
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    Suntup's next book.
    I know I'd take a look at it.
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    I can see across the whole of London and beyond

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    Wise words from The Man himself.
    A HISTORY OF THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PE0PLES by Sir Winston Churchill
    Suntup's next book.
    I know I'd take a look at it.
    A true legend. I bet Churchill would be able to see and appreciate the value in Paul's books too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelig View Post
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    I'm a new collector of Suntup...
    <snipped>
    ... I hope to see some science fiction story with the Suntup emblem soon. Hiperyon maybe? I can't imagine.
    Welcome to the board, and thank you for what you wrote. Really, thanks so much. I do have some science fiction books under contract currently.
    Welcome to TDT, Black Miau! Happy to have you here.

    Paul, excited to hear you’ve got some science fiction waiting in the queue. Very cool.

    Regarding the Facebook comments, that guy sounds like an uninvolved idiot jeering from the sidelines. Suntup Editions has addressed this issue already pretty much everywhere. Nice of you to clarify again, Paul. I guess sometimes things bear repeating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    And trust me, no one in this household gets excited about Dad's hobby but Dad.
    Same here, brother. I know that feeling well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    I cannot tell you guys enough how freakin good Brother is. Go get a copy today. Read it. And thank Paul for doing a limited. Man l, it’s the fastest I ever read a book.
    I ordered it on Saturday as soon as I saw the announcement and it came this morning. I have done NO DAMN WORK all day but am about halfway through - it's the most riveting book I've read in years.

    I like the font change between the "current" chapters and the "flashback" chapters and am super eager to see how the Suntup version deals with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Library Policeman View Post
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    And trust me, no one in this household gets excited about Dad's hobby but Dad.
    Same here, brother. I know that feeling well.
    Oh yea - ditto...

    My kids are young enough that they're not even allowed to touch most of my books. This probably isn't endearing them to book collecting but I do keep their library of children's books well-stocked and have not given up hope!

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    My three-year-old daughter keeps asking me if she can "play with the clown" (a NECA Pennywise figurine) or "take a bath with the boat" (the replica newspaper boat that came with the Dragon Rebound IT).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munnecom View Post
    My three-year-old daughter keeps asking me if she can "play with the clown" (a NECA Pennywise figurine) or "take a bath with the boat" (the replica newspaper boat that came with the Dragon Rebound IT).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Library Policeman View Post
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    And trust me, no one in this household gets excited about Dad's hobby but Dad.
    Same here, brother. I know that feeling well.
    Oh, likewise. My wife and son accept it - and can even understand it - but they don't really share it.

    I also ordered Brother on Kindle and audio right after the announcement on Saturday, and am about 2/3rd of the way through. What a great choice, Paul! So thrilled that we will be getting a Suntup edition of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munnecom View Post
    My three-year-old daughter keeps asking me if she can "play with the clown" (a NECA Pennywise figurine) or "take a bath with the boat" (the replica newspaper boat that came with the Dragon Rebound IT).
    My (4 year old at the time) daughter took a shine to my Suntup Misery penguin and started to refer to him as Hector. Kids eh?

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    Jesus, Paul. The HORNS AGE is fantastic. I can only imagine how wonderful that numbered will be. AND my RED HORNS!

    https://youtu.be/gHXBpJZhY9g


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    Quote Originally Posted by lotuz View Post
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    I cannot tell you guys enough how freakin good Brother is. Go get a copy today. Read it. And thank Paul for doing a limited. Man l, it’s the fastest I ever read a book.
    I ordered it on Saturday as soon as I saw the announcement and it came this morning. I have done NO DAMN WORK all day but am about halfway through - it's the most riveting book I've read in years.

    I like the font change between the "current" chapters and the "flashback" chapters and am super eager to see how the Suntup version deals with this.
    Let us know if that ending BLOWS you away like it did me. It took me 3 days to read this last December... I think it was the fastest I ever read a book. Haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    Jesus, Paul. The HORNS AGE is fantastic. I can only imagine how wonderful that numbered will be. AND my RED HORNS!

    https://youtu.be/gHXBpJZhY9g
    You keep your cottonpickin' hands off my Red Horns, cityslicker. Them's red books only for True Hill Fans.

    Another 10 minutes I'll never get back

    Spoiler:
    J/K, brother. You know I love ya


    Edit: Another outstanding video by Jeff! Paul, you've got to get this Kat in on an announcement video one of these days.

    The AGE is outstanding!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    Jesus, Paul. The HORNS AGE is fantastic. I can only imagine how wonderful that numbered will be. AND my RED HORNS!

    https://youtu.be/gHXBpJZhY9g
    You keep your cottonpickin' hands off my Red Horns, cityslicker. Them's red books only for True Hill Fans.

    Another 10 minutes I'll never get back

    Spoiler:
    J/K, brother. You know I love ya


    Edit: Another outstanding video by Jeff! Paul, you've got to get this Kat in on an announcement video one of these days.

    The AGE is outstanding!
    Lol
    I agree. That would be hilarious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    Jesus, Paul. The HORNS AGE is fantastic. I can only imagine how wonderful that numbered will be. AND my RED HORNS!

    https://youtu.be/gHXBpJZhY9g


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    Excellent video! Can't wait to get my hands on that book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Dogz_AK47 View Post
    And the truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
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    Good one Tim. This also works for me: It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    Jesus, Paul. The HORNS AGE is fantastic. I can only imagine how wonderful that numbered will be. AND my RED HORNS!
    Jeff! Been desperately waiting for your unboxing video man... You did not disappoint... Thank you! And I still need to get me one of those daggers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian861 View Post
    Edit: Another outstanding video by Jeff! Paul, you've got to get this Kat in on an announcement video one of these days.
    The wheels are turning...

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    Great unboxing vid, Jeff. I'm still waiting for my AGE, and now I'm super excited to get it.

    And imagine if Jeff won the red Horns, think of the unboxing video we'd get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    Jesus, Paul. The HORNS AGE is fantastic. I can only imagine how wonderful that numbered will be. AND my RED HORNS!

    https://youtu.be/gHXBpJZhY9g



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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    Welcome to the board, and thank you for what you wrote. Really, thanks so much. I do have some science fiction books under contract currently.
    Welcome to TDT, Black Miau! Happy to have you here.

    Paul, excited to hear you’ve got some science fiction waiting in the queue. Very cool.

    Thank you Patrick, I'm happy to be part of this warm collecting community and I'm excited to know which title Paul will choose. Although our official community unboxer is not convinced by the science fiction genre. Anyway....


    Quote Originally Posted by jeffingoff View Post
    Jesus, Paul. The HORNS AGE is fantastic. I can only imagine how wonderful that numbered will be. AND my RED HORNS!
    I always watch your videos Jeff, I congratulate you for your great unboxing!

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