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    Quote Originally Posted by Phalucha View Post
    I don’t find the auction to have that many unique or interesting items....and the legal waiver is significant.
    What causes you pause on that waiver brother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post

    What causes you pause on that waiver brother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phalucha View Post
    I don’t find the auction to have that many unique or interesting items....and the legal waiver is significant.
    Agree with the first part - I'm a little disappointed if I'm honest - I was really hoping there would be something with King's annotations or edits.

    The legal T&C's on the registration document look fairly standard unless you're referring to something I've missed?

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    My read of agreement is that risks are all with potential bidders/customers plus a requirement to cover a percentage of the bid up front. This coupled with lack of information on condition were my concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phalucha View Post
    My read of agreement is that risks are all with potential bidders/customers plus a requirement to cover a percentage of the bid up front. This coupled with lack of information on condition were my concerns.
    These are all normal requirements procedures with Auctions like this.
    Seller needs some assurance bidders are serious especially when handling a Charity Auction with items of value.
    The fact there is NO BUYERS PREMIUM for this auction is highly unusual and benefits the Buyers as well as the Charity ( Matthew
    Morrell / Natalie Sanchez Pediatric Cancer Research Fund) greatly.

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    I never quite understood the Buyers premium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari_Racing View Post
    I never quite understood the Buyers premium.

    Most live auctions charge a BUYERS PREMIUM which is actually The Auctioneers cut of the auction.
    The fact that the MatthewMorrell / Natalie Sanchez Pediatric Cancer Research Fund auction does not have a BUYERS PREMIUM means bidders do not pay an additional fee to auctioneer and Charity benefits.
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    Wow, Gerald now has 3 Doubleday proofs for THE SHINING
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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPLORER View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ari_Racing View Post
    I never quite understood the Buyers premium.

    Most live auctions charge a BUYERS PREMIUM which is actually The Auctioneers cut of the auction.
    The fact that the MatthewMorrell / Natalie Sanchez Pediatric Cancer Research Fund auction does not have a BUYERS PREMIUM means bidders do not pay an additional fee to auctioneer and Charity benefits.
    Generally the auction house gets paid.

    They will either take a percentage from the seller or charge a buyer's premium. They could do both although that's uncommon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Br!an View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EXPLORER View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ari_Racing View Post
    I never quite understood the Buyers premium.

    Most live auctions charge a BUYERS PREMIUM which is actually The Auctioneers cut of the auction.
    The fact that the MatthewMorrell / Natalie Sanchez Pediatric Cancer Research Fund auction does not have a BUYERS PREMIUM means bidders do not pay an additional fee to auctioneer and Charity benefits.
    Generally the auction house gets paid.

    They will either take a percentage from the seller or charge a buyer's premium. They could do both although that's uncommon.
    Gerald is doing this for charity so maybe that is why he is not doing that? So all the money goes right back to the cancer foundation.

    Also, I want to bid on some things and to be safe and avoid anything (surprises) I asked for pics of the stuff I was interested in. Nothing yet from Gerald but hoping to see something in the next few days. I have my eye on IT goodies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Br!an View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EXPLORER View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ari_Racing View Post
    I never quite understood the Buyers premium.

    Most live auctions charge a BUYERS PREMIUM which is actually The Auctioneers cut of the auction.
    The fact that the MatthewMorrell / Natalie Sanchez Pediatric Cancer Research Fund auction does not have a BUYERS PREMIUM means bidders do not pay an additional fee to auctioneer and Charity benefits.
    Generally the auction house gets paid.

    They will either take a percentage from the seller or charge a buyer's premium. They could do both although that's uncommon.
    Believe me, auction houses charging both buyers and sellers commission is standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPLORER View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ari_Racing View Post
    I never quite understood the Buyers premium.

    Most live auctions charge a BUYERS PREMIUM which is actually The Auctioneers cut of the auction.
    The fact that the MatthewMorrell / Natalie Sanchez Pediatric Cancer Research Fund auction does not have a BUYERS PREMIUM means bidders do not pay an additional fee to auctioneer and Charity benefits.
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    The auction has been cancelled. This just came through on Gerald’s Twitter page.




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    Yeah he informed all bidders first thing this am
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    I wonder why he posted a picture of the IT collection with that announcement. Suppose it could just have been the most logical choice for that update, but it seemed strange to me. Kind of like “hey guys, guess what you won’t be getting today!” Not judging him by any means, strictly just made the cynic in me curious. And I hope all is well with Gerald or David Morrell.
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    David Morrel tweeted about the cancellation:

    https://twitter.com/_DavidMorrell/st...89901839495173

    "Bev, some SK collectors conspired, promising each other to bid low and then resell at a high price. We cancelled the physical auction that included every item. Now each item will be auctioned separately via phone and email, with a minimum bid required."

    https://twitter.com/_DavidMorrell/st...05092262436864

    "The auction will be rescheduled soon. It will be strictly online and via phone, with a few items being offered at a time and a couple of days per item so that bidders don't feel rushed. This way everyone has a fair chance."
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    Interesting. I wonder how a "conspiracy" was determined.

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    Wow. Who done it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari_Racing View Post
    David Morrel tweeted about the cancellation:

    https://twitter.com/_DavidMorrell/st...89901839495173

    "Bev, some SK collectors conspired, promising each other to bid low and then resell at a high price. We cancelled the physical auction that included every item. Now each item will be auctioned separately via phone and email, with a minimum bid required."

    https://twitter.com/_DavidMorrell/st...05092262436864

    "The auction will be rescheduled soon. It will be strictly online and via phone, with a few items being offered at a time and a couple of days per item so that bidders don't feel rushed. This way everyone has a fair chance."
    Whoa. thats pretty fucked up on the collectors involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randall Flagg View Post
    Interesting. I wonder how a "conspiracy" was determined.
    And why would it matter if so? Let’s say a few collectors tried to do so.... what about the other collectors that didn’t know the few that were “conspiring” and put their own bids in. They would want the item and bid accordingly to secure said item... thus rendering the low bids irrelevant. I just don’t see how that would matter in the grand scheme of things.


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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Randall Flagg View Post
    Interesting. I wonder how a "conspiracy" was determined.
    And why would it matter if so? Let’s say a few collectors tried to do so.... what about the other collectors that didn’t know the few that were “conspiring” and put their own bids in. They would want the item and bid accordingly to secure said item... thus rendering the low bids irrelevant. I just don’t see how that would matter in the grand scheme of things.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Randall Flagg View Post
    Interesting. I wonder how a "conspiracy" was determined.
    I'd be keen to know what the evidence looks like to conclude a conspiracy (and how one could come across such evidence)?

    Am I missing something, but wouldn't the "conspiracy" have to involve every single collector who was going to bid high? That would be quite a Jason Bourne level operation. All you need is one serous and cashed-up collector to not be a part of the conspiracy, and the conspiracy falls down.

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    This is just stupidity.

    A conspiracy to keep prices low, even if it existed, isn't logistical. Or for that matter logical.

    Why lie about it?

    I suspect that a large number of people who might have bid won't bother now.

    I certainly don't care anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webstar1000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Randall Flagg View Post
    Interesting. I wonder how a "conspiracy" was determined.
    And why would it matter if so? Let’s say a few collectors tried to do so.... what about the other collectors that didn’t know the few that were “conspiring” and put their own bids in. They would want the item and bid accordingly to secure said item... thus rendering the low bids irrelevant. I just don’t see how that would matter in the grand scheme of things.


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    First off, my question only asked how it was determined there was a "conspiracy".


    But since you asked the question ..."why would it matter if so?". I'll try and answer that. The reason why it could matter is that it might be a violation of The Sherman Act-which makes it illegal to restrain trade.


    I'm not an attorney, and I don't really even care about the auction(s), and I'd be surprised if something as esoteric as this makes sense to you, but rest assured that in a few high profile cases, people (bidders, not the seller) have been charged, and convicted of rigging auctions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Br!an View Post
    A conspiracy to keep prices low, even if it existed, isn't logistical. Or for that matter logical.
    Exactly! +1

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