I believe that Roland was Jakes true father, despite his ' parents ' in the story.
He even called him Father.
Eddie was Cuthbert. On some level of the Tower Roland has a son, and his name is Jack Sawyer, aka Jake Chambers.
Yes
No
Roland was Jake's...? *spoilers all around*
I believe that Roland was Jakes true father, despite his ' parents ' in the story.
He even called him Father.
Eddie was Cuthbert. On some level of the Tower Roland has a son, and his name is Jack Sawyer, aka Jake Chambers.
"The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)
Yeah, I'm all for the idea of Roland being Roland's true father. It makes sense.Originally Posted by ATG
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Oh wow, fixed.
Error in title too, shit.
Ban me. You'll be doing the site a favor. ( hic )
"The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)
You had me until Jake is Jack. I believe them to be two completely separate entities, characters, people, whatever. As for the poll question, I don't know how to answer it. I think all of the Tet considered Roland their "true" father in some way, I at least remember Eddie and Jake saying so. What this means I am not sure. I don't think it means there are other versions of them on other levels that have another Roland as their father. I don't think there is another Roland. I'd say "yes" he is Jake's metaphorical true father in that he provided him a truer love than Elmer Chambers, but Elmer Chambers is his father nonetheless.
EDIT: btw, you may want to fix "Roalnds" name up there in the poll
Damn, and I thought you were getting deep and mystical! Yes, to me Roland was Jake's true father.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Jack/Jake.
C'mon.
"The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)
Jake = Jack though? Interesting thought..I'll have to mull that one over.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Yes, they are similar names. That's the truth. I'm not sure that's compelling enough evidence for them being the same "person." what else you got?
Well that Jack might be Jake's twinner. I've never thought of that before.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
it's intriguing theory for sure, i'd like to hear more about it...
Sai King and I are linked via telepathy.
He didn't know it, but he was channeling my past lives when he wrote the DT.
I intend to go to where he lives and take this up over wine him him.
kidding.
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/...ead.php?t=1813
"The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)
I believe Roland was Jake's true father. I said it somewhere else, but he was a better parent to that kid than his biological parents ever were.
Not too sure about the Jack/Jake connection thought.
"People, especially children, aren't measured by their IQ. What's important about them is whether they're good or bad, and these children are bad." ~ Alan Bernard
"You needn't die happy when your day comes, but you must die satisfied, for you have lived your life from beginning to end and ka is always served." ~ Roland Deschain
Both are boys. And warriors.
The fate of worlds hinge on their actions.
"The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)
They both have first names that begin with 'J'
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
And the earth is round. So?
Still not convinced.
"People, especially children, aren't measured by their IQ. What's important about them is whether they're good or bad, and these children are bad." ~ Alan Bernard
"You needn't die happy when your day comes, but you must die satisfied, for you have lived your life from beginning to end and ka is always served." ~ Roland Deschain
And the earth is round. So?
Still not convinced.
It's actually sorta egg shaped.
/win.
"The Constitution shall never be construed....to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)
While it is an interesting idea, I'm not convinced either.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
It depends on what you mean by father and true father. Yes, Roland was Jake's true father but not his genetical father.
Roland would have understood.
::nods::
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When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They just held Roland in high respects. Roland guided them and instructed them and helped them be better people. That's all I ever seen father as, just a sign of the utmost respect.
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Jake = Jack is not cutting it for me either. King has many young/adolescent boys as heroes of his storys, I think it says more about King's fondness for childhood than it does for correlations between characters.
and maybe Wolf is Oy. Think about it. Both furry. Both talk. That's proof, right?
Or maybe King loves getting inside little boys.....heads. Oh, you thought I was making him out to be like Michael Jackson! You all got dirty minds.
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I was trying to be careful how I worded that
Voted "No".
And Jake = Jack? - I dont think so.
and...
and maybe Wolf is Oy. Think about it. Both furry. Both talk. That's proof, right?
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