I don't see why groups can't just be 100% random. It's easier and leaves everything up to chance. All this system really does is guarantee, with a fairer certainty, that the lowest ranked films from round 1 will be eliminated in round 2. Looking at the above poll, this is quite clear. The results in this poll literally go from highest percentage of Rd 1 votes to lowest percentage of Rd 2 votes. It's fundamentally flawed in that respect.
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I don’t think it’s flawed. It’s how most brackets are designed. The only difference is that in sports, you have an entire season to determine which teams are theoretically better. Then the better teams are matched up with the weaker teams in the first round and more often than not, the weaker teams are gone after the first round or two.Originally Posted by Mattrick
If there’s a movie that truly deserves to be “best”, it should move on no matter what it’s competition is.
Hearts are tough, she said, most times hearts don't break, and I'm sure that's right . . . but what about then? What about who we were then? What about hearts in Atlantis?
FWIW, that's not the only difference. Sports teams face each other in actual play; this is purely measured every time by popularity alone.I don’t think it’s flawed. It’s how most brackets are designed. The only difference is that in sports, you have an entire season to determine which teams are theoretically better. Then the better teams are matched up with the weaker teams in the first round and more often than not, the weaker teams are gone after the first round or two.
If there’s a movie that truly deserves to be “best”, it should move on no matter what it’s competition is.
The difference is this is group play. Brackets are designed 1 vs 1. Brackets are divided by conference and conference's are divided by divisions. There are no divisions and there are no conferences. Every single movie in this tournament is on an equal playing field. The way these groups are set up isn't putting first seed against last seed, it's just taking one, skipping how many groups there are down the list, then taking another one. If were going by seeds and the first round seeded them, the top four films should face the bottom four films.I don’t think it’s flawed. It’s how most brackets are designed. The only difference is that in sports, you have an entire season to determine which teams are theoretically better. Then the better teams are matched up with the weaker teams in the first round and more often than not, the weaker teams are gone after the first round or two.
If there’s a movie that truly deserves to be “best”, it should move on no matter what it’s competition is.
If it were random there would be more chances for weaker films to move on and more chances for stronger films to be eliminated. Unlike sports where there is a chance of a great team playing a bad game and losing, there are no variables except the grouping itself. Seeding the films based on one round how each film individually performs, when the group makeup itself often dictates how many votes it gets per group, doesn't make much sense to me. If a 1 seed team sweeps a playoff series, then wins the next series in 7 games, their seed doesn't go down. The problem with this system is it separates all the top films essentially from competing with each other. We may as well just give the top two films from each group in the first round a bye since they won't be eliminated anyways. If randomness puts five of the top 10 films into one group and only four can advance...one must go, and it's more exciting and unpredictable.
And brackets are specifically divided by divisions and are strict about what winners face what winners. If this was to be done like an actual bracket, films would be place in divisions and the winners from the divisions would battle each other.
I still want to volunteer for running the Drama Tournament when we get to it in the future. I only kind of half ran the original tournament because, well, like got in the way, so others took over. I'd like a chance to at raising my own baby
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The poll has closed. The following four titles are moving on to the next round:
- Ghostbusters (1984) 79.31%
- Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986) 68.97%
- Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (2004) 48.28%
- Elf (2003) 41.38%
And the following four titles have been eliminated:
- Being John Malkovich (1999) 27.59%
- Kingpin (1996) 27.59%
- Knocked Up (2007) 20.69%
- Fantastic Mr. Fox (2009) 13.79%
Wow, Fantastic Mr. Fox in last place here makes me sad.
Seeing Ferris Bueller's Day Off doing so well makes me sad.
I just never saw it as being that funny. Classic movie, sure. But one of the greatest comedies? Nah.
Plus, Ferris Bueller is a dick. And a bad friend.
haha, just watched a little bit of it with a friend who had never seen it and he said basically the same thing.Ferris thinks he is better than everyone else and that he can break the rules and get away with it. he HATED Ferris and didn't understand why the movie is so popular at all. Of course he is older and I think this film is definitely a generational thing.
Kingpin is in 5th place?
Hearts are tough, she said, most times hearts don't break, and I'm sure that's right . . . but what about then? What about who we were then? What about hearts in Atlantis?
haha, just watched a little bit of it with a friend who had never seen it and he said basically the same thing.Ferris thinks he is better than everyone else and that he can break the rules and get away with it. he HATED Ferris and didn't understand why the movie is so popular at all. Of course he is older and I think this film is definitely a generational thing.
I really hated that Kingpin was eliminated. It's hilarious.Kingpin is in 5th place?
I've read on some websites and have kind of always thought that Cameron and Sloane should end up together and that maybe subconsciously, Ferris was trying to bring trouble to Cameron's doorstep because Ferris realizes that in the end he wouldn't wind up with Sloane but rather Cameron would and Ferris resents Cameron for this.
That's deep. And makes some sense.
Either way: Ferris Bueller = jerk
Those four films that got eliminated....will the travesty ever end?
This is me right now
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+1I really hated that Kingpin was eliminated. It's hilarious.Kingpin is in 5th place?
That would have been better.
She didn't do so for reasons as good as yours, though.... I don't blame (Ferris Bueller's) sister for despising him.
I wouldn't call it classic, even, but it is iconic. It was crafted deliberately to make strong impressions. Slow motion imagery, quotable one-liners, etc. It's real art, but absolutely overrated. Thank you for recognizing that it's kind of hollow.
Probably deeper than the film deserves and what's up with the scene where Ferris comes across the two chics sunbathing at like 5 in the afternoon IN THE SHADE, on a day where Ferris is wearing a jacket? What kind of drugs where they on???
That's deep. And makes some sense.
I never even thought about it, but you're right!
It's funny how, growing up watching the movie, I always thought "Jeez, what's Ferris's sister's problem. She's such a bitch." Then, I grew up and watched the movie and totally saw things from her perspective- even though her reasons may be different than my own.She didn't do so for reasons as good as yours, though.... I don't blame (Ferris Bueller's) sister for despising him.
I wouldn't call it classic, even, but it is iconic. It was crafted deliberately to make strong impressions. Slow motion imagery, quotable one-liners, etc. It's real art, but absolutely overrated. Thank you for recognizing that it's kind of hollow.
To be honest, of all the films John Hughes did, it's gotta be my least favorite. The sad thing is, I recognize how iconic it is (which is a better word for it than "classic" ). I just can't get over my severe distaste for Ferris.
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