"debate"and "discuss" are two different words. I was discussing. I believe you are debating. Regardless, I am cool with whatever the popular opinion is thought to be. Bottom line, I think we are very close to actual voting for a definitive TDT.Org list!!!Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle
28 in 23 (?)!!!!
63 in '23!!!!!!!!!!
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The Houston Astros cheated Major League Baseball from 2017-18!!!! Is that how we teach our kids to play the game now?????
Debating can still be done in a civilized manner, participants just have to learn to curb their condescension.
It's cool. Let's move on?
28 in 23 (?)!!!!
63 in '23!!!!!!!!!!
My Collection: https://www.thedarktower.org/palaver...ion-Merlin1958
The Houston Astros cheated Major League Baseball from 2017-18!!!! Is that how we teach our kids to play the game now?????
The Foundation Trilogy spans 500 years.
Here is what we're talking about:
Novels nominated with series credentials:
Dark Tower
Da Vinci Code
Dragonriders of Pern
Dune
Foundation trilogy
Harry Potter
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Interview With The Vampire
Lord of the Rings
Out of the Silent Planet
Silence of the Lambs
Song of Ice and Fire
Nominated novels possessing sequels:
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
Old Yeller
Shining
Nominated novels suspected of series status:
Ender's Game
Rabbit series
Series nominated, currently in suspension:
Chronicles of Narnia
Earthsea Quartet
Hunger Games
Sword of Truth
It would be a shame to have to disqualify all these great books. Series's existence has pros and cons for voters; I think non-series novels can still compete if we also allow all series to enter a novel. We ought to consolidate as many as possible, (for example, count Silmarillion as part of LotR) so that they don't compete with themselves, take up more slots, and throw things off further for all the list.
However, a separation into two contests is not out of the question to me, if many support it and Jean is willing to take added work.
I just don't personally endorse trying to re-categorize the banned list with theoretical information. Are there other ideas on how to be fair and accurate?
Old Yeller has a sequel?
I still might have missed some among other noms.
Wouldn't The Da Vinci Code be a sequel to Angels and Demons, Langdon's first adventure (a much better book if you ask me).
The Dan Brown books are not a series in the sense that The Dark Tower is or Harry Potter. They're self-contained novels that happen to feature the same character.
Nominating NOS4A2 by Joe Hill.
A hound will die for you, but never lie to you. And he'll look you straight in the face.
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Yes and was even a Disney film in 1963
Spoiler:
Really? As one of the 100 best of all time?
http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/...l=1#post794271
And with that, I believe it is time to go forth and do other things. Best of wishes folks!!
28 in 23 (?)!!!!
63 in '23!!!!!!!!!!
My Collection: https://www.thedarktower.org/palaver...ion-Merlin1958
The Houston Astros cheated Major League Baseball from 2017-18!!!! Is that how we teach our kids to play the game now?????
Merlin:all around.
bears second Great Expectations
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dear friends, thank you for the discussion, there's been many a sound argument
I'll say something that (hopefully) might make sense as soon as I feel better, now can only try to update the current results.
Please bear with me. (what did I just say????)
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Updates
1984 11
20,000 Leagues Under The Sea 4
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, The 8
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (and Through the Looking-Glass) 8
All Quiet on The Western Front 3
American Psycho 1
American Tragedy, An 1
Andromeda Strain, The 4
Animal Farm 5
As I Lay Dying 1
Ball and the Cross, The 0
Battlefield Earth 1
Battle Royale 0
Beloved 0
Black Water 1
Bonfire of the Vanities, The 1
Brave New World 3
Breakfast of Champions 1
Broken Sword, The 0
Candide 4
Carrion Comfort 1
Castle, The 2
Catch-22 4
Catcher in the Rye, The 7
Charlotte's Web 3
Children of Men 0
Clockwork Orange, A 3
Cloud Atlas 1
Count of Monte Cristo, The 2
Crime and Punishment 4
Dark Tower, The 10
David Copperfield 3
Da Vinci Code, The 2
Don Quixote 3
Dracula 5
Dragonriders of Pern 0
Dune 3
East of Eden 1
Ender’s Game 1
Everything is Illuminated 1
Exorcist, The 6
Fahrenheit 451 10
Fight Club 4
Finnegan's Wake 0
Foucault's Pendulum 0
Foundation 2
Frankenstein 2
Gone with the Wind 1
Geek Love 0
Ghost Story 3
Glass Bead Game, The 3
Godfather, The 0
Great Expectations 1
Great Gatsby, The 1
Gulliver's Travels 4
Handmaid's Tale, The 0
Harry Potter 6
Haunting of Hill House, The 3
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, The 4
I Am Legend 5
Interview With The Vampire 3
It 8
Jane Eyre 3
Jaws 1
Journey to the Center of the Earth 2
Jurassic Park 2
Karamazov Brothers, The 2
Kim 2
Liaisons dangereuses, Les 0
Life of Pi 1
Little Women 1
Lolita 4
Long Walk, The 5
Lord Of The Flies 12
Lord of the Rings 6
Lost World, The 3
Lucky Jim 0
Man in the High Castle, The 0
Master and Margarita, The 1
Misérables, Les 3
Monk, The 0
Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, The 0
Musashi 0
Northanger Abbey 3
NOS4A2 0
Notes From Underground 0
Of Mice and Men 5
Old Man and the Sea, The 1
Old Yeller 0
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest 4
On the Beach 0
On the Road 0
Out of the Silent Planet 0
Outsiders, The 4
Pilgrimage: The Book of the People 0
Portnoy's Complaint 0
Princess Bride, The 0
Psycho 2
Rabbit Series 0
Ready Player One 0
Rebecca 0
Red Badge of Courage, The 0
Road, The 4
Robinson Crusoe 2
Room 0
Rosemary's Baby 2
Scarlet Letter, The 3
Silence of the Lambs, The 3
Silmarillion, The 0
Simple Plan, A 0
Shining, The 5
Slaughterhouse-Five 3
Something Wicked This Way Comes 0
Song of Ice and Fire, A 5
Sound and the Fury, The 0
Stand, The 11
Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde 5
Stranger, The 2
Strangers on a Train 1
Taiko 0
Terror, The 3
Thief of Always, The 2
To Kill a Mockingbird 14
Treasure Island 6
Trial, The 1
Turn of the Screw, The 3
War and Peace 1
War of the Worlds 3
Water for Elephants 0
We 1
Where the Red Fern Grows 1
Wind-Up Bird Chronicle 0
Wuthering Heights 3
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we have nominated 133 novels
the leaders are:
To Kill a Mockingbird 14
Lord Of The Flies 12
1984 11
Stand, The 11
Dark Tower, The 10
Fahrenheit 451 10
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, The 8
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (and Through the Looking-Glass) 8
It 8
Catcher in the Rye, The 7
Exorcist, The 6
Harry Potter 6
Lord of the Rings 6
Treasure Island 6
Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leatherstocking James Fenimore Cooper
Second Jane Eyre, East of Eden, Rosemary's Baby, Crime and Punishment, Strangers on a Train, Bonfire of the Vanities, Robinson Crusoe, Something Wicked This Way Comes, Red Badge of Courage, Gone with the Wind, Les Misérables, Great Expectations
I will add one to Rosemary's Baby, having just finished it last week.
If I haven't already voted for Crime and Punishment, I'd like to add one to its tally.
If we're going to have a Cooper novel, then I nominate last of the Mohicans. Just wish I read French.
I also move that as soon as the resolution with the series/ novel discussion is made that we move on to voting.
Sloth Love Chunk
Nominate THE SUN ALSO RISES by Ernest Hemingway.
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I vehemently add a - 1 to the sun also rises. There are a lot of Hemingway to suggest besides that one. For whom the bell tolls comes to mind.
Sloth Love Chunk
Seconding Leatherstocking and The Last Of The Mohicans.
(Funny that just the other day I also thought about nominating one of Cooper's novels, but real life stuff intervened)
I'm currently debating with myself the definition of "Top 100". Are we choosing the most popular, most interesting, most thought-provoking, most touching, or what?
Reason I'm asking is because I'm thinking of nominating Justine by marquis de Sade - not because it is fun or a pleasure to read, or leaves good memories, etc. but solely in the name of justice to the genre. However, I'm not sure it would be right to nominate something that I actually don't like.
If you are going through hell - keep going
Don't nominate something you don't like, just more evidence that the nomination phase is complete.
Sloth Love Chunk
We're trying to nominate 200 so that we can eliminate half. I think about half of the novels we have so far are not too good, really, so the plan makes sense.
Last of the Mohicans is a great novel. The rest of the series makes it even better.
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