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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie View Post
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    By the way Frankie what are your thoughts on booksellers who's very purpose is to buy books at a discount and sell for a profit? Are they sleazy as well?
    Your rationalizations are getting increasingly ridiculous, and they were pretty bad to begin with. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.
    Yes listen to Frankie and give up.

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    We get it. You don't like flippers. That's fine. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.
    Well I for one, totally agree with Frankie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrowley View Post
    I have no problem with debating with you Frankie but what sets you and T-Dogz apart from others is that you act like such assholes when you disagree with someone. Why does everything have to be personal just because we disagree?
    Isn't that the trend in society anyways. Everyone is so sensitive, that they cant go a day without getting offended. Everyone is better than the next person. Your time is more precious than my time. You deserve that lane before me because you drive a better car.....blah, blah, blah.

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    T-Dogz, do you have anything to contribute to the discussion other than standing on the sidelines and doing the equivalent of shouting "fight, fight" ?
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    By the way Frankie what are your thoughts on booksellers who's very purpose is to buy books at a discount and sell for a profit? Are they sleazy as well?
    Your rationalizations are getting increasingly ridiculous, and they were pretty bad to begin with. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.
    We get it. You don't like flippers. That's fine. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.
    If you'll look through the thread, you'll notice that I initially merely stated my opinion, crowley was the one that started whining because peoples opinions differed from his. I'm more than content to let it lie, but I'm also not going to let Crowley get away with spouting nonsense as the final world on the subject. He wants to keep making lame rationalizations, I'll keep pointing out that they're lame.

    I wasn't trying to rationalize anything, I legitimately wanted to know your thoughts and you responded in a very aggressive and condescending manner. Thanks!
    Aggressive like telling someone they're whining, telling someone to be careful about what they say, and that they're paving the road to hell?

    Your question is ridiculous. Either you're not thinking at all and just want to argue, or you're not thinking at all because you just want to rationalize your position out of self interest.

    If I buy a book from Betts he's doing a service for the seller that doesn't want to deal with selling a hundred books individually, and also doing me a service by putting me in contact with a seller that I might never have come in contact with. He's adding value.

    If I buy a book from a B&M store, I get to examine the book in person and make sure it's exactly what I want, plus don't have to worry about shipping problems or packing problems. Added value.

    If I buy a book from Abes it's hoped that I'm dealing with a professional that's at least moderately competent in grading and packing and isn't going to rip me off, rather than some random eBay schlub, many of whom are incompetent if not downright dishonest. Added value.

    Buying a Carrie Lettered and putting on eBay the next day for 2 grand over list is adding no value whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrowley View Post

    Did you miss the part where you called people sleazy ? It was before that post. I should not have taken the bait but clearly you have a short memory
    He didn't call people sleazy, he called the act of flipping sleazy... But of course, if you feel particularly sensitive with the term 'sleazy', then maybe it was a bit too close to home eh?

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    Well I didn't want to get involved in this "messy" conversation because honestly I could care less what someone does with their copy. There is always a mark up from production to end user so however it gets there is all the same to me.

    I do feel I have to stick up for Mistercrowley here though for those who think he is sleazy or simply a profiteer. I recently purchased an item from him for about $170 under market price. He could have gotten more from me for the book and he declined that. So I don't think he fits the mold of evil profiteer that some may think here.

    I think a lot of us look at collecting from both the aesthetic and investment aspect, I know I do. If he wants to buy the book, hold it in his hands, admire it and then pass it on immediately then so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrowley View Post
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    Be careful because you are calling quite a few king collectors sleazy. Also comes off as a bit whiny. After all if you want something at face value there is nothing stopping you from purchasing it. Your good intentions are very noble, I hear the road to hell is paved with them
    As far as I'm concerned this is the first post that made it personal and also was basically entirely argumentative. Practically trolling. Maybe we can make a poll or something, because from where I'm standing you're the one being the asshole here.

    Did you miss the part where you called people sleazy ? It was before that post. I should not have taken the bait but clearly you have a short memory
    Did I call you sleazy? I didn't call anyone sleazy. I said a practice was sleazy, not a person, hence not personal. If we can't discuss how we feel about the practice without you whining about it being personal, how can there be any debate at all?

    You're going to take anything that anyone says that's negative about flipping personally because you're a flipper. You can't put that on me.

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    Honestly I'm just going to give up trying to have a conversation with you. I don't need to rationalize anything. I'm going to do what I want to do regardless of what you think. When you called the act of simply purchasing to make a profit I initially took offense and called you whiny was not nice and for that I do apologize. That's the last I'll say to you.

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    ... And yet another conversation gets out of control when RF isn't here to moderate!! Hopefully he's back soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroppygoblin View Post
    T-Dogz, do you have anything to contribute to the discussion other than standing on the sidelines and doing the equivalent of shouting "fight, fight" ?
    The answer to that appears to be no

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie View Post

    Aggressive like telling someone they're whining, telling someone to be careful about what they say, and that they're paving the road to hell?

    Your question is ridiculous. Either you're not thinking at all and just want to argue, or you're not thinking at all because you just want to rationalize your position out of self interest.

    If I buy a book from Betts he's doing a service for the seller that doesn't want to deal with selling a hundred books individually, and also doing me a service by putting me in contact with a seller that I might never have come in contact with. He's adding value.

    If I buy a book from a B&M store, I get to examine the book in person and make sure it's exactly what I want, plus don't have to worry about shipping problems or packing problems. Added value.

    If I buy a book from Abes it's hoped that I'm dealing with a professional that's at least moderately competent in grading and packing and isn't going to rip me off, rather than some random eBay schlub, many of whom are incompetent if not downright dishonest. Added value.

    Buying a Carrie Lettered and putting on eBay the next day for 2 grand over list is adding no value whatsoever.

    Now that is a reasoned argument. Good post, sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrowley View Post
    Honestly I'm just going to give up trying to have a conversation with you. I don't need to rationalize anything. I'm going to do what I want to do regardless of what you think. When you called myself and others sleazy simply for purchasing to make a profit I initially took offense and called you whiny was not nice and for that I do apologize. That's the last I'll say to you.
    Misrepresenting what I said isn't nice either. Maybe you should lay into webstar also, he thinks its a tad dirty, so by your reasoning he was making it personal and saying that YOU are dirty.

    Look at your first three posts in this (recent) thread. You really think those could be part of a rational reasonable debate? "Don't buy it and it doesn't effect you" and "If it weren't for flippers like me you wouldn't ever get any books on the secondary market"? They're overly sensitive, butthurt, lame rationalizations. Unless everyone in the thread said nothing beyond "I love flippers and am glad for the service they provide" you were going to take it as a personal insult at some point.

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    I enjoy my conversations with webstar. With you and T-Dogz....no. You fly off the handle if there is a question asked or a different opinion given. Questions are considered ridiculous simply because your on the opposite side of the spectrum. Thankfully the majority of people on here are fun to talk without going straight into asshole mode

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrowley View Post
    I enjoy my conversations with webstar. With you and T-Dogz....no. You fly off the handle if there is a question asked or a different opinion given. Questions are considered ridiculous simply because your on the opposite side of the spectrum.
    You can't see any difference between what Betts does and flipping a newly released book immediately on eBay for a large profit?

    REALLY?

    He said it was dirty. I said it was sleazy. You laid into me.

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    I think Jerome would say something like "back on topic." Nothing will ever get resolved about the issue here. Too bad there can't be a duel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MandaBunny View Post
    I think Jerome would say something like "back on topic." Nothing will ever get resolved about the issue here. Too bad there can't be a duel.
    Hear hear. I'll try and behave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mistercrowley View Post
    I enjoy my conversations with webstar. With you and T-Dogz....no. You fly off the handle if there is a question asked or a different opinion given. Questions are considered ridiculous simply because your on the opposite side of the spectrum.
    You can't see any difference between what Betts does and flipping a newly released book immediately on eBay for a large profit?

    REALLY?

    He said it was dirty. I said it was sleazy. You laid into me.

    Further debate is pointless. Let's just stop talking to each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronstg View Post
    Well I didn't want to get involved in this "messy" conversation because honestly I could care less what someone does with their copy. There is always a mark up from production to end user so however it gets there is all the same to me.

    I do feel I have to stick up for Mistercrowley here though for those who think he is sleazy or simply a profiteer. I recently purchased an item from him for about $170 under market price. He could have gotten more from me for the book and he declined that. So I don't think he fits the mold of evil profiteer that some may think here.

    I think a lot of us look at collecting from both the aesthetic and investment aspect, I know I do. If he wants to buy the book, hold it in his hands, admire it and then pass it on immediately then so be it.
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    Originally Posted by Aronstg
    Well I didn't want to get involved in this "messy" conversation because honestly I could care less what someone does with their copy. There is always a mark up from production to end user so however it gets there is all the same to me.

    I do feel I have to stick up for Mistercrowley here though for those who think he is sleazy or simply a profiteer. I recently purchased an item from him for about $170 under market price. He could have gotten more from me for the book and he declined that. So I don't think he fits the mold of evil profiteer that some may think here.

    I think a lot of us look at collecting from both the aesthetic and investment aspect, I know I do. If he wants to buy the book, hold it in his hands, admire it and then pass it on immediately then so be it.
    mistercrowley doesn't even like PS Publishing books, let alone be able to admire and appreciate the Lettered copy of Carrie before passing it on. He has been very clear about his inherent distaste for PS Publishing when he shamelessly bashed them a few weeks ago...

    Copies of this book should only be sold to collectors who will treasure it and truly appreciate its value.

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    There are people on this site who, according to their posts, will buy or attempt to buy multiple copies of a S/L edition in order to sell the extras to compensate for the cost of the one they want to keep.

    I'm not saying this is a bad thing. (Or a good thing). It's a reality.

    But if you disparage "flippers" do you also include folks that scoop up multiple copies to sell at a profit as an offset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdwyer19 View Post
    ... And yet another conversation gets out of control when RF isn't here to moderate!! Hopefully he's back soon!
    They're big boys. They can work out their disagreements.

    Overall, I have enjoyed hearing various parties' opinions on the topic presented to the group.

    Personally, on the minuscule chance that I land a copy in the publisher's sale, I plan to keep it. However I won't pretend that someone couldn't get me to sell it at a high enough price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by divemaster View Post
    There are people on this site who, according to their posts, will buy or attempt to buy multiple copies of a S/L edition in order to sell the extras to compensate for the cost of the one they want to keep.

    I'm not saying this is a bad thing. (Or a good thing). It's a reality.

    But if you disparage "flippers" do you also include folks that scoop up multiple copies to sell at a profit as an offset?
    If there is a limit of one book per household, but someone uses various addresses and different credit cards to buy multiple copies with the intention of scalping people later on... Then yeah, I think they are to be disparaged with great fury!!

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    If there is a limit of one book per household, but someone uses various addresses and different credit cards to buy multiple copies with the intention of scalping people later on... Then yeah, I think they are to be disparaged with great fury!!
    I don't think those that buy to sell could care about what others might think. I run a store and purchase items that I sell at a higher price on the next day. It's a job. And those who don't run a store but do that anyway, well...I don't see the difference. I work to earn money to spend it. They do the same and the only difference is that they don't have a store.
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    If the publisher is willing to sell multiple copies to an individual then to me if you have a problem with that you should take it up with the publisher.
    If you truly believe that a books price is inflated then wait for it to go down, 90% of books you can buy at less then original price, but don't hold your breath if it King.
    Do you have any idea how many times I have planned my day around ordering a King book only to hear someone later whine that they didn't get a chance to buy it. If you missed out it is most likely your own fault, or just bad luck but its no one else's fault. My prized possession is my S/L Legends (also inscribed by Whelan and a full page remarque by Wilson) I called or visited ever bookseller I had a relationship with as soon as I found out about it, and it paid off. Uncle Hugo's came though for me and I even got the membership 10% discount. If anyone want to buy it they better come with a thick roll of Benjamin's.

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    I think the only thing I will "win" on onsale day is the sweet feeling of schadenfreude gained when some of these participants who are honking their horns the loudest fail to purchase one of the 26 copies!
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