Flipping is not sleazy. They spend just as much time logging in trying to buy the book as the next guy (which is all you are out) and then it is their's to do with as they please. Let go of some imagined scenario where a flipper is taking away your book - it is not stealing or dishonest or somehow unethical.
Best of luck to everyone on getting a copy, but any way it shakes out there are going to be some sad folks 5 seconds after this thing goes on sale.
I agree there will be some people that have all the money they can spend ready for this and will be disappointed and then Ebay will have that one for 3 times the priceOriginally Posted by mcdonaldj
The good thing about members here is... yes they flip... BUT they flip fair. Small profit many times AND they buy King books with the profit for their collections for the most part. So... my sourness is not with our members... our members are awesome and I am glad to be part of the talks we all have. Wish this was an S/L (limited like say.. Salems) and we all got a copy to cherish
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Everyone has an equal chance of buying the book at the onsale date and time. If you are one of the lucky ones to obtain a copy, congrats. If you then want to turn around and sell it for twice the price, then congrats again. Making a profit on something you own is legal and nothing to be ashamed of.
I have bought some books and flipped for a small profit, while other times, I have sold extra copies at face value to members who weren't able to get a copy directly. I felt good both times. You can call flipping sleazy or whatever else you choose. The owner can do what he or she wants with their book.
LOL. Yep, it will probably take all of five seconds. In this case, I should go ahead and wake up at 2:30am when it goes on sale. Wake up, log-in, "item is sold out", FUK!, go back to bed....it will all just seem like the briefest of bad dreams in the morning.
Gabriel
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"Victory is sweet even deep in the cheap seats." -Connor Oberst
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I don't recall anyone saying it is illegal, unless you're saying that since it's legal it can't be distasteful or objectionable, which I would heavily disagree with.
There were literally numerous children that didn't get a Wii for Christmas because of flippers in front of their parents in line, and the parents couldn't afford to pay the markup the flippers demanded. You and many other people may think differently, but if I had been one of those flippers, I would be extremely ashamed.
This is the same thing, even though people are more likely to get up in arms about stories involving children and Christmas and less well-to-do parents, than they are about upper middle class guys fighting over a collectible.
Maybe sleazy is too strong of a word, but I absolutely find it distasteful and objectionable. I have had the chance to flip (including the Wii) and I've never taken it. I would rather see the product go to the end user at market price.
I am not a flipper and i am not upper middle class. i use my credit cards and run them up like all good hoosiers do. If i had money i would be doing something really fun with it. and probably be in jail.
I agree with you - but the secondary market allows us to have the books thankfully. I, for one, like many others here I think will never sell their collection unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. I think at that point, once selling for good, is when I would price them at market value. However I have flipped once, recently, with the A Clash of Kings. I did that because I knew I wanted some money to put toward a Stand S/l - so I did it. I sold it for less than market value so I made some money and the guy that bought it paid less than the 1000 dollars they were going for.I don't recall anyone saying it is illegal, unless you're saying that since it's legal it can't be distasteful or objectionable, which I would heavily disagree with.
There were literally numerous children that didn't get a Wii for Christmas because of flippers in front of their parents in line, and the parents couldn't afford to pay the markup the flippers demanded. You and many other people may think differently, but if I had been one of those flippers, I would be extremely ashamed.
This is the same thing, even though people are more likely to get up in arms about stories involving children and Christmas and less well-to-do parents, than they are about upper middle class guys fighting over a collectible.
Maybe sleazy is too strong of a word, but I absolutely find it distasteful and objectionable. I have had the chance to flip (including the Wii) and I've never taken it. I would rather see the product go to the end user at market price.
Hmmm... Classy!
Even more classy!
That statement is nonsense. I own several PC copies of long out of print S/L and Lettered Editions that I have purchased in the last year at the original published price.
Nice. I see you're still a master at making new friends and influencing people...Be careful because you are calling quite a few king collectors sleazy. Also comes off as a bit whiny. After all if you want something at face value there is nothing stopping you from purchasing it. Your good intentions are very noble, I hear the road to hell is paved with them
I missed out when The Shining S/L went on sale. Meanwhile, a member here bought more than one copy, and I was able to work out a deal with him to purchase it. In the end, he made a nice profit, and I got the numbered copy I was hoping for. Everyone wins!
I bought my copy through a third party seller the same way so it all works out
I don't recall anyone saying it is illegal, unless you're saying that since it's legal it can't be distasteful or objectionable, which I would heavily disagree with.
There were literally numerous children that didn't get a Wii for Christmas because of flippers in front of their parents in line, and the parents couldn't afford to pay the markup the flippers demanded. You and many other people may think differently, but if I had been one of those flippers, I would be extremely ashamed.
This is the same thing, even though people are more likely to get up in arms about stories involving children and Christmas and less well-to-do parents, than they are about upper middle class guys fighting over a collectible.
Maybe sleazy is too strong of a word, but I absolutely find it distasteful and objectionable. I have had the chance to flip (including the Wii) and I've never taken it. I would rather see the product go to the end user at market price.
Years from now...some old flipper geezer is gonna die and when they have his estate sale they will find all of his spare bedrooms FILLED with perfectly sealed Mint Condition "Talking ELMO" plush toys from way back. Poor fella. One mans treasure if held to long becomes the same mans deluded trash. An actual true sad story I ran across a while back was that of a California family who collected Beanie Babies like crazy back when it was all a crazy...when good Christian women were meeting strangers in parking lots and swappin BJs for "the rare variant" of whichever beanie babie they were needing. Ok...maybe the last bit was made up (or maybe not...for I'm sure some people will take their deepest darkest shames to their graves!). So anyhoo...the man said that it was an "investment" and that they were gonna send all 3 or 4 of their kids off to college with the $$ after they "FLIPPED" the rare Beanie collectables. The parents would send these kids running into stores and buying multiples of these things. Poor kids. Ok..I realize now that I am now rambling like a madman. It's one of my coworkers bdays today. Ugh...hurry up with this bday cake already!
G
"Absorb the genius of the moment." -Michael Stipe
"Victory is sweet even deep in the cheap seats." -Connor Oberst
NEED:
One For Road Signed Artist Edition, PS Publishing
The Gunslinger Viking proof
Carrie $7.95 Doubleday later printing
BTW...I already promised my sister that I would take her to see Taylor Swift (actually I wouldn't mind seeing her). So, I am ready to "punch-a-scalper" if they try to ruin my day!
-G
"Absorb the genius of the moment." -Michael Stipe
"Victory is sweet even deep in the cheap seats." -Connor Oberst
NEED:
One For Road Signed Artist Edition, PS Publishing
The Gunslinger Viking proof
Carrie $7.95 Doubleday later printing
Except the 751st person that tried to buy one from SP.
See when you buy a book and it arrives at your house - you can, if you wish, take it out back and set it on fire whilst filming it for You Tube.
That would be much more annoying than flipping it for a profit imo
Unless it was a Koontz book of course.,......
Well, I had gone back and forth when they went on sale, and made the choice then not to buy because I didn't like the original art. I regretted my choice after Vincent Chong was announced. But since I had my finger on the mouse almost ready to buy when they were on sale, would that make me #751??Except the 751st person that tried to buy one from SP.
I actually ordered one initially then canceled after I saw Rodriguez s art. Once they picked chong to replace him I ordered one through a third party for significantly more. It happens and I was fine with it. By the way Frankie what are your thoughts on booksellers who's very purpose is to buy books at a discount and sell for a profit? Are they sleazy as well?
Your rationalizations are getting increasingly ridiculous, and they were pretty bad to begin with. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.
We get it. You don't like flippers. That's fine. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.Your rationalizations are getting increasingly ridiculous, and they were pretty bad to begin with. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.
If you'll look through the thread, you'll notice that I initially merely stated my opinion, crowley was the one that started whining because peoples opinions differed from his. I'm more than content to let it lie, but I'm also not going to let Crowley get away with spouting nonsense as the final world on the subject. He wants to keep making lame rationalizations, I'll keep pointing out that they're lame.We get it. You don't like flippers. That's fine. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.Your rationalizations are getting increasingly ridiculous, and they were pretty bad to begin with. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.
I have no problem with debating with you Frankie but what sets you and T-Dogz apart from others is that you act like such assholes when you disagree with someone. Why does everything have to be personal just because we disagree?
As far as I'm concerned this is the first post that made it personal and also was basically entirely argumentative. Practically trolling. Maybe we can make a poll or something, because from where I'm standing you're the one being the asshole here.Be careful because you are calling quite a few king collectors sleazy. Also comes off as a bit whiny. After all if you want something at face value there is nothing stopping you from purchasing it. Your good intentions are very noble, I hear the road to hell is paved with them
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This.
I also fail to see the need for comments to be personal. As the instigator of the debate, I can enjoy both sides of the argument but NOT when the response becomes infantile.
"A real limited edition, far from being an expensive autograph stapled to a novel, is a treasure. And like all treasures do, it transforms the responsible owner into a caretaker, and being a caretaker of something as fragile and easily destroyed as ideas and images is not a bad thing but a good one...and so is the re-evaluation of what books are and what they do that necessarily follows." - Stephen King
If you'll look through the thread, you'll notice that I initially merely stated my opinion, crowley was the one that started whining because peoples opinions differed from his. I'm more than content to let it lie, but I'm also not going to let Crowley get away with spouting nonsense as the final world on the subject. He wants to keep making lame rationalizations, I'll keep pointing out that they're lame.We get it. You don't like flippers. That's fine. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.Your rationalizations are getting increasingly ridiculous, and they were pretty bad to begin with. Just give it up and realize that not everyone thinks the way you do.
I wasn't trying to rationalize anything, I legitimately wanted to know your thoughts and you responded in a very aggressive and condescending manner. Thanks!
As far as I'm concerned this is the first post that made it personal and also was basically entirely argumentative. Practically trolling. Maybe we can make a poll or something, because from where I'm standing you're the one being the asshole here.Be careful because you are calling quite a few king collectors sleazy. Also comes off as a bit whiny. After all if you want something at face value there is nothing stopping you from purchasing it. Your good intentions are very noble, I hear the road to hell is paved with them
Did you miss the part where you called people sleazy ? It was before that post. I should not have taken the bait but clearly you have a short memory
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