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  • Roland is his dinh. He belongs to him.

    9 9.68%
  • Because of Jake - that's what he asked from him.

    71 76.34%
  • Because of ka - ka forces Oy to choose Roland.

    9 9.68%
  • Something else.

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    Bethany - what is it about Oy that annoys you/that you dislike?

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    Oy starts to Susannahs door, I think he "kens" his destiny then for some odd reason Susannahs says what Jake says when Roland dropped (sacrificed) him "There are other worlds than these". This is when Oy stepped back from the door and went to Roland. Could be that Oy "remembered the face of his master" (Jake, and Jakes request to stay with Roland)
    Or,, Could it mean that Oy precient the future and knew his destiny and made his choice to enter the clearing to be by Jakes side again in another world?
    If you follow Oy, you will see he does not eat for the next few days, like he feels his fate. Roland snaps at him, thinks Oy is just wishing he went with Susannah, but we know this is not why Oy is not eating.

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    I totally agree airgirl (and welcome to the site btw)--I think Oy had a sense of responsibility towards Jake and Jake told him to say.

    The Tower and all else could go to hell in a hand basket as far as he was concerned but Jake told him to stay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    I totally agree, that was the last thing Jake asked him to do.

    "take care of Roland"

    I fully believe he would have stayed right there at the graveside forever otherwise.
    I believe this, too.
    If Jake hadn't given Oy a purpose in life, he would have laid down with his head on his paws and waited to die next to 'ake.

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    who are the other two freaks who voted "Roland is his dinh"?

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    And we have no ka choices... interesting and shocking. When it's about a nice animal people seem realistic.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Oy, as one of the ka-tet fascinates me. In a world (mid world) where people and animals have mutated - I tend to hold the belief that Oy is a mutant also, but to a higher plane.
    First, he was shunned from his group of bumblers, which we are led to believe are social animals. Kicked out because he was "different". Yes, he's an animal, but he evolved into something more, not really on a human plane but something quite special indeed. I don't think his type of intelligence could be measured by human standards.
    First his speech though limited (being a bumbler after all), he seems to understand all that is happening around him, just can't verbalize. Second, he appears to have some telepathic abilities that are greater than animals usually have. Third at the end, he appears to have an inkling of his fate, sort of a psychic abliity as well.
    Though his loyalty to Jake was unquestioned, I do think he knew as well the whole time that Roland (Olan) was his dinh. Oy is complex and multi faceted. If anyone is re-reading the books, pay attention to Oy and how cleverly SK puts in the one word Oy says every now and then yet that one word says volumes about what Oy is thinking at the time. SK can ramble, but in Oy, his restraint makes Oy one of the most interesting characters in the series.
    In my opinion, Oy is the purest member of the Ka-tet. By giving up his life for his Dinh whether at the request of Jake or because he knew it was what he was supposed to do (his Ka) shows how evolved he was.

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    i think if jake had said to oy "okay, you go over there and sit and wait for me forever" oy would have done it. until the day he died.

    of course he stayed with roland, jake asked him to.

    ake! ake! ake!
    it was all about ake!

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    Oy! Ake! Olan! Ower! (i assume that's how he would say it)

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    Ite! Imson. Ings. Uts! (But alas he didn't get the chance...)

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    Because of Jake, i believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brainslinger View Post
    Ite! Imson. Ings. Uts! (But alas he didn't get the chance...)

    That would have been a great scene with crappy dialogue:
    "Sshole!"
    ~ripping, tearing, shredding~
    "EEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
    ~happy, bloody bumbler grin~

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    For Jake.

    I feel(although he is part of the Ka-tet) Oy is beyond ka. Like some things can be. And all he cares about is Jake, Oy dosnt give a shit about Roland and his tower. Or any other member of the tet.
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    Definitely because it was part of the instructions from Jake as he was dying. Roland was very close to forsaking the Tower to save Jake instead of King after Jake's sacrifice.

    Sorry Ka-tet, but I don't hold to your interpretation that Oy only cares for Jake and nobody else. While it's true that Jake was Oy's closest companion, he loved them all. Why else would Oy lick Roland's hand or bother to say "Olan" as he was dying? He's have just died, making Roland even more miserable that all of his family was gone. Oy jumping in to attack Mordred was his sacrifice. He had a chance to escape before Mordred snapped his spine, but he chose to go to the clearing.

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    Good to have you here Tony. You make some good points about Oy and his choices.

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    Well said Tony A - & welcome to the place.
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    I believe oy choice Roland because that was what jake instructed of him. I think oy just wanted to go to the clearing to be with jake but he would not have disobeyed jake

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    Thanks for the welcome. I can't explain everything going through my head right now. I am recently decided to re-read the entire "Dark Tower" to stop me from buying more books and cluttering my already cluttered bookshelves. I'm currently 75% through "Song of Sussanah" and I must say that I am consumed with feelings I never expected to get from books. It first started with Benny's death during the battle with the wolves. Maybe it's just me, but nothing really showed the contrast of Jake being a child and a gunslinger than that.

    I now find I am thinking about the ka-tet, especially Jake and Oy, several times a day. I don't think it's because I'm sensitive (I am), but more that I read the books the first time over a number of years and now am reading them in a few months.

    It's good to have a place to palaver a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia/susannah View Post
    I believe oy choice Roland because that was what jake instructed of him. I think oy just wanted to go to the clearing to be with jake but he would not have disobeyed jake
    Agreed, but that doesn't preclude him from having feelings for Roland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_A View Post
    1. more that I read the books the first time over a number of years and now am reading them in a few months.

    2. It's good to have a place to palaver a bit.
    1. Yes - a re-read is definitely different than the first-time-round. It all hits you at a different pace.
    2. It is indeed.
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    It was for Jake and for Jake alone that Oy went with Roland.
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    I agree Tony, the books "stay" with you. I love to read, but the DT series I think have made the deepest impression. I went back and just followed Oy throughout all the books and in his simplicity lies a complexity different and I think purer than the other members of the Ka-tet.

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    I agree with that airgirl. I believe Oy was the only member of the Katet that stood for something other than the Tower or Roland.

    It made him very endearing.
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    *looks at the poll*
    It's interesting that so many people believe in ka really hard and blame it so often but a little true-hearted animal's love can beat it easily.

    Roland would have understood.

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