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  • Because of Jake - that's what he asked from him.

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    Default Oy's choice

    I just keep thinking about it...
    When he stays with Roland he chooses Roland instead of Susannah... why does he do that?
    Does he do it for Roland? Or for Jake?
    And does the ka force him?
    For my part I have got a very strong feeling and opinion and I will let you know later.

    Roland would have understood.

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    I think he does it a) for Jake and b) For Ka.

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    He does it very specifically for Jake.

    There's only one place in all the worlds where Oy wants to be at that time, and that's back in the clearing beside Jake. The only reason he ever left there was because Jake asked him to go with Roland. Jake had a premonition of the need Roland would have for Oy before he reached the Tower - maybe he even knew just how bad it was going to be for Oy? But he asked him to go, and so Oy went. And having gone that far Oy was not going to abandon his mission to leave with Susannah - there would have been no joy for him anyway even had he done so - there was no joy in anything for Oy after Jake, only Jake's dying wish... and then death.
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    I totally agree, that was the last thing Jake asked him to do.

    "take care of Roland"

    I fully believe he would have stayed right there at the graveside forever otherwise.
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    I agree. Oy would do anything Jake asked of him and more.
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    Okay, we all agree (so far).
    But it still strange that the little animal stayed because Jake asked him to do so but Susannah didn't however if I remember well Eddie asked the same.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Susannah is a woman in love, who proved that for her love comes before universe, before any dream, before loyalty, before gratitude or friendship, even before honor (may I die horrible death before I blame her for that); while Oy is a born samurai.

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    Oy gave himself to Jake, therefore he'd do anything for him, and that's what Jake asked.

    To me, the was THE MOST TRAGIC, yet completely human thing at the end...and we all pretty much considered Oy human by the end, so for him to dedicate himself like he did...well...as sad as it was, it was love....in the purest form...to serve yourself for who you loved.

    Jake loved Roland and knew he would need help....he loved Oy too, but he knew Oy would be miserable without him....it was a beautiful insight...
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    I think Oy's actions were two-fold. First and foremost I agree with everyone else that Oy's motivation was his command from Jake to remain with Roland. Jake was very much Oy's "master" and so much more. Oy simply would not disobey a command from Jake, especially when he could see it would be the last he'd ever receive. Secondly, I don't think you can rule out ka. I firmly believe it was Oy's ka to be the one to first face Mordred allowing Roland to not be killed by him. Oy was as much a part of the tet as Eddie, Susannah or Jake, and he did as his bumbler ka bid him to the very end. As far as following Suze through the door, Oy's choice was made before that. Once he bid Jake farewell he would only follow Roland, not Suze or anyone else. Jake said Roland and Roland it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Susannah is a woman in love, who proved that for her love comes before universe, before any dream, before loyalty, before gratitude or friendship, even before honor (may I die horrible death before I blame her for that); while Oy is a born samurai.
    Cry your pardon, Jean but where did she prove that???
    I know it's off topic but still...

    Roland would have understood.

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    leaving Roland, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Cry your pardon, Jean but where did she prove that???
    I know it's off topic but still...
    Good question Letti. You know I agree with you in questioning Suze's choices at the end. I'm interested to hear Jean's thoughts on how he thinks love guided her final choice.

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    will someone start a separate thread, then?
    (although I don't think I have much to add. To me it always seemed obvious. I might find arguments, though, when I see other opinions.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by She-Oy View Post
    Oy gave himself to Jake, therefore he'd do anything for him, and that's what Jake asked.

    To me, the was THE MOST TRAGIC, yet completely human thing at the end...and we all pretty much considered Oy human by the end, so for him to dedicate himself like he did...well...as sad as it was, it was love....in the purest form...to serve yourself for who you loved.

    Jake loved Roland and knew he would need help....he loved Oy too, but he knew Oy would be miserable without him....it was a beautiful insight...
    before i die, i hope to have read the series enough times to understand that sentiment and why everyone think susan is so wonderful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    will someone start a separate thread, then?
    (although I don't think I have much to add. To me it always seemed obvious. I might find arguments, though, when I see other opinions.)
    it sounds like it's appropriate for my "why different for susannah" thread.my question, perhaps letti's as well, is why do feel susannah's choice to go through the door was motivated by love? i'm not sure it wasn't, but am equally not sure it was. i know she was repeatedly visited by the vision of eddie & jake in central park, but do you think she knew this is where she'd end up if she forsook the Tower and left Roland? she might have known. i suppose one could also make the case that if that's where she thinks eddie and jake wound up after they died that she might end up there as well so long as she stood true. the reason i started that thread was to try and hash out why she wound up in the same place for making a very different choice than jake, eddie or oy.

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    I have copied your last post to that thread, we'll go on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    will someone start a separate thread, then?
    (although I don't think I have much to add. To me it always seemed obvious. I might find arguments, though, when I see other opinions.)
    Jeans, you can't do this.
    I mean... most of the things I write or argue about here are obvious to me. That's why we are here to share them and to see if others agree or disagree.
    You could make me really happy if you let me know why you think that way.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    will someone start a separate thread, then?
    (although I don't think I have much to add. To me it always seemed obvious. I might find arguments, though, when I see other opinions.)
    Jeans, you can't do this.
    I mean... most of the things I write or argue about here are obvious to me. That's why we are here to share them and to see if others agree or disagree.
    You could make me really happy if you let me know why you think that way.
    check the other thread letti, jean posted something good to explain his thoughts.

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    I don't refuse to give arguments. I can't find any at the moment that wouldn't stick out like sore thumbs throughout the books. It's like, prove that 2*2 equals 4. I think I can, but I wasn't ready to do that.

    (to be continued in Why Different for Susannah thread)

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    Thanks RG, I cannot wait to read it.

    Anyway I am surprised that we have no votes for ka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Thanks RG, I cannot wait to read it.

    Anyway I am surprised that we have no votes for ka.
    I'd have split mine if I could, as I think ka played a part in Oy's choices. I do think the greater part of his motivation was loyalty to Jake, but he stayed with Roland for a pretty long time after Jake's death, and I think ka was the reason. For that matter, I think it was Oy's ka to allow himself to be "mastered" by Jake. I think there's a lot to Oy being the one to face down Mordred's assault, and I don't doubt that it was ka that chose Oy for that task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Thanks RG, I cannot wait to read it.

    Anyway I am surprised that we have no votes for ka.
    I'd have split mine if I could, as I think ka played a part in Oy's choices. I do think the greater part of his motivation was loyalty to Jake, but he stayed with Roland for a pretty long time after Jake's death, and I think ka was the reason. For that matter, I think it was Oy's ka to allow himself to be "mastered" by Jake. I think there's a lot to Oy being the one to face down Mordred's assault, and I don't doubt that it was ka that chose Oy for that task.
    But you couldn't sai and you picked Jake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Anyway I am surprised that we have no votes for ka.
    bwahahaha! that's because we all love and respect Oy too much, and in their secret soul everyone feels that the concept of ka is degrading and not worthy of a good brave human or non-human creature! thank you for this question Nikolett, it was really very telling.
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    I'm surprised Jean didn't vote for "ka" as a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    I'm surprised Jean didn't vote for "ka" as a choice.
    Because you live in another dimension, my friend.

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