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    It has been too long without a new series. There is MUCH to be explored.

    As technology advances, so does the material for this franchise. I truly believe that!

    I cannot wait.
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    A few new things have popped up about the show as of late. The first of which is a discussion by the head of CBS about Trek TV vs Trek movies. Paramount holds the rights to Trek movies. CBS tv holds the rights to the Trek tv series. Which leads one to believe that the new show will not be based in the new 'rebooted' Trek universe. Which would make me very happy. Also, the agreement between the two subsidiaries is that no Trek tv for 6 months after a release of a Paramount Trek movie. Hence the new series not starting until January 2017. This non-compete clause could create issues in the future if a 4th Trek movie is released.

    Also, Nick Myer, the guy who wrote two of the best Star Trek OS movies, is a consulting producer. Which can only be a good thing, imo. Also, Bryan Fuller a Trek tv veteran is going to be in charge of the series.

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    So, I watched American History X last weekend. I watched that because I saw The 25th Hour on HBO with Ed Norton. That led me to AHX, which led me to Jennifer Lein because of her role in AHX and her recent legal issues. That led me to, of course, Star Trek: Voyager.

    I watched the whole series back when it was on in real time on a weekly basis. Overall, the show was disappointing to me. It was the beginning of the end of the Berman era tv, imo. The formulaic stories really became dull and tedious, and the series never lived up to its potential. However, since it ended I haven't watched a single episode. I started watching the series over the weekend beginning with season 4, when Jeri Ryan came on board. I've made it through season 4 and have started on season 5. Hulu is a great thing, I'm glad i signed up for 11.22.63.

    So I have some observations. First, they did 26 episodes a season. That is a lot of content and a lot of episodes to go through. It seems crazy these days when most seasons are 10 or 13 episodes. IMO all those episodes is part of the problem of the low quality of the series. So many episodes are throw away stories that mean nothing. Boring stories that really didn't add to the show nor advance the overall plot of the series.

    Secondly, the series isn't really that bad. There are quite a few gems in the show, and good episodes, good acting performances, etc. I wasn't a big fan of Janeway back when the show was on, but I actually am enjoying Mulgrew's acting and her role in the show now. I can't say the same for every character, but there are bright spots in the show. Also, as I rewatch these, I am remembering where I was and what I was doing when I watched these live the first time. That was a much different time in my life and watching these has helped me to recapture that.

    I still don't like the design of the ship. And I still do not like the whole 'let's blow up half the ship in act 2 and then have everything back to normal in act 3' thing. That really started with TNG, but it kinda worked in the 80s and early 90s. TV advanced, story telling advanced, and Star Trek tv did not.

    IMO that is why Enterprise failed, they did not learn, adapt or advance. TV in the early 00s really advanced and story telling improved. Star Trek's staleness was due to Rick Berman's leadership, imo. But I am hopeful that with new leaders and new stories and the advances made in storytelling over the last 10 years the new series will be better. I hope that CBS is serious about making the show good and really trying for a hit.

    Meanwhile, I will continue with my rewatch of Voyager and maybe Enterprise next. My all time favorite is DS9.

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    As to The decor...did the ADA cause them to hire a color blind decorator?? What's with all the mint/frost green shades. While the mint/frost green shades are fine; I feel they clash badly with the red command uniforms as well as the off yellow engineering uniforms. Even Paris' "obsession ship" had these shades! ... The Captain's quarters ect.
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    Oh and the "pre=series "Enterprise" with the purple/ royal blue jumpsuit was a better show. Look what they did with Jolene Blalock's wardrobe!!...tasty!!!
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    Good to hear... I don't want a reboot anyway. Technology has expanded the mind ffar since the last Star Trek series or movie. I will happily wait for the non-compete clause to expire from the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    As to The decor...did the ADA cause them to hire a color blind decorator?? What's with all the mint/frost green shades. While the mint/frost green shades are fine; I feel they clash badly with the red command uniforms as well as the off yellow engineering uniforms. Even Paris' "obsession ship" had these shades! ... The Captain's quarters ect.
    I was thinking about all the teal green in the show just the other day. Can't stand the conference room table with that horrible green color.

    Enterprise was promising but then they started with the year long story tracking down the aliens that attacked earth. That really led the show astray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    As to The decor...did the ADA cause them to hire a color blind decorator?? What's with all the mint/frost green shades. While the mint/frost green shades are fine; I feel they clash badly with the red command uniforms as well as the off yellow engineering uniforms. Even Paris' "obsession ship" had these shades! ... The Captain's quarters ect.
    I was thinking about all the teal green in the show just the other day. Can't stand the conference room table with that horrible green color.

    Enterprise was promising but then they started with the year long story tracking down the aliens that attacked earth. That really led the show astray.

    Yes...I'd forgotten about the conference table...and the chairs! UGH!

    I see your point about chasing down the Xindi, but to the show's credit, it DID move beyond that...eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
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    As to The decor...did the ADA cause them to hire a color blind decorator?? What's with all the mint/frost green shades. While the mint/frost green shades are fine; I feel they clash badly with the red command uniforms as well as the off yellow engineering uniforms. Even Paris' "obsession ship" had these shades! ... The Captain's quarters ect.
    I was thinking about all the teal green in the show just the other day. Can't stand the conference room table with that horrible green color.

    Enterprise was promising but then they started with the year long story tracking down the aliens that attacked earth. That really led the show astray.

    Yes...I'd forgotten about the conference table...and the chairs! UGH!

    I see your point about chasing down the Xindi, but to the show's credit, it DID move beyond that...eventually.
    The last year was much improved. But by then the show was already on the chopping block.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdman View Post
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    As to The decor...did the ADA cause them to hire a color blind decorator?? What's with all the mint/frost green shades. While the mint/frost green shades are fine; I feel they clash badly with the red command uniforms as well as the off yellow engineering uniforms. Even Paris' "obsession ship" had these shades! ... The Captain's quarters ect.
    I was thinking about all the teal green in the show just the other day. Can't stand the conference room table with that horrible green color.

    Enterprise was promising but then they started with the year long story tracking down the aliens that attacked earth. That really led the show astray.

    Yes...I'd forgotten about the conference table...and the chairs! UGH!

    I see your point about chasing down the Xindi, but to the show's credit, it DID move beyond that...eventually.
    The last year was much improved. But by then the show was already on the chopping block.
    Yes... it mercifully stopped short of a lesbian affair with T'Pol and Hoshi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    It has been too long without a new series. There is MUCH to be explored.

    As technology advances, so does the material for this franchise. I truly believe that!

    I cannot wait.
    It's good to hear you're pleased. I remember us talking about its absence compared to the revival of "Doctor Who" -- another marker for how long it's been.

    I'm excited, too, and even excited about the new movie... although I feel guarded about it at the same time. My father warned me the first reboot was no good, but I went to see it anyway. He's an old school Trekkie, but after all did not even really care for TNG, which is ridiculous. He wanted to like the new version, but I somehow thought he just didn't give it a fair chance. And then, after throwing my good money after his bad, I still got up my hopes again for the sequel. Maybe I'm just gullible that that further disappointment doesn't still restrain interest in the next one. I just read Simon Pegg saying specifically that it's an improvement. His Scotty and Karl Urban's portrayal of McCoy are elements of those two films I really did enjoy. I guess with both that and this show, odds are at least one new ST product will not completely stink. :fingerscrossed:

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    I was surprised at the style of the artwork...I like it. Thank you for sharing.


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    Depressing news:

    http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-v...-nine-blu-ray/
    CBS recently announced that Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Star Trek: Voyager were going to be reissued on DVD, leaving many fans to wonder why these shows wouldn’t join the original Star Trek, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and Star Trek: Enterprise on Blu-ray. Unfortunately, there isn’t a simple answer to this question and the details are going to bum out any fan hoping for a ray of high definition hope. Thanks to a new interview though, we now know exactly why these shows will probably never get proper HD restorations.

    Go ahead and go grab a snack or a drink, because this Trek News interview with Robert Meyer Burnett, the writer, director, producer and editor of the special features on those amazing Star Trek: The Next Generation Blu-ray sets, is a long one. And you’d better make it a sweet snack or an alcoholic drink, because it’s also a depressing one. I’ve included the basic details below, but I do recommend that you read the whole thing for every detail – it’s fascinating.

    Here’s the short version: Deep Space Nine and Voyager, like The Next Generation, were shot on 35mm film. However, all three shows were scanned to videotape for editing and post-production because high definition televisions didn’t exist and there was no point for shows to actually, you know, look good at the time. This meant that beautiful, colorful, crisp footage of each show existed in storage while the only finished versions were crummy videos at NTSC resolution:

    In the mid-1980s, the advent of cheaper and cheaper computing technology allowed video post-production to grow more and more sophisticated. Now, a new post-production methodology, once existing only for shows originating on videotape, like soap operas and talk shows, could now be applied to shows shot originally on film. A program could be shot on 35mm film, but instead of editing on film and then cutting negative, the original 35mm material footage would instead be scanned to videotape — at NTSC resolution, and the rest of the post-production process, editing, mixing, etc., would then be completed on tape, at a reduced cost. However, NO FILM NEGATIVE WAS CUT, so the final product would only exist on videotape, at NTSC’s greatly reduced video resolution and color. True blacks, stable reds and rich blues simply didn’t exist on videotape. Those shows originally shot on 35mm, with a 20 megapixel resolution, were never to be seen again if finished on tape.

    So the task of bringing The Next Generation to high definition was downright Herculean – the remastering process meant tracking down the 35mm negative for all 178 episodes of the series and literally reconstructing every episode from scratch, using the video edits as a guide. In other words…it was a difficult, arduous process that cost a lot of money and took years to finish:

    So a radical notion was proposed…why not go back to the original negative and REBUILD the entire show, from from the ground up, in High Definition? In the history of television, this had never been done before. Essentially, all 178 episodes of TNG (176 if you’re watching the original versions of “Encounter at Farpoint” and “All Good Things”) would have to go through the entire post-production process AGAIN. The original edits would be adhered to exactly, but all the original negative would have to be rescanned, the VFX re-composed, the footage re-color-timed, certain VFX, such as phaser blasts and energy fields, recreated in CG, and the entire soundtrack, originally only finished in 2 channel stereo, would be remastered into thunderous, 7.1 DTS.

    And if you’ve seen the Next Generation Blu-rays, you know that they look nothing short spectacular. Like the high definition restorations of the original series, it looks like a whole new show. Seeing The Next Generation look cinematic rather than fuzzy and cheap is mind-blowing. It’s one of the great accomplishments in all of film and television restoration, period.

    Unfortunately, the Blu-ray sets arrived as streaming was starting to take hold and physical media sales began to dwindle. The sets underperformed and audiences simply made do with the standard definition episodes available to stream on Netflix. Restoring Deep Space Nine and Voyager, which were never as popular as The Next Generation, would be the equivalent of throwing millions of dollars into a black hole. There aren’t even plans to restore the shows for streaming purposes.

    Burnett did note that it would be possible to restore Deep Space Nine and Voyager, noting that tests have been done and they look great. Time and money are the issue:

    During the latter seasons of the TNG restoration, Mojo, one of the original, Emmy-Winning VFX artists on Voyager, who, at the time, was still in possession of many of the original DS9 and Voyager VFX assets, did a re-rendering VFX test on footage from “The Sacrifice of Angels.” The test really looked spectacular, and proved it could be done. But again, it would still take very talented VFX artists working long hours to accomplish the number of shots required for the episodes at great cost.

    This is all very unfortunate. While never as popular as the other shows, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is my favorite of the series and quite possibly the finest science fiction series ever created (yeah, I said it). I’m more lukewarm on Star Trek: Voyager, but this whole franchise is a cultural institution that deserves to be treasured. Even the weaker stuff deserves to be seen in the best possible way.

    The silver lining here is that these shows aren’t going to vanish. We’ll always be able to watch them in some capacity. They’ll just look like garbage. At least Star Trek: Discovery is on the way to hopefully tend to our woes.

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    This may turn out to be an excellent choice!!!


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    I just rewatched all of DS9 over the last six months or so.....they're running it and all the other Star Trek Series (including the animated series) on a new cable network called H&I (Heroes and Icons).

    All in all...I think it still holds up.

    I think I may do the same with Enterprise .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tippy4 View Post
    I just rewatched all of DS9 over the last six months or so.....they're running it and all the other Star Trek Series (including the animated series) on a new cable network called H&I (Heroes and Icons).

    All in all...I think it still holds up.

    I think I may do the same with Enterprise .....
    Yup..I prefer Enterprise, but DS9 is great...rich charters.

    Plus Enterprise has Jolene Blaylock... better than Ryan. LOL (As if Ryan is chopped liver. LOL)
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    So did anyone watch Discovery? Got it DVRed, will try to get to it this weekend. Reviews sound good.

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    Watched it live, it was alright. I didn't care for Michael, the lead character. I can't watch any future episodes anyways. They will only be available on the CBS app for a cost and I'm not that interested in paying to continue. But I would say that the production value seems to be pretty high quality. I was a fan of TNG a long time ago, but hadn't watched any of the other ones. So I may not be the best judge of how this series compares.
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