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    Default The doors - the bodies the souls and some philosophia

    What happens to the left bodies at the door? What happens to the owners' mind? What are the rules?
    Let's imagine that Roland is in Eddie's mind and a lobstrosity eats his whole body but Roland can't come back to protect himself because of this or that?
    Would Roland stay in Eddie's mind forever? Or would he die?

    Roland would have understood.

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    A good question....

    In the example you give, given what we know of Roland - I think he would take over and try to get 'his' new body back through any door, anywhere, to resume his quest for the Tower. Eddie's mind would be doomed to either a back-seat in his own body or eventual ... cessation? - give up & leave the body to Roland.

    To answer the main question. I think those bodies left at the door are just empty husks.
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    So do you say the person's mind is still alive after their heart stopped bumping at the other side?

    Roland would have understood.

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    one of my very favorite places:

    You could live in this body, gunslinger, the voice of the man in black whispered deep inside his head. Leave that piece of breathing meat over there for the lobster-things. It's only a husk, anyway.
    He would not do that. For one thing it would be the most murderous sort of thievery, because he would not be content to be just a passenger for long, looking out of this man's eyes like a traveller looking out of a coach window at the passing scenery.
    For another, he was Roland. If dying was required, he intended to die as Roland.
    He would die crawling toward the Tower, if that was what was required.

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    But Jean, do you trust Randall? I believe none of his words or whispers.
    Maybe he sent these thoughts to Roland to kill him because he would have died immadiately if his boby had stopped working.

    Roland would have understood.

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    On a metaphysical level, I agree with M_of_W, Roland could simply inhabit the body he is currently in and force the owner into the back of their mind, somewhat like Mia did to Susannah. My purely hypothetical question then becomes... Could the Eddie/Roland hybrid find a way to travel to a when where Roland's body is not yet dead and get him back inside himself somehow? Probably best not to think too hard on it.

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    Thanks for the reference Jean - I was thinking King said something but could not recall it.

    Letti - I believe Roland's 'mind' was complete & intact & 'in' Eddie. And would survive there if his body should be lost while he was there. So yes, I guess I believe what Walter said here. After all it would have suited Walter very well - to have Roland 'trapped' on another world while the Tower was vulnerable in his.
    Roland 'preferred' to return to his own body, sick as it was, and crawl to the Tower.
    BUT the question was 'What would he do if his body died - if he could not return to it at all?' - I still say he would have piloted Eddie's body back to the quest somehow! (I mean - we know there were other gateways/doors - including in Maine & New York as we later saw) - he could have got back on the path.
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    Guys... of course he could have led Eddie. That's sure. What I have been thinking for long is what would happen after the death of the body...
    Can our mind exist in another body? Or is our mind tied to our body?
    Hard questions I know.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    But Jean, do you trust Randall? I believe none of his words or whispers.
    No, I don't trust him. Right. On the other hand, we have very little to go on, so that possibility should be considered, too. I have no opinion of my own here, but I'm afraid every surmise will sooner or later lead to paradox. (just an intuition.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    ...My purely hypothetical question then becomes...
    [1] Could the Eddie/Roland hybrid find a way to travel to a when where Roland's body is not yet dead and get him back inside himself somehow?
    [2] Probably best not to think too hard on it.
    [1] I had'nt thought of that possibility - ??
    [2] Damn good advice - but will we take it?? (Would Roland??)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    ......Can our mind exist in another body? Or is our mind tied to our body?
    Hard questions I know.
    In the context of DT & what King gave us? - Yes, the mind could exist in another body, and I believe it would continue to do so if the 'body_at_the_door' died.

    In real life? - well, who wants to know about that poor-reality!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
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    But Jean, do you trust Randall? I believe none of his words or whispers.
    No, I don't trust him. Right. On the other hand, we have very little to go on, so that possibility should be considered, too. I have no opinion of my own here, but I'm afraid every surmise will sooner or later lead to paradox. (just an intuition.)
    You might be right.
    My first thought was that if my body dies my mind has to die as well. It doesn't matter where I am. But I have no logical explanation so it's just a feeling.
    I will keep on thinking about it.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    ......Can our mind exist in another body? Or is our mind tied to our body?
    Hard questions I know.
    In the context of DT & what King gave us? - Yes, the mind could exist in another body, and I believe it would continue to do so if the 'body_at_the_door' died.
    If you look at Mia & Susannah, not only does it show that one mind could exist in another body, wasn't the body eventually becoming the body of the stronger mind? The Susannah-Mio body was becoming more and more Mia's white body as Mia was becoming the dominant personality. Susannah seemed to think eventually the entire body would be Mia and she would simply be a thought in her own head. I believe this is what would happen in Letti's hypothetical.

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    But if the stronger mind can lead the body... and the body tries to be more and more similar to the leader (like Eddie's eyes changed colour so did Susannah's legs) is it possiblethat after a long while Eddie would have looked like Roland?

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    But if the stronger mind can lead the body... and the body tries to be more and more similar to the leader (like Eddie's eyes changed colour so did Susannah's legs) is it possiblethat after a long while Eddie would have looked like Roland?
    Precisely what I think could happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    But if the stronger mind can lead the body... and the body tries to be more and more similar to the leader (like Eddie's eyes changed colour so did Susannah's legs) is it possiblethat after a long while Eddie would have looked like Roland?
    Precisely what I think could happen.
    Ekkk. I hope there isn't a door somewhere out there with my name on it.

    Roland would have understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post

    Ekkk. I hope there isn't a door somewhere out there with my name on it.
    I think the key is, when Roland comes a-calling to go with him as quickly as possible before something happens to him on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_of_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    ... is it possiblethat after a long while Eddie would have looked like Roland?
    Precisely what I think could happen.
    More! - eventually, he would essentially have been Roland! (as in , Roland would have taken over)

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    Ekkk. I hope there isn't a door somewhere out there with my name on it.
    *gets out a sketch pad and starts drawing a door feverishly*
    Letti, how do you spell Nikolett, properly, in Hungarian? :whistle:
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    Khm...how do I spell it?

    This way: Nyycolettea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Khm...how do I spell it?

    This way: Nyycolettea
    Great, great, thanks love.

    Damn, why is it not working?



    //OK - back on topic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    Damn, why is it not working?
    I think you darkled when you should have tincted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Letti View Post
    Khm...how do I spell it?

    This way: Nyycolettea
    Great, great, thanks love.

    Damn, why is it not working?



    //OK - back on topic!
    I just have to wonder where that door went.
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    in a sense i kept thinking when he went through the doors it was his soul or spirit that went through it and as for the great what if thing.. yeah roland would take over and have complete control(like Jack Mort) till he got to a door and probably pull the trick he did to bring eddie in his world except backwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malficeus View Post
    in a sense i kept thinking when he went through the doors it was his soul or spirit that went through it and as for the great what if thing.. yeah roland would take over and have complete control(like Jack Mort) till he got to a door and probably pull the trick he did to bring eddie in his world except backwards
    Gimme that highlighted bit in some more detail Malficeus ?
    (Say sorry - my pooor old brain is slower than usual this morning!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManOfWesternesse View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Malficeus View Post
    in a sense i kept thinking when he went through the doors it was his soul or spirit that went through it and as for the great what if thing.. yeah roland would take over and have complete control(like Jack Mort) till he got to a door and probably pull the trick he did to bring eddie in his world except backwards
    Gimme that highlighted bit in some more detail Malficeus ?
    (Say sorry - my pooor old brain is slower than usual this morning!)
    well i was thinking since he took control of eddie and pulled him through the door by what ever they are inside the head he could pull the same trick but backwards and what ever we want to call them in the heads is their body then Roland would have a new body... idk it was kinda of thought of the moment

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