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    Hope you enjoy it! I'm always pleased to see how well it is still selling nearly eight years later.

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    I'm sure it will be a great read, I've been looking forward to it for a long while. I don't know why I waited this long to pull the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSchu22 View Post
    I have your book as well as the Concordance on my Amazon wishlist, your avatar is so small that regrettably, I confused the two. Those are of course great references for King, but the forums tend to be more dynamic and King could ask specific questions or thoughts as OSC did, that's all I'm saying -- not to put down your work as I intend to add it to my own collection.
    I'm not saying King wouldn't use our forums, his own, or some other for reference (I honestly don't know), but I'm pretty sure he doesn't want the direct interaction with fans that you suggested here.


    I am rather certain I won't be getting any "what do you think" PMs from him either.
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    Well, I don't blame him: unfortunately for the rest of us, some of his fans are seriously unmanageable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle View Post
    Well, I don't blame him: unfortunately for the rest of us, some of his fans are seriously unmanageable.
    Yes, it is unfortunate that King does have some of the more difficult fans that he does and obviously some of his novels, especially in the late 80's, were a response to this. It's too bad because like I said, it worked well for other authors, and there is obviously a great resource here.

    ...and not necessarily a PM or anything that personal.

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    Are there any other incarnations of Roland?

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    ...as with multiple Jakes and Flaggs and in the finale as with
    Eddie/Jake/Oy...


    Or is he a beam of the Tower maybe?

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    I think Roland is a singularity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brice View Post
    I think Roland is a singularity.
    I don't.

    Does sound like a pretty good question for the author.
    (Not that SK necessarily grasps the scientific elements.)
    Last edited by pathoftheturtle; 04-30-2012 at 09:29 AM. Reason: re: the fantasy

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    1. Will you ever explain in a later book some of the unanswered questions from DT, like what happened to Dennis and Thomas or Rhea?

    2. Why did you give Flagg the ending that he ultimately got? Was this planned from the beginning? In regards to Flagg's origin in the comics versus the novels, how do you reconcile the two?

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    I would ask him if this is true what I read on Wikipedia

    King views The Dark Tower as a first draft, and plans to rewrite the entire series.[6] The revised edition of the first volume, The Gunslinger, was published in 2003. King is considering removing his fictionalised self when he rewrites the later volumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatts4Life View Post
    I would ask him if this is true what I read on Wikipedia

    King views The Dark Tower as a first draft, and plans to rewrite the entire series.[6] The revised edition of the first volume, The Gunslinger, was published in 2003. King is considering removing his fictionalised self when he rewrites the later volumes.
    It comes from the interview with Neil Gaiman:

    http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2012/0...interview.html

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    I would ask if he would like to edit the series and then release them as a definitive collection. fixing errors and mybe expanding some points. things like why roland remembers a guy named Desmond when he thinks he reached the tower in book 2, also why only in the begining of book 4 does the "thankee-sai" greeting have tapping on the breastbone with the left hand for men, but then not used for men at all through out the rest of the series. and other little things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bev Vincent View Post
    Regarding your question regarding Insomnia, I've always considered that book to be metaphorical rather than a literal Dark Tower book. There's a lot that the Crimson King does that doesn't make any sense in the context of what we later learn about him. According to DT7, it contains messages from King to himself--or to Roland--and is thus symbolic. That's my take, anyway.
    Yeah, but, was it originally intended that way, or did it just become that way as the later car crash-influenced story did not mesh with his original vision of the DT saga?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random321321 View Post
    Yeah, but, was it originally intended that way, or did it just become that way as the later car crash-influenced story did not mesh with his original vision of the DT saga?
    Honestly? I think King was just writing as he went along and didn't know what his plan was. I'd be willing to bet when he wrote Insomnia that he intended for it to be canon--I don't think he would know "I'm going to end up saying that most of this doesn't matter in the long run."

    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond Toren View Post
    I would ask if he would like to edit the series and then release them as a definitive collection. fixing errors and mybe expanding some points. things like why roland remembers a guy named Desmond when he thinks he reached the tower in book 2, also why only in the begining of book 4 does the "thankee-sai" greeting have tapping on the breastbone with the left hand for men, but then not used for men at all through out the rest of the series. and other little things like that.
    King has talked about revising the entire series although who knows if it will happen.

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    In what way was Insomnia not important? In TDT,
    Spoiler:
    the King's fear of Patrick was pretty well justified.
    ...

    I would ask King if he decided that the Territories were set in Mid-World as of Black House.

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    I'd say why the hell did you end it like that, did you just run out of ideas, and whether he'd change it if he could.


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    I'd say why the hell did you end it like that, did you just run out of ideas, and whether he'd change it if he could.

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    This is trivial, but I would ask him why Patricia was blue and Blaine was pink? Was he trying to say something about duality?
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    I wouldn't ask him a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empath of the White View Post
    In what way was Insomnia not important?
    I didn't say that it wasn't important, I said that much of the story no longer matters after the final Dark Tower novel.

    As Bev says, much of the story doesn't make sense anymore. King goes out of his way to disregard much of what Insomnia presented as fact; that the Crimson King is locked at the top of the Tower, that Patrick Danville must die saving two people important to the Tower, etc. These are all major details of the book.

    And what I said was, I don't think King intended that when he initially wrote Insomnia, that he would end up saying "This story is not what you think it was, it's not meant to be taken literally."

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    I didn't say that it wasn't important, I said that much of the story no longer matters after the final Dark Tower novel.

    As Bev says, much of the story doesn't make sense anymore. King goes out of his way to disregard much of what Insomnia presented as fact; that the Crimson King is locked at the top of the Tower, that Patrick Danville must die saving two people important to the Tower, etc. These are all major details of the book.

    And what I said was, I don't think King intended that when he initially wrote Insomnia, that he would end up saying "This story is not what you think it was, it's not meant to be taken literally."
    I disagree here, the story matters very much to the Dark Tower series. I mean, what is actually disregarded from Insomnia?

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    The Crimson King being locked at the top of the Tower? Well, Insomnia doesn't actually say this (its implied through a childs picture) but even so, all you need to do is read Black House to know why it's not contradicted (and throw in DT 4.5 and DT 5 for confirmation on Black House's info).

    Or Patrick dies saving two people important to the Tower? We know how fickle prophecy is via Mordred's prophecy in book 7 (which if anything is even more fickle than the one in Insomnia). After all, the one in Insomnia actually says only one of the two people is important and it states no time limit - Patrick can save the other guy and die well after DT 7. It states he dies after these people are saved, not whilst they are being saved.

    The main point of the novel, that Patrick must live for the Tower to stand, is very much an important aspect to the Dark Tower mythos.

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    I concur wholly.
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    If that was the case, then King didn't need to devote entire pages in the last novel to how we shouldn't take Insomnia at face value and that its meaning is more metaphorical than literal events that are important to the story or that King's message was "muddled" when he wrote it and that he often lapses into "gibberish" when writing about the Dark Tower.

    He could have just established it as actual events like Callahan's or Brautigan's backstories and mention that the prophecy could be changed or etcetera. I.E. Brautigan recapped what happened in Hearts and continued from that, it wasn't "You shouldn't take this story on face-value, it could just as easily be gibberish."

    It's still important but clearly it's not intended to be taken as-is anymore.

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    Your idea about the Wizard's Rainbow being used to defeat Flagg is neat, Cyber.

    I'd like to ask King if he ever realized that, in creating Mordred and Dandelo, he provided two contenders for the role of the "Beast" that was erased from his revision of The Gunslinger. One was literally a guard in the way, the other was a key to entering the Tower.

    I'd also ask if his idea about the children and the Forge in Black House was something he'd been tossing around as an inclusion in the later books before Straub expressed interest in tying the Jack Sawyer novels to the Tower Cycle.

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    If that was the case, then King didn't need to devote entire pages in the last novel to how we shouldn't take Insomnia at face value and that its meaning is more metaphorical than literal events that are important to the story or that King's message was "muddled" when he wrote it and that he often lapses into "gibberish" when writing about the Dark Tower.

    He could have just established it as actual events like Callahan's or Brautigan's backstories and mention that the prophecy could be changed or etcetera. I.E. Brautigan recapped what happened in Hearts and continued from that, it wasn't "You shouldn't take this story on face-value, it could just as easily be gibberish."
    It's clear from the passage that the only two things that were cast in doubt about Insomnia were the Red King's position on the Tower and the prophecy. And the Tet corp is saying this before they get their hands on key info from Black House, Wolves of the Calla, and Wind in the Keyhole, all of which reinforce Insomnia's implication about the Red King.

    Remember, this scene wasn't addressed to one book alone, it was addressed to ALL of Kings books, before focusing on Insomnia. So any of your concerns about the literal events of Insomnia are actually repeated for other books such as Salem's Lot and Hearts in Atlantis. And, as you point out, we know from the Dark Tower series that these books occurred as we read them. So what is actually different about Insomnia? Nothing.

    Lets see what else is discounted in Insomnia:

    Spoiler:
    Is it the short-time/long-time/all-time cosmic system? No, because Mia makes reference to becoming a short-timer in Song of Susannah. Is it the auras and deathbags caused by the bald doctors? No, because Stephen King has a deathbag around him in DT6 and 7. Is it Patrick himself? No, for obvious reasons. Is it the other characters? I'd say no, because they are referenced in the DT series itself (eg "Patrick, Son of Sonia"). Is it Patrick's importance to the quest? No, for obvious reasons. Etc.

    Later in the same book Rando Thoughtful states that all the worlds Stephen King writes about and touches with his mind are real. He makes no exception for Insomnia.

    The Tet scene was telling us that any info in these books is not necessarily going to be helpful to Roland's quest because it is masked or means nothing. For example, in Insomnia we get all this info about the different levels of reality....but it means nothing to Roland, it has no bearing on his quest. The prophecy from Insomnia means nothing because it is masked, as Mordred's prophecy was in DT7. The Dark Tower stuff in Rose Madder is masked (we dont know who or what Rose Madder is, only she/it is in Mid-World) and ultimately means nothing to Roland's quest.

    But this doesn't mean these events didn't happen. It just means that what we have learned is ultimately useless for Roland (being the practical man that he is).


    In fact, this might be a very relevant question for Stephen King .

    Regarding the scene in DT7 with the Tet Corporation, does this mean the events of Insomnia take place or not? Equally, as the scene is about all works of Stephen King, do any other non-Dark Tower novels take place or not?

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