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    Again, my impression from DT7 is not that the events didn't happen, just that they didn't occur in the reality of DT as they did in the book. I.E. the Crimson King still tried to kill Patrick Danville, Ralph Roberts dies, etc but various details were muddled when King "transcribed" them. I'm pretty sure that King would say the same thing.

    But my initial point was that Random321321 asked if King intended it to be that way, and my answer was, no I don't think he did. I don't think when King wrote Insomnia he knew that A.) the Crimson King wouldn't be stuck on the top of the Tower and B.) that Patrick wouldn't die after saving two people.

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    Of course not. I phrased my question poorly. What I really want to know is: what was the vague outline that King had in mind in which the events of Insomnia would be fully correct?

    Once he called Insomnia a "mind-trap", I knew that he had just given himself permission to alter the story however he wanted to, and any time I spent thinking about the details in Insomnia was essentially wasted. I still think that car crash might have been the worst thing to happen to the Dark Tower.

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    Remember what he wrote into the books about people begging and cajoling "How's it going to end?! How's it going to end?!" And yet even now we're saying "Well, how would it have ended, if things had been different? Huh, Mr. King?! Huh?!"

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    Again, my impression from DT7 is not that the events didn't happen, just that they didn't occur in the reality of DT as they did in the book. I.E. the Crimson King still tried to kill Patrick Danville, Ralph Roberts dies, etc but various details were muddled when King "transcribed" them. I'm pretty sure that King would say the same thing.

    But my initial point was that Random321321 asked if King intended it to be that way, and my answer was, no I don't think he did. I don't think when King wrote Insomnia he knew that A.) the Crimson King wouldn't be stuck on the top of the Tower and B.) that Patrick wouldn't die after saving two people.
    Ah, I should apologise. I thought you were meaning that all the events were discounted from canon. Got the wrong end of the stick there and cry your pardon.

    Yeah, I think it was written in to get around any discrepancies that readers may not be able reconcile. Thats not to say they cant be though but such theories are for different threads .

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    How can anything be canon when there are infinite worlds?
    People are always talking about truth.Everybody knows what the truth is,like it was toilet paper or somethin...All there is is bull*...One layer of bullshit on top of another...what you do in life...pick the layer of bull* that you prefer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by beam*seeker View Post
    How can anything be canon when there are infinite worlds?
    Yet another cop out along the lines of "the world has moved on" so such and such wasn't a continuity error.

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    I'd ask what was before the tower?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Random321321 View Post
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    How can anything be canon when there are infinite worlds?
    Yet another cop out along the lines of "the world has moved on" so such and such wasn't a continuity error.
    There is a Tower which stands at the nexus of time. The serpent swallows it's own tail. I mean, seriously: how can you measure a work of fiction with conventions of pop culture traditions such as crossover continuity when it happens to be a work created for the clear purpose of measuring those very conventions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle View Post
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    How can anything be canon when there are infinite worlds?
    Yet another cop out along the lines of "the world has moved on" so such and such wasn't a continuity error.
    There is a Tower which stands at the nexus of time. The serpent swallows it's own tail. I mean, seriously: how can you measure a work of fiction with conventions of pop culture traditions such as crossover continuity when it happens to be a work created for the clear purpose of measuring those very conventions?
    Yes, that's what King wants you to accept. It's a clever move, but I ultimately feel it's just laziness in disguise. It's not even original, Cervantes pulls the same move in Don Quixote part 2 to explain a continuity error in part 1: oh these are translations of accounts of non-reliable witnesses, etc... And of course, the whole story is about fiction and it's affect on reality.

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    Some other questions:

    1. Do you plan on exploring Flagg's character in greater depth in any future works? (like his backstory as Walter Padick)

    2. What were Marten's feelings for Gabrielle? Did they go beyond using her and/or lust?

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    The one that has bugged me since reading SOS, is Why does Roland Tap his throat three times before crossing open water?

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    Why did Flagg have such a pussy death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random321321 View Post
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    How can anything be canon when there are infinite worlds?
    Yet another cop out along the lines of "the world has moved on" so such and such wasn't a continuity error.
    There is a Tower which stands at the nexus of time. The serpent swallows it's own tail. I mean, seriously: how can you measure a work of fiction with conventions of pop culture traditions such as crossover continuity when it happens to be a work created for the clear purpose of measuring those very conventions?
    Yes, that's what King wants you to accept. It's a clever move, but I ultimately feel it's just laziness in disguise. It's not even original, Cervantes pulls the same move in Don Quixote part 2 to explain a continuity error in part 1: oh these are translations of accounts of non-reliable witnesses, etc... And of course, the whole story is about fiction and it's affect on reality.
    I am truly split between deciding if it is laziness, a plot device, or some cosmic comment on the nature of reality in general...
    People are always talking about truth.Everybody knows what the truth is,like it was toilet paper or somethin...All there is is bull*...One layer of bullshit on top of another...what you do in life...pick the layer of bull* that you prefer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by beam*seeker View Post
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    How can anything be canon when there are infinite worlds?
    Yet another cop out along the lines of "the world has moved on" so such and such wasn't a continuity error.
    There is a Tower which stands at the nexus of time. The serpent swallows it's own tail. I mean, seriously: how can you measure a work of fiction with conventions of pop culture traditions such as crossover continuity when it happens to be a work created for the clear purpose of measuring those very conventions?
    Yes, that's what King wants you to accept. It's a clever move, but I ultimately feel it's just laziness in disguise. It's not even original, Cervantes pulls the same move in Don Quixote part 2 to explain a continuity error in part 1: oh these are translations of accounts of non-reliable witnesses, etc... And of course, the whole story is about fiction and it's affect on reality.
    I am truly split between deciding if it is laziness, a plot device, or some cosmic comment on the nature of reality in general...
    The cynical side of me wants to say it was laziness and part of his rush to finish the last books and be done with the series as a whole, but I think that even with Bev and Robin's books, it would be hard for him to maintain every single strand of continuity, especially with constant readers like us paying attention.

    I think he realized this difficulty early on (after the several year gaps between some of the books) and wrote this concept in as a way to address all the continuity problems. He may continue to address some of these issues with re-releases, like he did with the Gunslinger, but I'd almost prefer he didn't so we don't go down the George Lucas road.
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