Sesame Street Will Kill Your Kids

[Daghain]

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[Wuducynn]

It's too late to click on your porn links Daghain dear...I'm about to head to bed..

[Daghain]

Your loss. XD

[Wuducynn]

Guess so XD...I like this..its the new code Alpha Foxtrot Charlie Romeo XD over and out.

[Daghain]

[Katet]

It's kind of like a frustrated smilie like + = XD

[Katet]

Are you guys making fun of me? XD lol

[Jimmy]

The problem with today's society is we are expecting cartoons, movies, celebrities, and athletes to raise our children for us. I was raised on tv. I was watching scary movies when I was about 8 or 9. I even saw nudity in movies. No, my parents weren't letting me watch porn or anything, but a bare breast wasn't a big deal. The reason why it wasn't a big deal was because I knew it was only a movie. Only fiction. Only entertainment. People are so fucked up to think Sesame Street may cause their children to eat too many cookies or maybe live in a garbage can one day. Maybe if people would step up and be real parents and talk to their children, they could actually be normal adults one day. But I'm sure it would be much easier to blame all the kid's failures on a PBS show.

It's all connected to the destruction of the family ideal. Parents nowadays really can't spend a lot of time with their kids because they have to work to support them, or they don't have work and the homelife is skewed because of this.

So they expect someone else to do the job for them. They think, "Well I watched this show, so my kids can too." Without actually realizing the concepts of television have changed a lot since they were children. This is why we have teenagers walking around wearing "Scarface" clothing. I see them and just want to say, "Don't you realize he was a coke dealer? He's not a hero!" But I don't want to get killed so I keep my mouth shut.

Adults in the 21st century share the 70's/80's/90's mass family through television effect. I may not know your sister or brother, but we both remember that time that Fonzie jumped over the sharks, when Homer jumped Springfield Gorge and when that town sang a song about Jayne.

Well, maybe a few of us remember that last one. (Showing some Firefly love)

Kids of the 21st century won't have that when they become adults. The ones that can even tie their own shoes will be fewer and further between, and the rest, the children who aren't supposed to be "left behind" will kill the smarter ones and steal their shoes and then spend hours trying in vain to undo the knots, all while hitting the crack pipe.

[Wuducynn]

I see them and just want to say, "Don't you realize he was a coke dealer? He's not a hero!" .

Whats wrong with dealing coke? Not that it makes him a hero, but it also doesn't make him bad either.

[Matt]

Kids of the 21st century won't have that when they become adults. The ones that can even tie their own shoes will be fewer and further between, and the rest, the children who aren't supposed to be "left behind" will kill the smarter ones and steal their shoes and then spend hours trying in vain to undo the knots, all while hitting the crack pipe.

This will happen.

My only change would be that they would keep a few of the shoe tying people around to actually tie the shoes.

I think his point about Scarface was that if you really watch the movie, he was a sad...sad individual that drove himself to madness and died for it.

Not really something to aspire too imo

[Jimmy]

My point about Scarface is this : He came to America, created a lot of crime, killed people and sold a highly addictve, killer drug to other people. He ruined his wife and then his sister, and then killed his best friend in the world. All due to greed, addiction and self-importance End movie.

What's wrong with dealing coke? Is that a trick question or just a question that answers itself?

[Wuducynn]

My point about Scarface is this : He came to America, created a lot of crime, killed people and sold a highly addictve, killer drug to other people. He ruined his wife and then his sister, and then killed his best friend in the world. All due to greed, addiction and self-importance End movie.

What's wrong with dealing coke? Is that a trick question or just a question that answers itself?

He was dirt poor and saw a product that he could make big, big money off of. If there wasn't a big war on trying to stop folks from using a substance that they want, then it wouldn't have been an issue in the first place would it? Look at the government making alcohol illegal during Prohibition, alcohol is a highly addictive drug that if mis-used can ruin lives. The war on that drug CAUSED the crime surrounding it. There was no alcohol associated crime before and after Prohibition.

[Jimmy]

He was dirt poor and saw a product that he could make big, big money off of. If there wasn't a big war on trying to stop folks from using a substance that they want, then it wouldn't have been an issue in the first place would it? Look at the government making alcohol illegal during Prohibition, alcohol is a highly addictive drug that if mis-used can ruin lives. The war on that drug CAUSED the crime surrounding it. There was no alcohol associated crime before and after Prohibition.

I agree with you completely that the war on drugs is one of the main reason for the violence and crime surrounding the selling of product. I'd even go so far as to say that it's my opinion that a great deal of the money goes to the American government who controls the drug trade. But I feel that drugs such as cocaine/crack, meth and heroin have no redeeming values, are highly dangerous and should not be legalized or decriminalized in any way, because I don't think the crime/violence levels would decrease by much if they were.

Because of the incredible amount of addiction these drugs provide, it's almost logical to assume that even if people could walk into the corner store and buy a vial or two, that they wouldn't spend more and more money on it until they were broke enough to consider robbery or murder to get more money, to get more coke/crack/meth/heroin. I almost feel that crime might increase because of lack of secrecy over the drugs' locations.

If a crackhead knew where several shipping boxes of crack were located at a store, what would stop them from robbing the store, stealing the crack and then reselling it back onto the street? We'd be back at square one.

[Jimmy]

Also, Montana was dirt poor, and once he had money, did he stop? No, he was addicted and greedy, nothing to respect in any way.

[Wuducynn]

Except Jimmy, cocaine, heroine/opium and marijuana were ALL legal up until the 20th century. There wasn't some kind of massive addiction problem until the war on drugs. For a long time you could go and pick up heroine and cocaine at your local drug store. Cocaine was one of the ingredients in Coca-Cola

[Wuducynn]

Making them legal means you're opening up the market to them, where they would be safer. They could be sold anywhere and your local drug store would have a lot more incentive to keep them safe than anyone on the black market would.

[Wuducynn]

Also, Montana was dirt poor, and once he had money, did he stop? No, he was addicted and greedy, nothing to respect in any way.

I agree he wasn't a hero. If you noticed I didn't say he was. More of a sad case in point that the drug war ruins lives.

[Jimmy]

Except Jimmy, cocaine, heroine/opium and marijuana were ALL legal up until the 20th century. There wasn't some kind of massive addiction problem until the war on drugs. For a long time you could go and pick up heroine and cocaine at your local drug store. Cocaine was one of the ingredients in Coca-Cola

I know all about this, you used to be able to order morphine out of the Sears catalogue. Some drugs were legal back then, but then again so was slavery and beating your wife. Some things must change with the times.

The modern American society is not the same as the pre-20th century American society in any way. Trying to compare the two is like comparing monkeys and rutebegas. We've changed in so many ways on so many levels that we probably could never, or should ever go back to that.

[Wuducynn]

Riiiight, the "oh things and folk were different back then so we could never go back to a freer society" argument, speaking of things heard before. The only thing different nowadays is our technology and a giant, nanny-state of a government that is used by special interest groups and politicians who think they know whats best for everyone else to enforce how they think everyone else should behave and the big one being the war on drugs.
The government LOVES the war on drugs because it gives it a chance to grow and the bureacrats get to make even more money off the populace. The Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves so fast you could hook up a power station to their graves and power the entire country for years, oh and the government would tax that too.

[Jimmy]

Making them legal means you're opening up the market to them, where they would be safer. They could be sold anywhere and your local drug store would have a lot more incentive to keep them safe than anyone on the black market would.

Ok, so they legalize cocaine tomorrow, here's what happens. The FDA either approves it after changing a few things about it, either subracting or adding ingredients and preservatives or they do not approve it and it can't be sold under any means.

Or the FDA approves it and it's packaged and shipped to stores with a nice little ingredients sticker on it. Now we have people cooking it in their homes on a greater level. Or people go to Sam's Club and buy it in bulk. We have drunk drivers now, I don't think it's a good idea to put cokeheads behind the wheel on a mass scale.

We live in a capitalist merchandising society right now. Do you seriosly want to see billboards for heroin, or see stock rise in the drug trade like it was the Dow? The entire idea terrifies me.

I would just like to take the time to point out that I am pro-legalization and decriminalization of cannibus. It has too many uses to be denied like it has been.

[Jimmy]

Also, Montana was dirt poor, and once he had money, did he stop? No, he was addicted and greedy, nothing to respect in any way.

I agree he wasn't a hero. If you noticed I didn't say he was. More of a sad case in point that the drug war ruins lives.

He had a choice. Life was hard working at that little restaurant place, but he made his choice and continued making it long after he could've stopped.

[Jimmy]

Riiiight, the "oh things and folk were different back then so we could never go back to a freer society" argument, speaking of things heard before. The only thing different nowadays is our technology and a giant, nanny-state of a government that is used by special interest groups and politicians who think they know whats best for everyone else to enforce how they think everyone else should behave and the big one being the war on drugs.
The government LOVES the war on drugs because it gives it a chance to grow and the bureacrats get to make even more money off the populace. The Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves so fast you could hook up a power station to their graves and power the entire country for years, oh and the government would tax that too.

You're preaching to the choir. Also don't forgot that people arrested for possession are given jail time and lose the right to vote so that new laws can't be created to their benefit because they wouldn't be able to vote anyway.

But times really have changed, freer government or not. You can't look at the average intelligence/education/height/weight/life span of the modern American and tell me that it was better for us all in 1860. There were so many more social boundaries and limitations to opportunities.

As for your government being all evil now, it's always been that way. They just didn't educate us as well back then so we didn't know. Watch "Gangs of New York" to see how bad it was. Read all about Tammeny Hall and how dead people were voting all the time. They didn't have to watch us cause we were too stupid for them to bother. They watch us now because they're afraid of what we could do, those of us not distracted by the media and our own greed, that is.

[Wuducynn]

Ok, so they legalize cocaine tomorrow, here's what happens. The FDA either approves it after changing a few things about it, either subracting or adding ingredients and preservatives or they do not approve it and it can't be sold under any means.
Or the FDA approves it and it's packaged and shipped to stores with a nice little ingredients sticker on it. Now we have people cooking it in their homes on a greater level. Or people go to Sam's Club and buy it in bulk. We have drunk drivers now, I don't think it's a good idea to put cokeheads behind the wheel on a mass scale.

Right, all of a sudden because its legal everyone is just going to go crazy and there will be a coke-head driving problem? The same thing with if Marijuana was legal suddenly everyone is just going to get so baked they're going to not go to work the next day by that logic?

We live in a capitalist merchandising society right now. Do you seriosly want to see billboards for heroin, or see stock rise in the drug trade like it was the Dow? The entire idea terrifies me.

I would just like to take the time to point out that I am pro-legalization and decriminalization of cannibus. It has too many uses to be denied like it has been.

You're assuming two things here A. The we actually live in a capitalist society, which we don't. We live an a government protected, corporatist society. Government protection of some businesses over others is not true capitalism.
B. The legalization of all drugs would cause everyone to want to abuse the drugs. This was the same rationale folk who were for prohibition of alcohol used before, during and after prohibition towards alcohol use. "Oh if it was made legal suddenly everyone would go crazy with it and society would collapse". The same rationale folk who were against pot used in the fifties and sixties.

[Wuducynn]

Also don't forgot that people arrested for possession are given jail time and lose the right to vote so that new laws can't be created to their benefit because they wouldn't be able to vote anyway.

And this will help out addicts how exactly?

But times really have changed, freer government or not. You can't look at the average intelligence/education/height/weight/life span of the modern American and tell me that it was better for us all in 1860. There were so many more social boundaries and limitations to opportunities.
As for your government being all evil now, it's always been that way. They just didn't educate us as well back then so we didn't know. Watch "Gangs of New York" to see how bad it was. Read all about Tammeny Hall and how dead people were voting all the time. They didn't have to watch us cause we were too stupid for them to bother. They watch us now because they're afraid of what we could do, those of us not distracted by the media and our own greed, that is.

I never said the government was "all evil now". I said it is a lot bigger. I agree it has always been evil. Indeed a lot of population has been dumbed down by being raised by the same government "education" which you're spouting most of its mantra and aren't even aware of it. That doesn't mean that it makes sense to continue to support it.

[Jimmy]

Right, all of a sudden because its legal everyone is just going to go crazy and there will be a coke-head driving problem? The same thing with if Marijuana was legal suddenly everyone is just going to get so baked they're going to not go to work the next day by that logic?

No I'm saying that if hard drugs were legalized more people would be prone to try them, get addicted and cause random forms of chaos. How many kids start drinking every year because everyone else they hang out with does too? Imagine the scale of "trying it out cause of friends" if it wasn't alcohol but heroin which would also be readily available en masse.

You're assuming two things here A. The we actually live in a capitalist society, which we don't. We live an a government protected, corporatist society. Government protection of some businesses over others is not true capitalism.
B. The legalization of all drugs would cause everyone to want to abuse the drugs. This was the same rationale folk who were for prohibition of alcohol used before, during and after prohibition towards alcohol use. "Oh if it was made legal suddenly everyone would go crazy with it and society would collapse". The same rationale folk who were against pot used in the fifties and sixties.

You're right about "A" but I still call it capitalist because for the most part, people work for what they get here. The wealthy and those that gain money through illegal means do not apply to this.

Yes I am assuming those things under "B.", because by and large logic dictates that these things would happen. A freaking new cell phone is released for 100's of dollars and people line around the block to get it. I saw a commercial for a video game console for only $399.00 last night and I turned to Rjeso and exclaimed, "You can get a car for that amount of money!" Yet people line up around the block for a PS3, or Tickle Me Elmo or whatever the crap is en vogue right now. If smack went in sale, people would line up arounf the block because it's burned into us, that if it's out there for sale, it must be bought, not all of us, but those that would is too great a number to ignore.