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    Today I was thinking generally about King's role in Song of Susannah.

    Did you like his appearance in the novel?

    Do you think King created Roland by writing about him or did Roland already exist and King just wrote about him?
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    Erin?? What is this "Awesome topic night"?

    Personally, like King says in the book he's not Gan, but sings Gan's song. So in the process of writing about Roland and his quest he gives force to it. But is definitely not a puppeteer, nor do I think of Gan as a puppeteer. There is always a chance that things go differently because of the Red King's will.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    I don't know what came over me tonight.
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    I like it a lot.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    Yeah, this is cool - I was online until midnight last night, so I wasn't expecting to have much to do when I came to the board this morning

    When I first read the books and got to King's role in them, it really jarred me at first. See, when I'm reading - it doesn't matter where I am, alone or with people, somewhere quiet, somewhere noisy - if I get into the story I'm simply not there at all while I'm reading. I totally get transported by a good book.

    But when SK first put himself in the tale it was as if I'd been thrown back into my chair and reality with a bump. There was too much realism in it, but not in a good way. Then, I kinda started to enjoy it because it started to make sense - plus the writing was still good, and King furthered the plot and gave it a new twist as a character, instead of being self ingratiating.

    Now, whenever I'm rereading, I can't imagine the book without King being in it.

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    I thought it was very cool of himself to included him self, expessily with all his faults

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    Expessily?
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    When I first read the books and got to King's role in them, it really jarred me at first. See, when I'm reading - it doesn't matter where I am, alone or with people, somewhere quiet, somewhere noisy - if I get into the story I'm simply not there at all while I'm reading. I totally get transported by a good book.
    Exacly what I was thinking. After rereading, I liked it a lot better, and it made sense in the end. But the first time I didn't like it. At all.



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    Thank you for expessing that Daghain.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    "People, especially children, aren't measured by their IQ. What's important about them is whether they're good or bad, and these children are bad." ~ Alan Bernard


    "You needn't die happy when your day comes, but you must die satisfied, for you have lived your life from beginning to end and ka is always served." ~ Roland Deschain

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    I'm in Daggers boat. At first I was a little put off by it but I believe King understands his fans are deep thinkers and will eventually figure that kind of thing out.

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    I was pretty excited to see King portrayed in the book. I had NO idea where it was going, but his first encounter with Roland was hilarious! And, as it progressed, it DID work.

    I know it took the series in a new direction, and for some, it killed their adventure. For me, it deepened it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeedfulKings View Post
    I was pretty excited to see King portrayed in the book. I had NO idea where it was going, but his first encounter with Roland was hilarious! And, as it progressed, it DID work.

    I know it took the series in a new direction, and for some, it killed their adventure. For me, it deepened it.
    This is exactly what I felt. Now Bill, get the hell out of my mind. Its deadly in there.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedfulKings View Post
    I was pretty excited to see King portrayed in the book. I had NO idea where it was going, but his first encounter with Roland was hilarious! And, as it progressed, it DID work.

    I know it took the series in a new direction, and for some, it killed their adventure. For me, it deepened it.
    This is exactly what I felt. Now Bill, get the hell out of my mind. Its deadly in there.
    It's quite cluttered too!!! You need some housekeeping up here!!!


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    Good idea.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    I didn't like it. For me, it was one of the things that bogged down the last few books. I didn't think it was done badly. I just think it shouldn't have been done.

    King really should have asked me before pulling that shit.

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    He asked me and I said "hell yeah, go ahead. Especially to piss off this guy Cozener"
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    I knew you were in on it you fuckwad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    Expessily?
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    Lol...King did manage to pull it off but I just didn't like the whole Deus Ex Machina concept here. Doesn't mean I'm not a deep thinker...am so!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinistar View Post
    Lol...King did manage to pull it off but I just didn't like the whole Deus Ex Machina concept here. Doesn't mean I'm not a deep thinker...am so!!!!!
    For me I like that the "deus ex machina" part went only so far, its even mentioned several times that King is the conduit but not Gan. I dig the concept and its cosmic implications within the saga.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    Right, It basiclly stated that King could only do so much, like CK said, only a minor role

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    Well I wouldn't say minor, I would more say that he is not actually creating these folk and events but "the pipe, not the water that flow through it" and to go a little farther, not the source of the water.
    "It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.

    "When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah

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    right, thats a better explaination, well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by All_Hail_The_Crimson_King View Post
    Well I wouldn't say minor, I would more say that he is not actually creating these folk and events but "the pipe, not the water that flow through it" and to go a little farther, not the source of the water.
    Reminds me of the great Carlos Santana quote that the music is the water and the audience is the plant, he is just the hose. I agree, I don't think King necessarily "created" anybody. He's a functionary of ka to help get people in the right place. What they do when they get there is freewill.

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