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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwritecode View Post
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    We touched on this a little bit in the best shows since 2000 thread, but we are truly in the golden age of TV since around the year 2000. I would say the last 2 or 3 years especially we have reached a pinnacle. There are so many shows it's impossible to keep track, especially with all the new streaming devices.

    A perfect example of this was last week. 3 new shows started last week. All 3 of them actually on cable as well and all three feature an outstanding pedigree of talent attached to each project. Escape at Dannemora, The Little Drummer Girl and Dirty John. Just look at these names:

    Escape at Dannemora: Benicio Del Toro, Patricia Arquette, Paul Dano, Ben Stiller (Directing)
    The Little Drummer Girl: Florence Pugh, Alexander Skarsgård, Michael Shannon, Chan-wook Park (Directing)
    Dirty John: Connie Britton, Eric Bana, Juno Temple, Julia Garner, Jean Smart

    It's just insane. All in one week too. As soon as I finish one show or dump one, 3 more pop up. They're like weeds. The saving grace is that many of them are limited series and the ones that aren't don't require an investment of more than 8 or 10 episodes.
    Like I mentioned in the other thread as well, I must have way different taste than many of the others here. I'm not really interested in any of those 3 shows you mentioned, yet I seem to have a constant stream of show to watch on any given night on my DVR.
    There's nothing wrong with that. Everyone has different taste.

    For the record, two of those shows I listed are essentially longform movies. We don't really call them TV movies anymore, but that's exactly what they are. The new term now is limited series, I suppose.
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    I love limited series. They're essentially 8 hour movies. A generous amount of time to tell a story, without having to invest 60 plus hours.
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    http://collider.com/daredevil-cancelled-season-4/
    In yet another shocking move for the streaming service, Netflix has cancelled the hit Marvel TV series Daredevil after three seasons. This comes on the heels of the not-super-surprising cancellation of Iron Fist—the least successful of the Marvel Netflix shows—which was then followed by the more surprising cancellation of Luke Cage. But with Netflix giving Daredevil the axe, I think it’s safe to say something more than ratings or views went into these decisions.

    Launched in 2015, Daredevil was the first of five Marvel Netflix series, which were intended as Marvel’s outlet to explore somewhat darker and grittier TV show adaptations of their comics characters as opposed to the broadcast shows like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter. Marvel TV went big on Daredevil, bringing in Drew Goddard (The Cabin in the Woods) to create, write, run, and direct the first season. But Goddard departed the show before production began when he was offered the opportunity to direct Sony’s Sinister Six movie, which ironically never came to fruition.

    Goddard laid out the story arc of the first season, which was overseen by Steven S. DeKnight. Then for Daredevil Season 2, Doug Petrie and Marco Ramirez took over as showrunners, introducing the character of The Punisher played by Jon Bernthal, who subsequently got his own spinoff series (which hasn’t been cancelled… yet). Daredevil Season 3 launched this past October to acclaim from fans and critics alike, and new showrunner Erik Oleson Tweeted on November 16th that he had just pitched Daredevil Season 4 to Netflix.

    Now, in a statement to Deadline, Netflix announced that Daredevil has been cancelled:

    “Marvel’s Daredevil will not return for a fourth season on Netflix. We are tremendously proud of the show’s last and final season and although it’s painful for the fans, we feel it best to close this chapter on a high note. We’re thankful to showrunner Erik Oleson, the show’s writers, stellar crew and incredible cast including Charlie Cox as Daredevil himself, and we’re grateful to the fans who have supported the show over the years. While the series on Netflix has ended, the three existing seasons will remain on the service for years to come, while the Daredevil character will live on in future projects for Marvel.”

    That last line is particularly eye-catching, and speaks to why Netflix may be cancelling these Marvel TV shows in the first place. In 2019, Disney is set to launch its proprietary streaming service Disney+, which we know will play host to new Marvel TV shows. So far, only a limited series starring Tom Hiddleston as Loki has been confirmed, but limited series revolving around Falcon and Winter Soldier, and potentially Scarlet Witch, have also been rumored. These shows would be run by Marvel Studios’ Kevin Feige, not Marvel TV’s Jeph Loeb, the latter of whom has overseen the development and execution of the Marvel Netflix shows.

    It’s possible that Marvel TV has its own plans for Disney+ separate from Feige’s limited series plans, but so far we haven’t heard what those plans might entail. Daredevil was by far the most popular Marvel Netflix show and it’s hard to imagine it was worthy of being cancelled from a pure viewership standpoint. It sounds like Marvel intends to resurrect the Daredevil character in some form in the near future, be it in the feature film Marvel Cinematic Universe or on Disney+. Whether that would involve Charlie Cox and the canon that’s been established in the Netflix series is unclear at the moment.

    The only Marvel Netflix shows that haven’t been cancelled at this point are Jessica Jones and The Punisher, but it feels like it’s only a matter of time. Jessica Jones Season 3 started filming this summer and The Punisher Season 2 wrapped filming this past August, so both are too far along at this point to axe entirely. But once those seasons debut in 2019, you can probably bet it’s the last we’ll see of those shows in their Netflix form.

    So it looks as though this marks the end of an era for a pretty ambitious experiment from Marvel TV. It wasn’t a complete success (see: Iron Fist Season 1 or The Defenders), but it was an admirable alternative to the big screen MCU and no doubt fans of these series are left wondering what’s next. Netflix has recently been culling content from its service that it doesn’t own outright (like American Vandal), so its cancellation of these Marvel shows isn’t necessarily a unique scenario. Though it’s still impossible to ignore the impending arrival of Disney+, and I imagine that had something to do with Netflix’s decision to put an end to Daredevil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mae View Post
    http://collider.com/daredevil-cancelled-season-4/
    In yet another shocking move for the streaming service, Netflix has cancelled the hit Marvel TV series Daredevil after three seasons. This comes on the heels of the not-super-surprising cancellation of Iron Fist—the least successful of the Marvel Netflix shows—which was then followed by the more surprising cancellation of Luke Cage. But with Netflix giving Daredevil the axe, I think it’s safe to say something more than ratings or views went into these decisions.

    Launched in 2015, Daredevil was the first of five Marvel Netflix series, which were intended as Marvel’s outlet to explore somewhat darker and grittier TV show adaptations of their comics characters as opposed to the broadcast shows like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter. Marvel TV went big on Daredevil, bringing in Drew Goddard (The Cabin in the Woods) to create, write, run, and direct the first season. But Goddard departed the show before production began when he was offered the opportunity to direct Sony’s Sinister Six movie, which ironically never came to fruition.

    Goddard laid out the story arc of the first season, which was overseen by Steven S. DeKnight. Then for Daredevil Season 2, Doug Petrie and Marco Ramirez took over as showrunners, introducing the character of The Punisher played by Jon Bernthal, who subsequently got his own spinoff series (which hasn’t been cancelled… yet). Daredevil Season 3 launched this past October to acclaim from fans and critics alike, and new showrunner Erik Oleson Tweeted on November 16th that he had just pitched Daredevil Season 4 to Netflix.

    Now, in a statement to Deadline, Netflix announced that Daredevil has been cancelled:

    “Marvel’s Daredevil will not return for a fourth season on Netflix. We are tremendously proud of the show’s last and final season and although it’s painful for the fans, we feel it best to close this chapter on a high note. We’re thankful to showrunner Erik Oleson, the show’s writers, stellar crew and incredible cast including Charlie Cox as Daredevil himself, and we’re grateful to the fans who have supported the show over the years. While the series on Netflix has ended, the three existing seasons will remain on the service for years to come, while the Daredevil character will live on in future projects for Marvel.”

    That last line is particularly eye-catching, and speaks to why Netflix may be cancelling these Marvel TV shows in the first place. In 2019, Disney is set to launch its proprietary streaming service Disney+, which we know will play host to new Marvel TV shows. So far, only a limited series starring Tom Hiddleston as Loki has been confirmed, but limited series revolving around Falcon and Winter Soldier, and potentially Scarlet Witch, have also been rumored. These shows would be run by Marvel Studios’ Kevin Feige, not Marvel TV’s Jeph Loeb, the latter of whom has overseen the development and execution of the Marvel Netflix shows.

    It’s possible that Marvel TV has its own plans for Disney+ separate from Feige’s limited series plans, but so far we haven’t heard what those plans might entail. Daredevil was by far the most popular Marvel Netflix show and it’s hard to imagine it was worthy of being cancelled from a pure viewership standpoint. It sounds like Marvel intends to resurrect the Daredevil character in some form in the near future, be it in the feature film Marvel Cinematic Universe or on Disney+. Whether that would involve Charlie Cox and the canon that’s been established in the Netflix series is unclear at the moment.

    The only Marvel Netflix shows that haven’t been cancelled at this point are Jessica Jones and The Punisher, but it feels like it’s only a matter of time. Jessica Jones Season 3 started filming this summer and The Punisher Season 2 wrapped filming this past August, so both are too far along at this point to axe entirely. But once those seasons debut in 2019, you can probably bet it’s the last we’ll see of those shows in their Netflix form.

    So it looks as though this marks the end of an era for a pretty ambitious experiment from Marvel TV. It wasn’t a complete success (see: Iron Fist Season 1 or The Defenders), but it was an admirable alternative to the big screen MCU and no doubt fans of these series are left wondering what’s next. Netflix has recently been culling content from its service that it doesn’t own outright (like American Vandal), so its cancellation of these Marvel shows isn’t necessarily a unique scenario. Though it’s still impossible to ignore the impending arrival of Disney+, and I imagine that had something to do with Netflix’s decision to put an end to Daredevil.
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    Pretty bummed about this but not surprised. Based on Disney’s iterations of Star Wars vs the original content, I can’t say I’m too excited about a potential future on Disney+.

    Especially DD and also Punisher, as neither are a good fit for the Disney brand. Oh well I’d rather they leave me wanting more than overstay their welcome

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    Yeah, Punisher and Disney just sounds wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mae View Post
    LOVED the first season. Can't wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeDealInLead View Post
    Yeah, Punisher and Disney just sounds wrong.
    Agreed. And I don't like what Disney did with the new Star Wars either. I feel all hope is lost.
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    Nightflyers
    I watched the first two episodes. I don't know. I wasn't wowed by it. I don't feel after two episodes that there really are any likable characters, and it is slow paced. I'll give it a whirl, but maybe George R R R R R R R Martin should push his efforts to finishing GOT. Just a thought.
    P.S. Expanse is way better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allasorte View Post
    Nightflyers
    I watched the first two episodes. I don't know. I wasn't wowed by it. I don't feel after two episodes that there really are any likable characters, and it is slow paced. I'll give it a whirl, but maybe George R R R R R R R Martin should push his efforts to finishing GOT. Just a thought.
    P.S. Expanse is way better.
    I don't plan on giving it a shot. Not to be that guy, but I don't have a whole lot of faith in SyFy shows. I'm with you though, Martin needs to focus. He also just wrote a book on the Targaryens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Servant View Post
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    Nightflyers
    I watched the first two episodes. I don't know. I wasn't wowed by it. I don't feel after two episodes that there really are any likable characters, and it is slow paced. I'll give it a whirl, but maybe George R R R R R R R Martin should push his efforts to finishing GOT. Just a thought.
    P.S. Expanse is way better.
    I don't plan on giving it a shot. Not to be that guy, but I don't have a whole lot of faith in SyFy shows. I'm with you though, Martin needs to focus. He also just wrote a book on the Targaryens.
    I heard about the book. Some kind of history book I believe. It looks enormous. He could have finished the 6th book. Sad days ahead .
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    Nightflyers
    I watched the first two episodes. I don't know. I wasn't wowed by it. I don't feel after two episodes that there really are any likable characters, and it is slow paced. I'll give it a whirl, but maybe George R R R R R R R Martin should push his efforts to finishing GOT. Just a thought.
    P.S. Expanse is way better.
    I don't plan on giving it a shot. Not to be that guy, but I don't have a whole lot of faith in SyFy shows. I'm with you though, Martin needs to focus. He also just wrote a book on the Targaryens.
    I heard about the book. Some kind of history book I believe. It looks enormous. He could have finished the 6th book. Sad days ahead .
    Yeah, I just keep telling myself that the longer it takes the more we want it and will be thankful once we have it in our hands.
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    LOVED the first season. Can't wait!
    Same here, Tommy. One of the best series in a long time. You won't have to wait too long for more Sabrina, though:


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    Quote Originally Posted by allasorte View Post
    Nightflyers
    I watched the first two episodes. I don't know. I wasn't wowed by it. I don't feel after two episodes that there really are any likable characters, and it is slow paced. I'll give it a whirl, but maybe George R R R R R R R Martin should push his efforts to finishing GOT. Just a thought.
    P.S. Expanse is way better.
    Yeah, I watched the first episode last night and wasn't very moved by it. It looked really good, but now I don't have any interest in watching more episodes.

    And "George R R R R R R R Martin"

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    The Golden Globes—Hollywood’s annual Oscar-adjacent celebration of the beginning of awards season—announced their nominees Thursday morning with a predictable showering of love on films like A Star Is Born, The Favourite, Green Book, and Vice. The television nominations held a few more surprises as the members of the 90-odd Hollywood Foreign Press Association did their best to hack through the thicket of peak TV. But in both mediums, the Globes’ ultimate consideration has always been superstardom, and most categories were thus laden with famous names and blockbuster hits.

    The Globes divide their awards into “comedy or musical” and drama, but a couple of ostensible musicals (A Star Is Born and Bohemian Rhapsody) competed as dramas, while some of the leading comedies (Vice, Green Book, and The Favourite) are centered on dark and dramatic themes. Either way, most of the expected Oscar contenders were featured in one category or another, with the biggest snubs being acclaimed indie dramas like First Reformed, box-office disappointments like First Man, and Steve McQueen’s heist thriller Widows.

    In television, the Globes largely fêted streaming television and cable heavyweights like FX and HBO. Top nominees included the final season of The Americans, the Ryan Murphy shows American Crime Story and Pose, Netflix’s recent hits Bodyguard and The Kominsky Method, and Amazon’s Homecoming and The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. The Globes often suffer from “shiny new toy” syndrome, lavishing nominations on new shows and forgetting past winners. Just as important is spotlighting big stars who can attend the January 6 ceremony, which will air on NBC at 8 p.m. EST and be hosted by Sandra Oh and Andy Samberg.

    In that regard, the TV categories were just as glitzy as the film ones. Julia Roberts, Jim Carrey, Michael Douglas, Benedict Cumberbatch, and Candice Bergen were among the television nominees, further proof that whatever wall once existed between the two mediums has all but vanished. Still, at the Globes, the movie awards are the main event, since they attempt to function as a preview for the coming Oscars (in television, the prime award remains the summer’s Emmy trophy).

    The big contenders, then, include Adam McKay’s Dick Cheney biopic Vice, which topped the field with six nominations despite still being embargoed for reviews; Bradley Cooper’s A Star Is Born, which has been a box-office sensation and cemented its Oscar-frontrunner status here; the dark royal comedy The Favourite, which nabbed acting nominations for all three of its female stars; and the crowd-pleasing race-relations comedy Green Book. Spike Lee’s BlacKkKlansman, a surprise summer hit, also had a good showing with four nominations, as did Disney’s upcoming Mary Poppins Returns.

    Alfonso Cuarón’s Roma, Netflix’s big awards player this year, was confined to the Foreign-Language Film category but also secured Best Director and Screenplay nominations. If Beale Street Could Talk, Barry Jenkins’s follow-up to the Oscar-winning Moonlight, was nominated for Best Picture, Best Screenplay, and Best Supporting Actress—a strong impression for a film that takes a subtler approach than some of the Globes’ big favorites. Perhaps the most baffling snub was of Sam Elliott, the dynamite supporting actor of A Star Is Born, who has been tipped for Oscar success. But the Globes have never synced up every category to the Academy Awards, and many other looming precursors—guild nominations, critics’ awards—will soon offer their own predictions.

    The full list of nominees:

    Best TV Drama
    The Americans (FX)
    Bodyguard (Netflix)
    Homecoming (Amazon)
    Killing Eve (BBC America)
    Pose (FX)

    Best Actor, TV Drama
    Jason Bateman, Ozark
    Stephan James, Homecoming
    Richard Madden, Bodyguard
    Billy Porter, Pose
    Matthew Rhys, The Americans

    Best Actress, TV Drama
    Caitriona Balfe, Outlander
    Elisabeth Moss, The Handmaid’s Tale
    Sandra Oh, Killing Eve
    Julia Roberts, Homecoming
    Keri Russell, The Americans

    Best TV Musical or Comedy
    Barry (HBO)
    The Good Place (NBC)
    Kidding (Showtime)
    The Kominsky Method (Netflix)
    The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (Amazon)

    Best Actor, TV Musical or Comedy
    Sacha Baron Cohen, Who Is America?
    Jim Carrey, Kidding
    Michael Douglas, The Kominsky Method
    Donald Glover, Atlanta
    Bill Hader, Barry

    Best Actress, TV Musical or Comedy
    Kristen Bell, The Good Place
    Candice Bergen, Murphy Brown
    Alison Brie, GLOW
    Rachel Brosnahan, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
    Debra Messing, Will & Grace

    Best TV Miniseries/Movie
    The Alienist (TNT)
    The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story (FX)
    Escape at Dannemora (Showtime)
    Sharp Objects (HBO)
    A Very English Scandal (Amazon)

    Best Actor, Miniseries/Movie
    Antonio Banderas, Genius: Picasso
    Daniel Brühl, The Alienist
    Darren Criss, The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story
    Benedict Cumberbatch, Patrick Melrose
    Hugh Grant, A Very English Scandal

    Best Actress, Miniseries/Movie
    Amy Adams, Sharp Objects
    Patricia Arquette, Escape at Dannemora
    Connie Britton, Dirty John
    Laura Dern, The Tale
    Regina King, Seven Seconds

    Best Supporting Actor, TV
    Alan Arkin, The Kominsky Method
    Kieran Culkin, Succession
    Édgar Ramírez, The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story
    Ben Whishaw, A Very English Scandal
    Henry Winkler, Barry

    Best Supporting Actress, TV
    Alex Borstein, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel
    Patricia Clarkson, Sharp Objects
    Penélope Cruz, The Assassination of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story
    Thandie Newton, Westworld
    Yvonne Strahovski, The Handmaid’s Tale

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    It always amazes me. I watch so many fucking shows across seemingly endless streaming platforms and four of the shows that get nominated are shows that I don't watch. One of them is one I've never even heard of (Pose) which is even weirder. Obviously, from my avatar, you can probably tell which show I will be rooting for.

    Also, like I said with the Emmys, I have no clue what people saw in The Assassination of Gianni Versace las year. A completely average show that was borderline unwatchable at times last year. They must love Murphy that much.
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    I loved the Versace thing - but I'm with you on The Americans (an incredible show).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Servant View Post
    It always amazes me. I watch so many fucking shows across seemingly endless streaming platforms and four of the shows that get nominated are shows that I don't watch. One of them is one I've never even heard of (Pose) which is even weirder. Obviously, from my avatar, you can probably tell which show I will be rooting for.

    Also, like I said with the Emmys, I have no clue what people saw in The Assassination of Gianni Versace las year. A completely average show that was borderline unwatchable at times last year. They must love Murphy that much.
    agreed. I will say I did not like Homecoming, much at all.
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    Isn't Pose a Ryan Murphy one? Or am I confusing it with something else? And I never did watch the last 1 or 2 episodes of Versace. Hated that show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heather19 View Post
    Isn't Pose a Ryan Murphy one? Or am I confusing it with something else? And I never did watch the last 1 or 2 episodes of Versace. Hated that show.

    Has anyone watched Dirty John yet? I'm really enjoying it so far.
    Yeah, I looked it up after and it's a Murphy show. That explains why it got nominated now.

    I've been watching Dirty John and enjoying it. I like a lot of the talent involved. Julia Garner is fantastic in Ozark and plays a completely different character. I also really love Juno Temple. She's an underrated actress. It's also great to see Eric Bana. I feel like he kind of just disappeared from movies.
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    Pose is a great show, it's definitely worthy of the praise. I have it as my #3 show of 2018 right after Sabrina and Killing Eve: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/...ies-since-2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by mae View Post
    Pose is a great show, it's definitely worthy of the praise. I have it as my #3 show of 2018 right after Sabrina and Killing Eve: http://www.thedarktower.org/palaver/...ies-since-2000
    Pose is an excellent show. I also loved Versace though some folks seem to really hate it here.

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