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    Default Lawsuit charges King with plagiarism (Duma Key)

    Someone opened a complain to Stephen King regarding plaggiarism.
    Apparently about 60+ things from Duma Key would look like Ron Marquardt's"Keller's Den" book, published in 2002.

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    Of all the things to plagiarize....

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    Interesting....unwinnable, of course, but some of the similarities aren't totally out of the blue. I could see his point, even though I don't "Keller" (or "Duma") was exactly a groundbreaking plot.

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    Quite a few similarities there.

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    Pure and utter rubbish. Obviously King wasn't the first person to write about someone who after a cathartic event (The Dead Zone) gains an ability that is "supernatural". I am moving this (reluctantly-It's not my job to delete what is public) to The Oracle. The lawsuit will undoubtedly plod on for years, but hopefully this thread will die much sooner.
    Thanks to Herbertwest for alerting us.
    At least the Plaintiff isn't quite the psycho as the person accusing King of murdering John Lennon.

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    Who's this guy anyway? There's not even a Wikipedia page. Nothing on Amazon.

    And most of those are absolutely surface similarities. Bullshit. As in:

    Both novels use the word “cavalry” as being rescued from the intruder when someone else shows up
    What. The. Fuck?

    I think I missed the one where both novels use the word "the" multiple times, often at the beginning of sentences!

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    Things are similar, yeah, but a person saying they wouldn't notice if the smoke detector went off is NOT the same as someone actually not noticing the rooms around them filling with smoke. Yeah, lots of similarities, but nothing directly stolen. This is a publicity thing, has to be. So dumb.
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    It's a shame that King is going to have to spend money on lawyers, etc. to defend himself against such a frivolous suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo View Post
    Who's this guy anyway? There's not even a Wikipedia page. Nothing on Amazon.
    Pardon, here's his magnum opus on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1591291011 - looks to be one of those self-published deals, with reviews likely by him, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhanic View Post
    It's a shame that King is going to have to spend money on lawyers, etc. to defend himself against such a frivolous suit.

    John
    From what I gathered his publisher is getting sued, too, so if they're cool enough they might just let him share their lawyers.
    But yeah, it's just a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pablo View Post
    Who's this guy anyway? There's not even a Wikipedia page. Nothing on Amazon.
    Pardon, here's his magnum opus on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1591291011 - looks to be one of those self-published deals, with reviews likely by him, too.
    Three of them are from the same person.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-...stRecentReview

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    Similarities, yes. Plagarism? No way. Makes me wonder if this guy's in it for the publicity - thinking people will start buying his book just to compare it themselves.


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    SPARE ME! How ridiculous is this??
    In reference to other people looking at each of the main character’s paintings or drawings:
    In Keller’s Den (page 39), Martin asks Janet, “What do you think?”
    In Duma Key (page 73), Edgar asks Ilse, “What do you think?”
    In Duma Key (page 166), Edgar asks Jack, “What do you think?”

    In Keller’s Den (page 39), Janet asks Martin, “You did this?” and “When did you do this?”
    In Duma Key (Page 73), Ilse asks, “You really did these?” and “When did you do this?”
    In Duma Key (page 17), Dr. Karman asks Edgar, “You do this?”
    In Duma Key (page 256), Wireman asked Edgar, “When did you do this?”

    In Keller’s Den (page 39), Janet says, “It’s so God-damned good.”
    In Duma Key (page 17), Dr. Karman says, “This is pretty good.”
    In Duma Key (page 73), Ilse says, “They’re good. Maybe better than good.”

    In Keller’s Den (page 40), Martin asks “You really like it?”
    In Duma Key (page 88 ), Edgar asks “Do you like it?”
    ETA: Maybe the case will get thrown out of court because on page 5 item c, it notes SK's character "Edgar Freeman".


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    All these posts and no "You stole my story"

    For shame!
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    I'm just disappointed in the person who started the lawsuit. [shrugs] Pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeah Sure Whatever View Post
    All these posts and no "You stole my story"

    For shame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsvec View Post
    SPARE ME! How ridiculous is this??
    In reference to other people looking at each of the main character’s paintings or drawings:
    In Keller’s Den (page 39), Martin asks Janet, “What do you think?”
    In Duma Key (page 73), Edgar asks Ilse, “What do you think?”
    In Duma Key (page 166), Edgar asks Jack, “What do you think?”

    In Keller’s Den (page 39), Janet asks Martin, “You did this?” and “When did you do this?”
    In Duma Key (Page 73), Ilse asks, “You really did these?” and “When did you do this?”
    In Duma Key (page 17), Dr. Karman asks Edgar, “You do this?”
    In Duma Key (page 256), Wireman asked Edgar, “When did you do this?”

    In Keller’s Den (page 39), Janet says, “It’s so God-damned good.”
    In Duma Key (page 17), Dr. Karman says, “This is pretty good.”
    In Duma Key (page 73), Ilse says, “They’re good. Maybe better than good.”

    In Keller’s Den (page 40), Martin asks “You really like it?”
    In Duma Key (page 88 ), Edgar asks “Do you like it?”
    ETA: Maybe the case will get thrown out of court because on page 5 item c, it notes SK's character "Edgar Freeman".
    I liked these:

    Keller’s Den has Billy (pages 129, 130, 131, 132, 144).
    Duma Key has Bill (page 395).
    Keller’s Den has Joe Keller (many chapters).
    Duma Key has Joe (page 523).
    They are seriously trying to use the fact that a single (extremely common) name that appeared on a single page as evidence of plagiarism?

    Both novels reference the curse in the following comparison to a
    vampire:
    Keller’s Den -- “His sudden artistic impulses drew him to the
    canvas much in the way that a vampire is drawn to the
    uncontrollable urges that force his fangs into the necks of
    innocent victims. While stroking the brush across the canvas
    was satisfactory for one,
    Duma Key – “We’re talking about something far older and
    more monstrous. Hungry too. That much it does have in
    common with vampires. Only hungry for souls, not blood.
    (page 462).” The vampire reference here in Duma Key is more
    of a coerced association with the thoughts in Keller’s Den than
    it is corresponding into the story line in Duma Key. In other
    words, it’s out of place in Duma Key, but King liked this
    Keller’s Den excerpt well enough to squeeze it into Duma Key,
    particularly the part when King tries to contrast the Keller’s
    Den association to vampires that are hungry for blood. The
    hungry for souls, not blood part is comparable to the ancestry
    in Keller’s Den that is hungry for souls and “the taste of new
    blood to host his wretched soul” (Keller’s Den - page 145).
    Yea, because SK has never written about vampires before...

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    yes

    like one Soviet poet (allegedly) said once:

    I've written a poem about love. The topic is closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    yes

    like one Soviet poet (allegedly) said once:

    I've written a poem about love. The topic is closed.
    Great quote!! LOL

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    This is just mind-bogglingly stupid.

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    You can bet that sales of "Keller's Den" have risen, though.
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    This is sad. It's almost like the guy sat down and tried to find similarities to his own work.

    Keller's Den: "The", page 22
    Duma Key: "The", page 23

    The similarities speak for themselves!
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    Can't you just picture SK finishing Keller's Den and saying to himself, "Gee, I've never plagiarized before, but this is really tempting... I haven't read a book that good in all my decades as an exceptionally prolific and routinely best-selling author. Of course, if I get caught, it could hurt my reputation. Hm. Yeah, it's worth it!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathoftheturtle View Post
    Can't you just picture SK finishing Keller's Den and saying to himself, "Gee, I've never plagiarized before, but this is really tempting... I haven't read a book that good in all my decades as an exceptionally prolific and routinely best-selling author. Of course, if I get caught, it could hurt my reputation. Hm. Yeah, it's worth it!"
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    Just redonkulous.

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