Makes you wonder what other "touch" Alain might have been gifted with.
Makes you wonder what other "touch" Alain might have been gifted with.
Roland has no Twinners, he is special. Jack has no Twinners, he is special. Walter has many and can "flip" to them at will. Jack is also similar to Walter because Jack can "flip" to different levels of the tower. The difference is that Jack has no Twinner to flip opposite him. Talisman and Black House are my favorite DT connectors because of "flipping" and Twinners.
Hmm - Ok, goes to the same heart of these wizards being Legion - and the thing about Jack - he is singular as seen in The Talisman:
But I believe that when we left him at the end of Black House he could still just flip to the one "other" reality - The Territories - where Walter/ Marten/ Flagg can visit them all (maybe except The Territories?)For a moment all partitioned reality seemed to break down; he did not flip but seemed to fall through worlds - like a man crashing through the rotted floors of an ancient wooden tower. He might just go falling through a chain of realities forever. He was single natured - he had a place in all of the worlds - but he did not exist simultaneously in all of them - that was the difference. He was flickering through all of them, only for a millisecond and leaving a sound like a hand clap or a sonic boom behind as the air closed around the space he had been occupying.
And the idea of Walter being able to willingly flip to his alter ego's - regardless of where they may be would explain all of those personality differences...
Very nice MOnteGss!
This is true but doesn't change my argument. He can "flip" when he wants and we don't know that it is only to The Territories.
I think he can go where ever he has a Twinner. He is bound to Twinners.
You say true and I say thankya. The Jack Sawyer stories are, imo, the most important connector books.
But I believe that when we left him at the end of Black House he could still just flip to the one "other" reality - The Territories - [/QUOTE]He was single natured - he had a place in all of the worlds - but he did not exist simultaneously in all of them - that was the difference. He was flickering through all of them, only for a millisecond and leaving a sound like a hand clap or a sonic boom behind as the air closed around the space he had been occupying.
This is true but doesn't change my argument. He can "flip" when he wants and we don't know that it is only to The Territories.
I think that the quote I included shows that he not only CAN - but did. What I meant with the Black House reference is that he - at the time we left him - CHOSE not to.
I think he can go where ever he has a Twinner. He is bound to Twinners.
And I like this! But if he has a twinner in the Territories we haven't seen him yet (unless it was Reuel - who was "dim" according to the Wolfs.) And his twinners can also move between the worlds. The trick with that is that they can't be in the same world/ reality at the same moment. So while Walter may move into Flagg and Flagg may move into Marten - Marten must move to another world/ reality/ level of the Tower.
You say true and I say thankya. The Jack Sawyer stories are, imo, the most important connector books.[/QUOTE]
Along with The Stand - I'd agree!
Yes!!! This is just like what happens to the Twinners in The Talisman and applies to Flagg (etc) the same way.And I like this! But if he has a twinner in the Territories we haven't seen him yet (unless it was Reuel - who was "dim" according to the Wolfs.) And his twinners can also move between the worlds. The trick with that is that they can't be in the same world/ reality at the same moment. So while Walter may move into Flagg and Flagg may move into Marten - Marten must move to another world/ reality/ level of the Tower.
Walt, Flagg, Marten, etc are the "same person" but they are not; they are twinners.
I think The Stand is a good story and does connect to the Tower series but I believe the Jack stories offer us a greater understanding of the Tower and the DT saga. The Stand connections weren't, at least to me, all that important.Along with The Stand - I'd agree!The Jack Sawyer stories are, imo, the most important connector books.[/B]
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
I don't care what you were referring to you stupid, worthless piece of bumbler shit. Take your copy of the Talisman (hardcover preferred) and shove it up your ass and then hop around squeeling in agony for awhile, take pictures and post them all over the internet.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Please.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
He's got ya there, he did ask nicely
Alas...I only have the paperback edition.
That will work too.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Okay, bringing the thread back on topic for a moment..(sorry) if Monte shoved a hard or soft cover version of the Talisman up his ass and danced around squeeling in this world, does that mean his twinners would be doing the same in all the other worlds?
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
He would be using a hot branding iron, because thats how they write, on animal skins
No, it doesn't. Life paths are similar but they aren't copies of one another. Their actions aren't duplicated.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
A man who can split apart? Hmmm. Interesting thought.
More like one being with its facets actual individual entities..thats what I believe Walter had become over his thousand plus years of sorcery.
"It's his eyes, Roland thought. They were wide and terrible, the eyes of a dragon in human form" - Roland seeing the Crimson King for the first time.
"When the King comes and the Tower falls, sai, all such pretty things as yours will be broken. Then there will be darkness and nothing but the howl of Discordia and the cries of the can toi" - From Song of Susannah
Yes, I can see the reasoning behind this. MAkes sence to me
Yes, with your interpretation, I can see why you'd think The Talisman isn't such an integral book in the series. I still believe the concept of Twinners is closer to the truth of things but the idea of such a powerful being as you describe is pretty cool too.
So CK, kind of like Voldemort with his horcruxes?
Rereading Black House, I just got to the moment where Jack notices scar on Sophie's hand, identical to the one on Judy's hand, and thinks that, even if they were caused by different events, he is sure it happened at the same moment.
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When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)
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