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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Mattrick: Cervantes is a great writer, and ranks among the greatest, although who remembers anything by him besides Don Quixote? It's the same for me with directors, writers, or actors. One great movie, one great book, one great part is enough. Greatness is measured by what the top is like, not the average of the whole body of work. That's how it is for me. Thus, I consider Harper Lee a great writer; I really do.
    Yes, she is a great writer. But would you say she's the greatest? Great and greatest are two entirely different things.

    Babe Ruth is considered the great ball player ever because of how many years he played amazing. I know you probably don't know much about baseball but Ken Griffey Jr was THE player during the 90s. Then after injuries and average numbers, people question whether he is the greatest, because he was amazing then slowed to a crawl. You could say the same thing about many great directors today. They've put up amazing numbers, had career seasons (movies) but they could just as easily make Reindeer Games as their next movie. Or they could make the next Citizen Kane or Mr. Smith goes to Washington.

    I agree one work is all you need to be remembered as great. But to be the greatest you have to do it for sometime.
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    I wouldn't deny her - or Cervantes - entering such a contest on any level.

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    I agree with Pam and Jean here, Mattrick. Greatness is not a matter of quantity, it's about quality through and through.

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    I do agree with Mattrick that for a director with a short filmography to be in a poll with an established maestro - quantity must rule over quality. Such as in the case of Spielberg vs. Nolan. Both great directors. But Spielberg wins hands down because he's him. In this case here, it's not so clear-cut. Both deserve to be here, Dol Toro perhaps moreso than Jackson, but any of them do pale in comparison to Hitchcock, Kubrick, Spielberg, etc.

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    Sorry for the baseball references (don't know where they are even coming from) but anyone can swing a bat and hit a homerun once, even hit it out of the stadium. But in my opinion, they have to be able to do it again and again to be considered one of the greatest. Del Toro more specifically than Jackson, has to make some movies other than the two you mentioned that aren't hellboy and blade II (which was just awful) for me, personally, to consider it.

    And you also assumed at the beginning I inferred neither of these guys were great. I meant that they are not in the running to be the greatest director of all time in my eyes and I'm sure a lot of people would share that view point and a lot would share yours. In the end it's all subjective. But I tend to look at the greatest as the person who has accomplished the most. When determining the greatest you have to look at everything they have done. The good and the bad. Why else do we have so many topics where it comes down to the amount of movies these directors have made that the people love?

    It's kind of like how people couldn't believe Darabont was leading Scorcese, all because of the one great movie he made. Is Darabont one of the greatest directors of all time? I certainly don't think so. People couldn't believe it because scorcese has the track record, Darabont doesn't. In this contest track record will beat a gem any day. At least, that is what has been shown. Though, notoriety has played a part as well. I personally think any artists, athelete...anything in which you can measure greatness...are only as great as long as they allow themselves to be. Cevevantes wrote several books after Don Quixote, but if people only remember Don Quixote...how great was he? If everything else he did is all but forgotten about. You go past your prime, that is all people will remember. Heck, how long did Stephen King have to deal with 'yeah, but it wasn't as good as the stand'. You set that bar that high that early, bad things can happen.

    You go out on top, you go out as a great. You keep at it until people don't care anymore...how great are you? Like these old bands from the 60's and 70's and 80's who were great and now are washed up and still try to stay with it. This is why I consider Paul McCartney to be one of the greatest musician of all time...guy has stayed relevent and making good music for 40 years.

    Greatness is reletive and utterly comparable and in the end, the one who was greatest longer will win.

    Now I'm ranting because I am tired lol All this I think was just because something I said was taken slightly out of context or meaning or whatever. Del Toro is a great director and even a great producer. But as for being considered one of the greatest, time will tell.
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    Pablo - I don't see it that way, although I understand your reasoning.

    To me it's a matter of the director's perception of a film and then ultimately how they translate their idea to film. If you like the feel of how they've achieved it I don't think they need do it again and again for you to be able to say, "This person has talent."

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    Nobody's denying they're talented. But in a poll for greatest director of all time there are obvious greater candidates.

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    We're not arguing over whether or not the director is talented. We're arguing over how many ways they can show their talent and how it factors into the decision. No one would argue that Da Vinci was talented but he had so many facets for his talent. With every movie/book/song/sympony etc you write, it removes talent from you. Some people only have enough for a couple, some have enough for twenty or even more.

    It's much easier for us to judge someone who is dead/retired or almost retired on thier greatness because we've seen what they can do and how long they can keep it up. Del Toro has lots of talent but what he has more of than talent is potential. He's got the potential to keep improving. He's the potential to remain as good as he is or the potential to start making utter crap. I don't know what he is capable of yet for the rest of his career, none of us do. I've got two words and a letter for you - M. Night Shyamalan. His name used to mean 'omg good to great movie' now it means 'why am I watching this'. If he stopped making movies after The Sixth Sense, he could be considered great because it was a great movie. Now, the word great and shyamalan are legally not allowed to be in the same sentence I think.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo View Post
    <...>quantity must rule over quality. Such as in the case of Spielberg vs. Nolan. <...>
    This. Is. The Truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Mattrick: Cervantes is a great writer, and ranks among the greatest, although who remembers anything by him besides Don Quixote? It's the same for me with directors, writers, or actors. One great movie, one great book, one great part is enough. Greatness is measured by what the top is like, not the average of the whole body of work. That's how it is for me. Thus, I consider Harper Lee a great writer; I really do.
    And this is why I'm obsessed with Edgar Wright, guys!


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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo View Post
    Nobody's denying they're talented. But in a poll for greatest director of all time there are obvious greater candidates.
    See, that's just the thing , this isn't a 'greatest of all time' anything. I purposely named this tournament The Greatest Director Tournament and left out the 'all time bit' so that we could just focus on the directors that were nominated, the greatest director from this group of individuals.
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    Guillermo del Toro's probably my favorite director at the moment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by feverishparade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pablo View Post
    Nobody's denying they're talented. But in a poll for greatest director of all time there are obvious greater candidates.
    See, that's just the thing , this isn't a 'greatest of all time' anything. I purposely named this tournament The Greatest Director Tournament and left out the 'all time bit' so that we could just focus on the directors that were nominated, the greatest director from this group of individuals.
    All time is just a nice way to end it. Greatest is still a definitive term. All time is not required.
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    how about "greatest in the eyes of us voting here"?

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    If that helps you sleep better at night, sure, by all means !
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    a vote FOR Del Toro and one AGAINST Jackson.
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    that's what bears like to hear

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    Guillermo Del Toro advances !
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    definitely

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    Well, two thirds of us are agreed, at least, obviously. Good news, anyway.

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    Del Toro advances !
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