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    So, shall we undertake such a tournament, even with the currently ongoing Constant Reader Awards and the about to be finished Top 100 Novels project? I wouldn't be able to conduct it and the CRAs together, but would love to participate. I say we nominate 128 movies we feel are the scariest and/or best and then randomize them, put into brackets, and vote until one one remains.

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    I'm more than happy to help out in any way that I can.

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    do it! do it!!!!!!!!! bears love all this nominating-voting fuss!!!!!!!!

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    I'm all for it! I'm more than willing to help out.
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    Would 72 entries suffice for this tournament?

    Planning on using the same layout as the other tournaments I've hosted.

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    Also, just making sure that we're set on this being for the 'best' horror movie, correct?

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    Phantasm V is official!
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    And the competition has begun!

    Best Horror Movie Tournament-Nominations
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    Jacob’s Ladder Discussion

    Spoilers! ... Spoilers! ... Spoilers! ... Spoilers! ... Spoilers! ...

    DO NOT READ if you have not seen the movie!

    This is a companion piece to my spoiler-free review posted here (it's post #303--I'm not sure how to link to one specific post)

    Spoiler:
    I almost didn't watch this movie. I had read a review that was not kind. But my roommate at grad school recommended it, so I went ahead. I’m glad I did because I think this is a tremendously effective film.

    The movie works for me because it is so much more than the “gimmick” or the reveal at the end. If that’s all there was to it, it would just have been a fading blip on my radar screen. Like a formula whodunit where, after you know the culprit, there’s not much replay value.

    Jacob’s Ladder has a lot of replay value.

    Of course if you’ve seen the film you know that the entirety of the movie, save the very last scene, is a end-of-life scenario playing out in Jacob’s mind as he lays dying in Vietnam. He never did make it back home. The whole film is an exercise in “what never happened.” Ironically, the “flashbacks” the movie shows of him injured back in Vietnam is the real time up until his death in the EVAC tent.

    So, what to make of the meat of the movie? In my opinion, it is the attempts of a dying man to 1) come to terms with his life, and 2) try to make some sort of sense out of something so senseless.

    I enjoyed watching the movie again and picking up on the “tells” and foreshadows director Lyne throws in. The first scene of Jacob on the subway shows him looking at a sign that says “Hell” in big red letters. He tries to exit the subway system, only to find all the exits blocked. If you note, all the exits (which lead upward toward light) have a sign next to them that says “Ecstasy.” So close and yet so far for Jacob.

    There are many other interesting tidbits. The palm reader reads his lifeline and tell Jacob “according to this, you’re already dead.” And of course, after his Dantean descent into the hell of the hospital corridor (a scene that will forever stay with me), the “Doctor” tells him that the reason Jacob is there is because he, indeed, is already dead. It is a testament to the director that he is able to focus the viewer on Jacob’s insistence that he is very much alive and determined to stay that way, rather than tip the movie’s hand of what is really happening.

    In my opinion, the character of his girlfriend Jezzie (actually, Jezebel) serves to keep him distracted from coming to his final peace. She vacillates from being supportive of him to being a part of his demonic torment. (Who can forget the demonic orgiastic coupling, and the scene where she transforms right in front of him?)

    The character of Louie (the chiropractor) is wonderful. He is presented as a sort of Christ-figure (Jacob even describes him as “an angel.”). Louie is typically shown with light from behind and above, giving him that heavenly tint, and he is full of sage advice for poor Jacob. The “savior” aspect is made explicit when Louie literally picks through the hospital and rescues Jacob.

    Louie’s final words to Jacob are the key to explaining why Jacob has been tormented by these demons. “The part of you that burns in Hell is the part of you that won’t let go of your life. Your memories; your attachments…If you’re frightened of dying, and you’re holding on, you’ll see devils tearing your life away. But if you’ve made your peace, then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth.”

    It was a nice touch having his dead son be the one to finally take him home at the end, so to speak.

    You’ll notice that I haven’t said anything about the “drug experiment” part of the film, and the character of “The Chemist.” This is where I might have a different take on things as some other viewers. The way I see it, there was no “Chemist” or drug testing at all. Jacob has just suffered a senseless mortal wound in a senseless situation in a senseless war. I believe this is his mind’s attempt to create a rationale. Remember, his conversation with The Chemist never happened. It was all made up in his mind. He never gets back with his friends to compare notes. They are not going through this with him. There is no government conspiracy.

    Note that the story The Chemist tells him is not supported by the scene of Jacob’s stabbing. The Chemist tells of this superpowerful drug that causes men to attack and tear each other apart in a blind rage. But look at the stabbing scene. Jacob is disoriented, stumbling around in the jungle (possibly even coming back from taking a shit), he hears a noise, and his friend comes out of the bush and bayonettes him. Not in a blind rage, but in confusion and horror at what he has done. The friend looks scared and pathetic, and Jacob goes down with a puzzled look on his face. Puzzled at how something so horrible has happened with no rhyme or reason. There is no rage, no “ladder.”

    That’s why I think Jacob’s mind creates the drug story. To try to rationalize. People always look for a “reason” for an unexpected death. Why did my child die? Why did my wife get cancer? Why did my baby have a birth defect? It must have been something the government did. Or society. Or God. These. Things. Don’t. Just. Happen.

    But sometimes they just do. A simple case of mistaken identity and a nervous trigger finger in a confusing situation, and a life is taken. Jacob had a hell of a time accepting that, and his mind played it out in the only way it could in order to come to a final meaning or resolution.

    That’s why the very very end of the movie leaves me a bit cold--where Lyne inserts a placard about Vietnam drug experiments or something. I don’t see the point in that. The movie can only be interpreted that there was never any drug “ladder” experiment at all, so that placard (to me) compromises the ending somewhat. (I just turn off the movie before that final text )

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    thank you for this essay! It was wonderful reading it and going through the movie again. I think I'll re-watch it some time soon. And I totally agree about the ending; I just shrugged that bit off and immediately forgot about it; for me, it's not the part of the film, but more like a director's comment, a thing which may or may not be taken into consideration at all. What needed to be said is said in the film.

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    Jean! Cold Fish should be in my mailbox by tomorrow!

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    Jacob’s Ladder Discussion

    Spoilers! ... Spoilers! ... Spoilers! ... Spoilers! ... Spoilers! ...

    DO NOT READ if you have not seen the movie!

    This is a companion piece to my spoiler-free review posted here (it's post #303--I'm not sure how to link to one specific post)

    Spoiler:
    I almost didn't watch this movie. I had read a review that was not kind. But my roommate at grad school recommended it, so I went ahead. I’m glad I did because I think this is a tremendously effective film.

    The movie works for me because it is so much more than the “gimmick” or the reveal at the end. If that’s all there was to it, it would just have been a fading blip on my radar screen. Like a formula whodunit where, after you know the culprit, there’s not much replay value.

    Jacob’s Ladder has a lot of replay value.

    Of course if you’ve seen the film you know that the entirety of the movie, save the very last scene, is a end-of-life scenario playing out in Jacob’s mind as he lays dying in Vietnam. He never did make it back home. The whole film is an exercise in “what never happened.” Ironically, the “flashbacks” the movie shows of him injured back in Vietnam is the real time up until his death in the EVAC tent.

    So, what to make of the meat of the movie? In my opinion, it is the attempts of a dying man to 1) come to terms with his life, and 2) try to make some sort of sense out of something so senseless.

    I enjoyed watching the movie again and picking up on the “tells” and foreshadows director Lyne throws in. The first scene of Jacob on the subway shows him looking at a sign that says “Hell” in big red letters. He tries to exit the subway system, only to find all the exits blocked. If you note, all the exits (which lead upward toward light) have a sign next to them that says “Ecstasy.” So close and yet so far for Jacob.

    There are many other interesting tidbits. The palm reader reads his lifeline and tell Jacob “according to this, you’re already dead.” And of course, after his Dantean descent into the hell of the hospital corridor (a scene that will forever stay with me), the “Doctor” tells him that the reason Jacob is there is because he, indeed, is already dead. It is a testament to the director that he is able to focus the viewer on Jacob’s insistence that he is very much alive and determined to stay that way, rather than tip the movie’s hand of what is really happening.

    In my opinion, the character of his girlfriend Jezzie (actually, Jezebel) serves to keep him distracted from coming to his final peace. She vacillates from being supportive of him to being a part of his demonic torment. (Who can forget the demonic orgiastic coupling, and the scene where she transforms right in front of him?)

    The character of Louie (the chiropractor) is wonderful. He is presented as a sort of Christ-figure (Jacob even describes him as “an angel.”). Louie is typically shown with light from behind and above, giving him that heavenly tint, and he is full of sage advice for poor Jacob. The “savior” aspect is made explicit when Louie literally picks through the hospital and rescues Jacob.

    Louie’s final words to Jacob are the key to explaining why Jacob has been tormented by these demons. “The part of you that burns in Hell is the part of you that won’t let go of your life. Your memories; your attachments…If you’re frightened of dying, and you’re holding on, you’ll see devils tearing your life away. But if you’ve made your peace, then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth.”

    It was a nice touch having his dead son be the one to finally take him home at the end, so to speak.

    You’ll notice that I haven’t said anything about the “drug experiment” part of the film, and the character of “The Chemist.” This is where I might have a different take on things as some other viewers. The way I see it, there was no “Chemist” or drug testing at all. Jacob has just suffered a senseless mortal wound in a senseless situation in a senseless war. I believe this is his mind’s attempt to create a rationale. Remember, his conversation with The Chemist never happened. It was all made up in his mind. He never gets back with his friends to compare notes. They are not going through this with him. There is no government conspiracy.

    Note that the story The Chemist tells him is not supported by the scene of Jacob’s stabbing. The Chemist tells of this superpowerful drug that causes men to attack and tear each other apart in a blind rage. But look at the stabbing scene. Jacob is disoriented, stumbling around in the jungle (possibly even coming back from taking a shit), he hears a noise, and his friend comes out of the bush and bayonettes him. Not in a blind rage, but in confusion and horror at what he has done. The friend looks scared and pathetic, and Jacob goes down with a puzzled look on his face. Puzzled at how something so horrible has happened with no rhyme or reason. There is no rage, no “ladder.”

    That’s why I think Jacob’s mind creates the drug story. To try to rationalize. People always look for a “reason” for an unexpected death. Why did my child die? Why did my wife get cancer? Why did my baby have a birth defect? It must have been something the government did. Or society. Or God. These. Things. Don’t. Just. Happen.

    But sometimes they just do. A simple case of mistaken identity and a nervous trigger finger in a confusing situation, and a life is taken. Jacob had a hell of a time accepting that, and his mind played it out in the only way it could in order to come to a final meaning or resolution.

    That’s why the very very end of the movie leaves me a bit cold--where Lyne inserts a placard about Vietnam drug experiments or something. I don’t see the point in that. The movie can only be interpreted that there was never any drug “ladder” experiment at all, so that placard (to me) compromises the ending somewhat. (I just turn off the movie before that final text )
    I thought I had seen this movie and didn’t like it but after looking it up, I guess I haven’t.

    Although for the life of me, I can’t remember the name of the movie I did watch. All this time I thought it was called Jacob’s Ladder but there is only one movie with that title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fernandito View Post
    Jean! Cold Fish should be in my mailbox by tomorrow!
    I so hope you'll like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
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    Jean! Cold Fish should be in my mailbox by tomorrow!
    I so hope you'll like it!
    Ha! Mine arrived today! But I might not be able to watch it until Friday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    thank you for this essay! It was wonderful reading it and going through the movie again. I think I'll re-watch it some time soon. And I totally agree about the ending; I just shrugged that bit off and immediately forgot about it; for me, it's not the part of the film, but more like a director's comment, a thing which may or may not be taken into consideration at all. What needed to be said is said in the film.
    I'm so glad you enjoyed my review and my thoughts/interpretation. This movie is great on a re-watch, when you are able to pick up on some of the foreshadowings and hints and such.

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    The Ninth Gate should be delivered to my house today. I've never seen it before.

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    Nice! I love that movie.
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    so do bears. Needless to say. Only it is by no means a horror movie.

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    Dave: bears have watched Inner Senses, and loved it. Can't see it as a horror movie, rather a drama/romance, and a very moving at that! Thank you!

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    It always confuses me when bears say "horror movie", I always wonder what exactly they mean by that...

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    basically, it's a film whose main purpose is to scare, and that doesn't have any other message, at least not any that can be taken seriously. It doesn't explore human existence, but exploits what has already been explored: the more skilfully, the better the film.

    Thus, The Tenant, Cold Fish, Pontypool, Dogtooth etc are not horror films, but The Others and El Orfanato are (both very, very good)

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    Sorry, I don't understand that distinction. If its main purpose is to scare and nothing else, then it's not even a movie it's schlocky crap. A film can be both about something while also being scary.

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    yes, and the films I listed above are all both scary and about something

    the ones listed in parentheses as examples of good horrors are essentially about nothing special; but they have wonderful stories and are beautifully made

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    Dave: bears have watched Inner Senses, and loved it. Can't see it as a horror movie, rather a drama/romance, and a very moving at that! Thank you!
    I'm glad you liked it. I was also touched by the story. I do think it had enough "scares" what with apparitions and creepiness and jump scenes to classify as some sort of horror, but certainly not like a slasher or monster flick. I think the overall point of the movie was the relationship, and the "horror" set that up; as opposed to a movie trying to horrify just throwing in a relationship to fill up screen time.

    Do you remember the scene where the Leslie Cheung character was on the top story of the building ready to jump? That's how Cheung committed suicide in real life soon after the movie was released. Jumped from the 27th floor of a building.

    Damn shame as he was such a great actor (and, from what I understand, pop star singer as well). Have you ever seen The Bride with White Hair?

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    no, I haven't! I might, although it doesn't sound like a film bears would normally watch, because I loved Cheung in Inner Senses. I only learned about his suicide after I watched the film and started reading the imdb comments (I always do after I watch a movie, mainly to marvel at the rising level of idiocy in the world; there are real gems there sometimes). It is really very sad, and I don't know if I could re-watch this scene any time soon. It was disturbing enough without this tragic - don't know what word to use - coincidence? don't know


    Ask not what bears can do for you, but what you can do for bears. (razz)
    When one is in agreement with bears one is always correct. (mae)

    bears are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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